Bishop's 2015 Draft Thread

[Bishop]

You have a new top 10?
Thoughts on Bailey Rice and SOSSOS stocks?

My only change probably would be Matheison up to St Kilda's pick and push Tucker/Partington down- I'll make changes to the Phantom Draft at the completion of the champs.

Rice had a good game yesterday in defence, got a good kick on him. I'd still keep where he is for the moment. At the end of the day, he probably falls between 25-45 just depends on the rest of his year.

Silvagni was what I expected of him, I don't 'rate' him- However he is a December born lad, so he's almost bottom aged. Would have liked more from him especially against WA (after his 6 goal haul), 40+ range for him.

 

[Bishop]

I think we'd take Nate Dennis over Mabior Chol and perhaps rookie Chol.

Will be interesting to see how the academy guys fall, whether they'll need to bid on all of them/will just take them in the draft.

I liked Chol today, Dennis is a good prospect for the ruck. Tasmania didn't have too many talls so can see why the taller players played well, so the game vs NSW will be better to gauge them from.

A guy like Matthew Flynn might dominate Dennis, but will be a good contest to see.

 

[eastfreo75]

Love what you have done.

I do think that teams with father/son's and academy picks will do some interesting trades to increase their points.

 

[Demon 16]

Great work.

Really like your post on the bidding system.

 

[HBF]

Great write up Bishop.

 

[Chuck01]

Post 2: Power rankings:

