Movie Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24 release date)

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bourbons said:
Interesting how Supes in MoS always cops it for not having any regard for civilians during the conclusion of that movie but no-one gets bent out of shape about the Avengers doing their thing in NY. Not having a crack at anyone, just seems like a weird double standard.
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Avengers were fighting a huge, never ending army. And that army did most of the damage, not the Avengers themselves.

Supes was fighting one dude and he contributed to a lot of the damage.
 
bourbons said:
Interesting how Supes in MoS always cops it for not having any regard for civilians during the conclusion of that movie but no-one gets bent out of shape about the Avengers doing their thing in NY. Not having a crack at anyone, just seems like a weird double standard.
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It's not an apples v apples comparison though, because 'protecting the people' is one of Superman's core characteristics from his comic mythology. Can't compare The Avengers in this regard.

Caring about others is a value that's supposedly synonymous with Superman, hence the criticism MoS drew because it was quite uncharacteristic of him to do.

Having seen now where DC are taking this story, in holding him to account, it the Metropolis battle does make some sense at least. But at the time, it was very polarizing.
 
ManWithNoName said:
Avengers were fighting a huge, never ending army. And that army did most of the damage, not the Avengers themselves.

Supes was fighting one dude and he contributed to a lot of the damage.
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I would argue that Zod did most of the damage too with the world engine before Supes arrived. And alot of the problem comes down to the fact that they are basically gods rather than just a bunch of really really strong dudes (Avengers). Like what is he supposed to do, stop mid fight and work out whether or not to punch Zod depending on if there is anything behind him?

glenferry23 said:
It's not an apples v apples comparison though, because 'protecting the people' is one of Superman's core characteristics from his comic mythology. Can't compare The Avengers in this regard.

Caring about others is a value that's supposedly synonymous with Superman, hence the criticism MoS drew because it was quite uncharacteristic of him to do.

Having seen now where DC are taking this story, in holding him to account, it the Metropolis battle does make some sense at least. But at the time, it was very polarizing.
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I suppose so, lesser of 2 evils though - taking out a madman and copping some collateral damage vs not fighting the madman and letting him destory the planet.

I agree though I like the angle they're taking with BvS, exactly what would happen these days.
 
aussiedude said:
Turkish airlines have put this on its site.
http://www.tkairlines.com/gotham
http://www.tkairlines.com/metropolis

Looks like you can sign up to win a trip to the premiere of the movie but only open to people in the US.

It also has maps of Gotham and Metropolis. looks like they are real close there is a ferry between them.
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That's awesome!

Yeah, I think I recall them saying that Gotham and Metropolis (in this universe) would be sort of rival cities situated across from each other by a bay? From memory, Metropolis is seen as a bit more modern and affluent whilst Gotham is more blue collar and hinted as being 'rougher'.
 
bourbons said:
Interesting how Supes in MoS always cops it for not having any regard for civilians during the conclusion of that movie but no-one gets bent out of shape about the Avengers doing their thing in NY. Not having a crack at anyone, just seems like a weird double standard.
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Yeah I often wonder the same to be honest. I think the most 'damning' thing for MoS was the bit just before the Zod fight where he and Lois make out whilst standing amongst the rubble - where there could potentially be survivors trapped or injured people who could be helped. Also, after the fight, jumping straight to that scene where Superman and the General are talking in the dessert - there's no real reference back to the events in Metropolis. IMO, a couple lines here or there at least addressing what happened would have gone a long way.

I think The Avengers film (easily one of my favourite comic book movies) is given quite a bit of leeway too due to the fact it was the first time you had a cast of heroes all assembled. That movie has some biggish plot holes that often get overlooked haha.

I think because Superman is such an iconic figure, it can be hard to keep everyone happy. Superman returns was arguably the spiritual successor to the original films but was boring as heck. Maybe Snyder and Goyer took that on a bit too much and went overboard with the destruction (MoS often gets panned for excessive destruction). Maybe BvS will find a happy medium?

ManWithNoName said:
Avengers were fighting a huge, never ending army. And that army did most of the damage, not the Avengers themselves.

Supes was fighting one dude and he contributed to a lot of the damage.
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What about in Age of Ultron when Iron Man and his hulk buster suit take on the Hulk in the middle of that city? No way there was no civilians in that little fight IMO.

I think when you have 2 superpowered beings fighting in a dense urban setting, it's expected a lot of damage is going to happen.

Maybe if they showed a bit where Superman was trying to take the fight away from Metropolis, it might have helped smooth things over for some fans? The thing to remember here is Zod had just lost everything and swore to wipe out humanity so he may not have followed Superman and instead gone off to reap havoc.

glenferry23 said:
It's not an apples v apples comparison though, because 'protecting the people' is one of Superman's core characteristics from his comic mythology. Can't compare The Avengers in this regard.

Caring about others is a value that's supposedly synonymous with Superman, hence the criticism MoS drew because it was quite uncharacteristic of him to do.

Having seen now where DC are taking this story, in holding him to account, it the Metropolis battle does make some sense at least. But at the time, it was very polarizing.
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Probably worth mentioning that all of the Avengers were seasoned heroes come the final battle in New York. They were well versed in their abilities and fighting enemies. Superman was essentially still learning his powers and abilities (I reckon he'll still be learning and 'naive' to a degree in BvS).

Not sure if they planned it all along (probably not) but definitely agree that the destruction at the end of MoS at least now has more context thanks to the setting for BvS. It's probably not a bad way to set up the wider plot and introducing other characters to the universe IMO whilst addressing some of those criticisms from MoS.
 
glenferry23 said:
There was also a moment a few moments later when the he lifts the other kryptonian and hurls him towards a rail yard. Who knows how many (if any) people were present there.

