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Discussion in 'The Footy Industry' started by EssendonNick, Sep 20, 2011.

Put it out there
  1. McCrann

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    Have the WAFC considered looking to introduce (perhaps in 5-6-8 years) a team from South Africa?

    Perhaps the South African team (At least initially) could play half its games in Cape Town and half in Port Elizabeth. (To reduce costs for the team). And the WAFL teams could fly over to play them - paid for by the WAFC (Or AFL?).

    Now that would be some real innovation on the part of the WAFC wouldn't it? Growing the game and potentially opening up a new market.

    Perhaps the WAFC and Freo/WCE could do a deal with the AFL that they get priority over any potential South African recruits for a period - 10 years perhaps?

    It would eliminate the bye in the WAFL for one thing wouldn't it?

    When the South African team started becoming more competitive (hopefully after 2-3 years) they could start flying over to Perth to play a few away games. And then perhaps you open up the possibilty of 2 South African teams - one in Cape Town & one in Port Elizabeth - depending of course on how the team has been received in each of these cities.

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  2. McCrann

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    Interesting points you make there - I take it you are suggesting you'd be more than happy for Collingwood to relocate to Tassie?

    I'm in agreement with you on that one - it would probably make more Victorians day than any other team relocating.
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    Hmm, sounds familiar don't it, the 80s are never a good time to be a Saints fan.
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    It has been a silly thread for a long, long while.

    None, but the AFL saw a significant reason to establish there, that they haven't seen in Tassie - part of that is they support & have always supported 3 or 4 league clubs.
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    No I dont want any Victorian teams sent here, or here to make money. I've said we want our own team. Vic teams can stay in Melbourne & play VFL if they cant cut it in the AFL.
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    I know that! I agree with the move to GWS. The point is I want a Tassie team in the AFL & that their are too many Melbourne teams in it already. We have two teams here next year just down to make money. Thats happened for too long, cost too much, does nothing for local footy etc etc etc
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    That's a long long and expensive away trip.
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    God no. There is not a less deserving club in the league, GWS included. Outside the silly "we have to have a team called Melbourne, we were the first club and the even more tenuous we invented the game" there is not a club the epitomises being there for legacy reasons than the senile inbred blue bloods who last held some relevence when Polio was in fashion.
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    Surely if we're going down the South Africa route you would have half the games/eventually 2 teams in Joburg/Cape Town.

    Putting a team in Cape Town and Port Elizabeth is akin to introducing two NZ teams at Queenstown and Invercargill.

    I think a better way would be have one team split its games between Cape Town/Port Elizabeth and another split between Joburg/Pretoria (they are effectively 1 city anyway*).



    *For those unaware Joburg and Pretoria are roughly 30 mins away by car. So it's like having Melbourne 30 mins from Canberra.
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    Do WAFL clubs have the money?

    I'd suggest not.
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    Completely agree. I think the AFL have dropped the ball by marketing the sport as AFL. As such, the FFA have stepped in and have taken the term 'football' and even 'Australian football' by stealth and now almost completely dominate it.

    Changing the name of the WAFL to AFLWA would just be another step of the death of Australian Football at the expense of the mighty "AFL".

    Completely agree with your suggestions too.

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    Forgive me, but what would it change, exactly???
    If it's same clubs, same set-up (not having dedicated WCE/Freo reserves etc).
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    "AFLWA" would suggest a subsidiary or derivative of the AFL, when in fact the WAFL goes back 125+ years and is an entirely different competition with its own history, etc. Name changes have already been tried twice since the introduction of the AFL: in 1990, and from 1997–2000. Both of these coincided with some of the worst attendances in history.
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    With all due respect, that's pretty ****ing stupid. Peel Thunder was introduced into the competition in 1997; 15 seasons later, and they haven't made a finals series yet. The club is based in a heavy football area.

    South Africa has virtually no support for a WAFL club. Even heavily subsidised, a team would struggle to beat most suburban clubs.
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    Interesting that the AFL's new Facebook timeline goes back to 'Founded' in 1858.
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    Bit like the founding of a New South Wales penal colony in the British claimed half of the continent in 1788 is celebrated as "Australia" Day.