---Top talent---
1. Jacob Weitering- VC (195cm, 90kg)- Key position defender
2. Josh Schache- VC (199cm, 96kg)- Key position forward
3. Jacob Hopper- NSW/ACT (186cm, 82kg) Midfielder
4. Aaron Francis- SA (190cm, 86kg)- Utility/Key position defender
5. Callum Mills- NSW/ACT (186cm, 80kg) Midfielder
6. Darcy Parish- VC (181cm, 73kg) Small defender/ Midfielder
--- Top 10 talent---
7. Darcy Tucker- VC (184cm, 78kg) Small defender/ Midfielder
8. Matthew Kennedy- NSW/ACT (187cm, 82cm) Midfielder
9. Luke Partington- SA (182cm, 75kg) Midfielder
10.Rhys Mathieson- VC (185cm, 79kg) Midfielder
---Best 22---
11.Josh Dunkley- VC (189cm, 82kg) Midfielder
12.Ryan Clarke- VM (180cm, 77kg) Midfielder
13.Kieran Collins- VC (193cm, 94kg) Key position defender
14.Sam Weideman- VM (196cm, 91ckg) Key position forward
15.Jade Gresham- VM (177cm, 74kg) Midfielder
16.Riley Bonner- SA (191cm, 79kg) Utility
17.Ben Keays- QLD (185cm, 83kg) Small forward/ Midfielder
18.Ryan Burton- SA (191cm, 90kg) Medium forward
19.Charlie Curnow- VC (191cm, 95kg) Utility
20.Callum Ah Chee- WA (182cm, 71kg) Small forward/ Midfielder
21.Nick O’Kearney- VM (180cm, 71kg) Midfielder
22.Harley Balic- VM (186cm, 80kg) Small forward/ Midfielder
---Top 40---
23.Greg Clark- WA (193cm, 82kg)- Midfielder
24.Wayne Milera- SA (185cm, 75kg) Small forward/ Midfielder
25.Thomas Cole- VC (185cm, 76kg) Small defender/ Midfielder
26.Ben Crocker- VM (185cm, 81kg) Midfielder
27.Brayden Fiorini- VM (186cm, 76kg) Midfielder
28.Nash Holmes- VC (180cm, 74kg) Midfielder
29.Jordan Snadden- WA (190cm, 79kg) Midfielder
30.Hugh Haysman- SA (178cm, 72kg) Midfielder
31.Matthew Nunn- SA (181cm, 73kg) Midfielder
32.Matthew Allen- SA (193cm, 97kg) Key position forward/Midfielder
33.James Parsons- VM (189cm, 79kg) Midfielder
34.Will Snelling- SA (176cm, 75kg) Midfielder
35.Sam Skinner- VC (196cm, 97kg) Key position forward
36.Bailey Rice- VC (184cm, 81kg) Small defender/Midfielder
37.Nick Dodge- TAS (182cm, 80kg) Small forward/Midfielder
38.Blake Hardwick- VM (181cm, 78kg) Small Forward
39.Eric Hipwood- QLD (197cm, 82kg) Key position forward/defender
40.Brendan Dew- SA (181cm, 72kg) Midfielder
---Next 35 ---
41.Maris Olekalns- SA (182cm, 72kg) Midfielder
42.Corey Wagner- QLD (180cm, 71kg) Small defender/Midfielder
43.Theo Thompson- VM (186cm, 82kg) Midfielder
44.Jordan Dawson- SA (190cm, 82kg) Medium forward
45.Matthew Flynn- NSW/ACT (200cm, 99kg) Ruckman
46.Jadyn Brind- SA (181cm, 86kg) Small forward/Midfielder
47.Stephen Tahana- SA (183cm, 78kg) Small defender
48.Jake Sushames- TAS (185cm, 65kg) Small forward/Midfielder
49.Hisham Kerbatieh- VM (177cm, 77kg) Small forward
50.Mitchell Hibberd- TAS (191cm, 85kg) Midfielder
51.Harry McKay- VC (200cm, 82kg) Key position forward/Ruck
52.Thomas Cameron- VM (187cm, 70kg) Medium defender
53.Cameron Hewett- SA (189cm, 76kg) Midfielder
54.Jack Silvagni- VM (190cm, 81kg) Key position forward/Defender
55.Jack Agostino- SA (182cm, 77kg) Small defender
56.Dylan McDonald- NSW/ACT (183cm, 70kg) Midfielder
57.Alex Morgan- VM (180cm, 80kg) Small defender
58.Dylan Smith- WA (198cm, 81kg) Utility
59.Kade Stewart- WA (180cm, 70kg) Midfielder
60.John Shaw- WA (177cm, 75kg) Small Defender
61.Jack Agostino- SA (182cm, 77kg) Small defender
62.Nick Coughlan (195cm, 83kg) Key Position forward
63.Bryce Batty- VM (183cm, 80kg) Midfielder
64.Will Combe- SA (182cm, 78kg) Midfielder
65.Jordan Matera-VM (182cm, 82kg) Small forward
66.Yestin Eades- VC (183cm, 80kg) Small forward/Defender
67.Jock Cornell- NSW/ACT (186cm, 81kg) Small forward/midfielder
68.Connor West- QLD (184cm, 77kg) Midfielder
69.Kieran Lovell- TAS (174cm, 80kg) Midfielder
70.Keiran Agius- SA (189cm, 84kg) Utility
71.Dylan Atkins- VM (199cm, 88kg) Key position defender
72.Bruno Laguda-VM (185cm, 81kg) Midfielder
73.Jake Lovett-VC (182cm, 81kg) Small forward/Midfielder
74.Clint Hinchliffe- WA (179cm, 81kg) Midfielder
75.Mabior Chol- QLD (198cm, 79kg) Key Position forward
Others-
Vic Metro:
Kade Answerth (180cm, 79kg) Midfielder
Daniel Beddison (189cm, 80kg) Medium defender
Gus Borthwick (180cm, 80kg) Midfielder
Karl Brown (192cm, 90kg) Medium forward
David Cunningham (183cm, 79kg) Midfielder
James El Moussalli (186cm, 83kg) Midfielder
Jack Firns (194cm, 90kg) Key position defender
Daniel Foley (182cm, 79kg) Midfielder
Dan Houston (187cm, 83kg) Medium forward
Liam Jeffs (192cm, 78kg) Medium forward
Mark Kovacevic (204cm, 111kg) Ruckman
Tyrone Leonardis (182cm, 78kg) Small defender
Goy Lok (178cm, 82kg) Midfielder
Kieran Malone (185cm, 83kg) Small forward/Midfielder
Sam McLarty (195cm, 91kg) Key position forward
Callum Moore (193cm, 85kg) Midfielder
Nick Pavlou (174cm, 75kg) Small forward/midfielder
Fraser Pearce (186cm, 75kg) Midfielder
Matthew Perry (187cm, 73kg) Medium forward/midfielder
Tom Phillips (184cm, 74kg) Midfielder
Matthew Stillman (181cm, 78kg) Small defender/Midfielder
Andrew Tashevski-Beckwith (183cm, 83kg) Small defender
Harry Thompson (194cm, 90kg) Key position forward
Tom Wallis (182cm, 74kg) Midfielder
Jack Whitehead (191cm, 89kg) Medium defender
Tom Wilkinson (180cm, 80kg) Midfielder
Vic Country:
Daniel Capiron (189cm, 83kg) Midfielder
Thomas Glen (187cm, 72kg) Midfielder
Ryan Hearn (197cm, 90kg) Utility
Aidyn Johnson (184cm, 75kg) Midfielder
Joe Maishman (179cm, 75kg) Midfielder
Lockey McCartney (183cm, 78kg) Midfielder
David Mennen (186cm, 80kg) Midfielder
Gach Nyuon (198cm, 81kg) Ruckman
Will Sexton (175cm, 76kg) Small defender
Jamieson Sheahan (181cm, 80kg) Midfielder
Lachie Tardrew (182cm, 70kg) Midfielder
Tom Templeton (183cm, 88kg) Midfielder
WA:
Tom Bennett (184cm, 77kg) Midfielder
Jake Florenca (184cm, 78kg) Midfielder
Declan Mountford (183cm, 70kg) Midfielder
Levi Ridley (183cm, 74kg) Midfielder
Bailey Rogers (185cm, 80kg) Midfielder
Dylan Smith (198cm, 81kg) Utility
SA:
Peter Bampton (183cm, 83kg) Midfielder
Oleg Markov (188cm, 73kg) Medium forward/Midfielder
Isaya McKenzie (181cm, 73kg) Small forward/Midfielder
Andre Parella (203cm, 104kg) Ruckman
Kyle Presbury (182cm, 74kg) Midfielder
Mark Quinn (180cm, 72kg) Small forward/Midfielder
Tim Sullivan (199cm, 90kg) Ruckman
Luke Surman (196cm, 97kg) Utility
Harrison Westhoff (196cm, 85kg) Key position defender
Cameron Wildman (189cm, 79kg) Small defender/Midfielder
NSW/ACT:
Harvey Daniher (190cm, 85kg) Utility
Lachlan Hayres (182cm, 76kg) Small defender/Midfielder
Tyler Roos (185cm, 76kg) Small defender/Midfielder
TAS:
Jordan Hayden (185cm, 79kg) Midfielder
Mitchell Rainbird (186cm, 84kg) Small forward/Midfielder
Logan Reynolds (180cm, 68kg) Small defender
QLD:
Wylie Buzza (198cm, 97kg) Key position forward/Ruckman
Nate Dennis (201cm, 88kg) Utility/Ruckman
Reuben William (182cm, 74kg) Small Utility
NT:
Michael Hagan (177cm, 67kg) Small defender/ midfielder
Daniel Rioli (179cm, 65kg) Small forward/ midfielder