Interspersed with these scenes are moments where he does save people - a soldier falling out of a tumbling helicopter for example. So there's a bit in each category.

Metropolis was a different story though. Carnage. Albeit, the majority of the destruction occurred before he arrived.
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id like to see more civilian deaths in DC movies
 
peternorth said:
thought a majoe city would have a casino
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Gotham has underground casinos run by the gangs like Falcone, Thorne, and Penguin has the Iceberg lounge but they might not have that in the series yet
 
NUFC Tiger said:
Yeah I often wonder the same to be honest. I think the most 'damning' thing for MoS was the bit just before the Zod fight where he and Lois make out whilst standing amongst the rubble - where there could potentially be survivors trapped or injured people who could be helped. Also, after the fight, jumping straight to that scene where Superman and the General are talking in the dessert - there's no real reference back to the events in Metropolis. IMO, a couple lines here or there at least addressing what happened would have gone a long way.

I think The Avengers film (easily one of my favourite comic book movies) is given quite a bit of leeway too due to the fact it was the first time you had a cast of heroes all assembled. That movie has some biggish plot holes that often get overlooked haha.

I think because Superman is such an iconic figure, it can be hard to keep everyone happy. Superman returns was arguably the spiritual successor to the original films but was boring as heck. Maybe Snyder and Goyer took that on a bit too much and went overboard with the destruction (MoS often gets panned for excessive destruction). Maybe BvS will find a happy medium?



What about in Age of Ultron when Iron Man and his hulk buster suit take on the Hulk in the middle of that city? No way there was no civilians in that little fight IMO.

I think when you have 2 superpowered beings fighting in a dense urban setting, it's expected a lot of damage is going to happen.

Maybe if they showed a bit where Superman was trying to take the fight away from Metropolis, it might have helped smooth things over for some fans? The thing to remember here is Zod had just lost everything and swore to wipe out humanity so he may not have followed Superman and instead gone off to reap havoc.



Probably worth mentioning that all of the Avengers were seasoned heroes come the final battle in New York. They were well versed in their abilities and fighting enemies. Superman was essentially still learning his powers and abilities (I reckon he'll still be learning and 'naive' to a degree in BvS).

Not sure if they planned it all along (probably not) but definitely agree that the destruction at the end of MoS at least now has more context thanks to the setting for BvS. It's probably not a bad way to set up the wider plot and introducing other characters to the universe IMO whilst addressing some of those criticisms from MoS.
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Well said buddy. Pretty much agree with everything you've posted. Pacing and editing of the final cut of MoS was poorly done at times.

The decision to have their first kiss in what was effectively ground zero was ridiculously bad. Almost non existent remorse for the potentially thousands killed, which was then exacerbated by having no aftermath of the battle. It was basically just smiled and giggles as Clark joined the Planet.

The other major issue I had with Snyder's pacing was how 'rushed' it felt with Clark taking the suit. Literally just moments after meeting his father and learning of his origin, he goes from "I have so many questions" to then 'becoming' Superman.

This was a scene I thought the Donner film did extremely well, allowing the passing of time and knowledge Clark/Kal-El needed before becoming the 'symbol'. Not suggesting the same should be repeated, given they are entirely different origin stories, but I felt more context was needed.

What made this scene even more ridiculous was that a perfectly fitted suit for Kal-El just happened to be there waiting on this 18,000+ year old ship crashed into the polar ice. I'm almost in denial that Goyer/Nolan wrote this scene.
 

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bourbons said:
I would argue that Zod did most of the damage too with the world engine before Supes arrived. And alot of the problem comes down to the fact that they are basically gods rather than just a bunch of really really strong dudes (Avengers). Like what is he supposed to do, stop mid fight and work out whether or not to punch Zod depending on if there is anything behind him?



I suppose so, lesser of 2 evils though - taking out a madman and copping some collateral damage vs not fighting the madman and letting him destory the planet.

I agree though I like the angle they're taking with BvS, exactly what would happen these days.
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You're correct in that respect, it was a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't for Superman. Zod mentioned earlier that there's only one way the battle ends - one of them has to die. So carnage was going to follow.

Like others here have mentioned before, I doubt whether DC had the foresight to plan this all the way along (ie, the ensuing film was to hold him accountable). If so, there wouldn't be a 3 year gap between the films.

I recall reading that Man Of Steel 2 was originally intended for early 2015, but after the mixed reaction to the film there must have been a revised plan taken. Still no official word on when or if that sequel will come.

I do hope that when the inevitable Batman stand alone film comes, that the rumours are true that Affleck will also direct. Don't want Snyder anywhere near that.

Affleck is a fantastic filmmaker.
 
Good points glen! I think Snyder is, overall, a good director (at least visually with his shots), but he can definitely struggle with the plot side of things. Was so pleased to hear WB & DC had gotten Affleck and Terrio involved as that will 'hopefully' address some of the questionably writing. Given how much volume of content BvS is likely to have (due to trying to set up the universe and laying a lot of ground work), I'm sure there will still be a few gripes here and there but I'm more confident now than before they were involved.

On Affleck (and Eisenberg to a lesser degree), in a video I saw a few days ago mentioned, it's very encouraging to see both actors willing to do promotional TV spots (for Turkish airlines). Normally, not many actors will get that involved but it shows how invested both actors are to their characters. I'm sure they both got paid to do the spots but still nice to see them willing to help promote the film in this way.
 
Oh my word! Not a bad thing to wake up to on a Friday morning! nice to see Wonder Woman speak!

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Rumours for a long time have suggested how much more hands on this Alfred is. Seems he's remotely piloting that Batplane. Nice.
 
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