    Most assume that it is called the "Australian Football League" because the competition has teams from more Australian states than it doesn't.

    Perhaps it is really The Australian Football League and Australian Football traditionally traces its origin back to 1858.

    Most don't think about these things whether it affects them or not.
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    But in no shape or form is the AFL the same as Australian Football, and Australian Football is not the AFL.

    As we all know the AFL was previously known as the VFL and was formed in 1897. It is just another example of it trying to rewrite history and become the only elite form of the game.
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    I hope you'll sign the next petition to move "Australia Day" from the ridiculous Jan 26th.

    If the AFL is not now "in some shape or form" the "same as Australian Football" what or who is? When the AFL assumed the former role of the Australasian Football Council/Australian National Football Council/Australian Football Council which was recognised as the national controlling body of the sport (it set the rules) could it not be said that the AFL is in fact something significantly in shape or form, "Australian Football". Unlike the federation of Australia where the members retained their sovereignty, the constituent members of the Football Council let the strongest member become not only the capital but also have a unitary sovereignty over the sport.

    Who else now has more if any say in the direction the game of Australian Football will take than the AFL?

    Those who think about it may nor like it, but it is very difficult to deny.
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    But that's exactly it, they assumed it. You might as well say the A-League started in the 1800s when the first game of Association Football was played in this country.
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    So you'll definitely vote to move Australia Day from the date of founding of a penal colony in NSW?

    However the problem with this discussion is that the AFL's Facebook site doesn't actually claim that the League was founded in 1858, but that Australian Football was devised (founded) in 1858. (The time-line even shows correctly the South Australian Football Association being formed before the Victorian Football Association in 1877.)

    Founded in 1858
    In 1857, Tom Wills, one of the founders of Australian Football, returned to Australia after schooling in England where he was football captain of Rugby School and a brilliant cricketer. Initially, he advocated the winter game of football as a way of keeping cricketers fit during off-season.

    The new game was devised by Wills, his cousin H.C.A. Harrison, W.J. Hammersley and J.B. Thompson.


    You could say that the game that became known as Australian Football had its origins in a football game with an original set of rules devised in Melbourne in 1858, because the good gentlemen mentioned above certainly didn't christen it "Australian Football" at the time.

    But that's getting into different territory.
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    didnt the AFL start in 1897?
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    Not quite. Started playing in 1897 but was 'started' (formed/created) in 1896. Australia 'started' in 1901 but there was relevant developmental history for both before that. Neither materialised out of nothing. Time-lines of each can legitimately contain events leading up to each one's creation.
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    Sorry, is there another elite body/league/form of the game that I've missed? Is there another history where the A (nee V) FL is not the elite form of the game?


    It is the clubs, players, fans and matches that make up the league & history. Not the name.
    They could call it the Australian Fiddlesticks Pennant for all I care.

    (What is now the) AFL is the elite league - bar maybe a decade or two where - arguably - the SANFL challenged, and another where (again arguably) the WAFL challenged, this has not changed for 120 years.

    They all have their place within that history; changing their name won't erase them.
    Putting AFL clubs in those states has done far more to the WAFL/SANFL competitions - taken more players, more fans away - than any name change could ever do.
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    Sorry, I meant the AFL has tried to rewrite history on a number of occasions to paint itself as the only elite form of the game at any stage of the sport's history.

    One example is the release of '100 Years of Australian Football' in print and on video in 1996, when the league was celebrating its centenary (yet the sport was 138 years old).

    Obviously the AFL is the sole elite form of the game now, however this has not been the case for a large proportion of the sport's history.
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    "100 years of the league which started in Victoria eventually overtaking all the other leagues then moved into other parts of the country" didn't fit on the spine label of the VHS.
    I'd be far more worried about the content than the title - which is, in itself, trivial.

    I do see the need for the distinction to be made between this league's history and the game's history - ie the AFL should not be writing the game's history, rather their own.

    That stuff should be a commission duty rather than AFL.