There seems to be a few father/son prospects that have shown very little, this kids need to earn it like all the other kids

 

[TerryWallet]

Excellent work bishop.

I have my head around the new system now that i see it in action.

 

[Barrels]

Like it, love the hard work, but don't see us passing on McKay if we could get him in the 3rd round!

 

[eagle eyed]

West Coast finishing 2nd! If we can get top 4 we'll be looking at possibly 4th otherwise mark us down for 6th and Ah Chee with our first rounder, unless it ends up at GWS in exchange for Coniglio!!!

 

[Bishop]

Like it, love the hard work, but don't see us passing on McKay if we could get him in the 3rd round!

I did all that before the recent round of champs mind you

I agree with you, he'll be up there. In saying that, I'm not sold- But I'll be a minority here: Speaking with a friend of mine who works at a certain AFL club, reckons he'll be pushing first round.

 

[Barrels]

I did all that before the recent round of champs mind you

I agree with you, he'll be up there. In saying that, I'm not sold- But I'll be a minority here: Speaking with a friend of mine who works at a certain AFL club, reckons he'll be pushing first round.

I heard the same, albeit most likely from a different source. You'd think Fremantle might be keen for example.

 

[potential]

You have a new top 10?
Thoughts on Bailey Rice and SOSSOS stocks?

Bishop can you give me a list of Metro players you feel will be in strong contention to get drafted or Rookied? They were very poor against WA last Friday and strong players like Clarke and Balic were very quiet, I think Metro need to have a big game against SA on Wednesday to bring some of them back on the radar of recruiters.

 

[Bishop]

Bishop can you give me a list of Metro players you feel will be in strong contention to get drafted or Rookied? They were very poor against WA last Friday and strong players like Clarke and Balic were very quiet, I think Metro need to have a big game against SA on Wednesday to bring some of them back on the radar of recruiters.

The recruiters would be looking at the TAC Cup games, not just the Metro U18 champs- players do get drafted that don't make the Vic Metro squads (mostly rookies)

The players with the best chance would be
Balic, R.Clarke, O'Kearney, Gresham, Weideman, Silvagni no doubt will be on lists next year.

The next 'batch' that you'd think will end up on AFL lists are

B.Crocker, Hardwick, T.Thompson, Fiorini, Parsons, Kerbatieh,

The others that appear in my "Power Rankings" have the chance to be drafted, yes Vic Metro might be weak overall- but they'll still have a decent representation overall.

I think they'll have a fair few rookie players and drafted players overall, I'd be thinking 20+, but it will depend on how many picks each club want to use.

 

[Procrastinator35]

The recruiters would be looking at the TAC Cup games, not just the Metro U18 champs- players do get drafted that don't make the Vic Metro squads (mostly rookies)

The players with the best chance would be
Balic, R.Clarke, O'Kearney, Gresham, Weideman, Silvagni no doubt will be on lists next year.

The next 'batch' that you'd think will end up on AFL lists are

B.Crocker, Hardwick, T.Thompson, Fiorini, Parsons, Kerbatieh,

The others that appear in my "Power Rankings" have the chance to be drafted, yes Vic Metro might be weak overall- but they'll still have a decent representation overall.

I think they'll have a fair few rookie players and drafted players overall, I'd be thinking 20+, but it will depend on how many picks each club want to use.

The percentage of TAC CUP kids taken as rookies each year is quite low, at around 20%....Usually it's between 10-12 out of approximately 60 selections

 

[Bishop]

The percentage of TAC CUP kids taken as rookies each year is quite low, at around 20%....Usually it's between 10-12 out of approximately 60 selections

That's true, but they are still well represented, when you take out those rookie drat players that have been in the AFL system (From 2014, McKernan, Ahmed Saad etc) about a 1/3 usually come from TAC Cup.

(Rookies are "generally" speculation picks)

Each club certainly rate players higher than others, Derek Hine is on record saying he prefers WAFL/SANFL players who have played senior footy rather than players who just play TAC Cup.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Great job, but you've got Agostino at 55 and 61 in the power rankings.

 

[Bishop]

Great job, but you've got Agostino at 55 and 61 in the power rankings.

Thanks mate, i knew I was bound to have a mistake!

 

[Bishop]

With the National Championships complete, I'll be working to re-adjust my Power Rankings as well as getting "small" profiles for the players in my first round of the Phantom Draft. It will be complete in the next fortnight!

 

[eastfreo75]

thanks again, keep up the good work.

 

[FreeAgent1]

Bish, great thread!

Thoughts on Dunkley and Rice as to highest rated f/s.

Thoughts on how the new system (r.e. f/s bidding, whether people overbid to force rivals to give more...) will be manipulated and whether it will affect their value?

Also they started the year looking like 30 picks apart, but I think they will be less than 10 now 15-25 ish.

 

[Bishop]

Bish, great thread!

Thoughts on Dunkley and Rice as to highest rated f/s.

Thoughts on how the new system (r.e. f/s bidding, whether people overbid to force rivals to give more...) will be manipulated and whether it will affect their value?

Also they started the year looking like 30 picks apart, but I think they will be less than 10 now 15-25 ish.

At this stage you'd think Dunkley is the best F/S prospect. Based on last year and his recent form (coming back from injury) he'll be close to a top 10 pick. Depending on whether he nominates/Sydney take him is another question- Wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't nominate, but we've got a while for that to play out. Rice played pretty well for Vic Country this year, you'd think he'll fall outside the first round, but yet again it will depend on bids and what club he picks.
Dunkley for me falls around pick 10-15
Rice for me would be 25-35

I don't think clubs would bid more to force rivals- You have to remember that there may be a chance a club doesn't match an offer (More likely on academy kids, rather than F/S mind you). If Geelong with Pick 10 put a bid on Jack Silvagni (Father/son at Carlton) as hard as it may be Carlton probably wouldn't match that bid due to it being "too" high for his value.

Richmond last year bid on Liam Dawson & Nth Melb bid on Jack Steele, so I still think clubs will adopt the same process only bidding on players that they value higher than others. I think everyone will be watching closely to see how it all plays out this year, even the clubs aren't sure!

 

[eth-dog]

I'd rip my hair out if Essendon went small first round again. We need young KPP's desperately.

 

[Bishop]

I'd rip my hair out if Essendon went small first round again. We need young KPP's desperately.

The Dons need a fair few players, but when you look at your spine
Hurley, Hooker

Daniher, Carlisle

It's not horrible- If Carlisle goes there is no doubt you do. But the talls in Essendon's range Weideman/McKay, they will need time, they aren't going to play for two years after they are drafted.

I'd be hoping Essendon try to go down the St Kilda path (from the last few drafts) to get as many picks as possible it would be favourable..

 

[gillo94]

At this stage you'd think Dunkley is the best F/S prospect. Based on last year and his recent form (coming back from injury) he'll be close to a top 10 pick. Depending on whether he nominates/Sydney take him is another question- Wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't nominate, but we've got a while for that to play out. Rice played pretty well for Vic Country this year, you'd think he'll fall outside the first round, but yet again it will depend on bids and what club he picks.
Dunkley for me falls around pick 10-15
Rice for me would be 25-35

I don't think clubs would bid more to force rivals- You have to remember that there may be a chance a club doesn't match an offer (More likely on academy kids, rather than F/S mind you). If Geelong with Pick 10 put a bid on Jack Silvagni (Father/son at Carlton) as hard as it may be Carlton probably wouldn't match that bid due to it being "too" high for his value.

Richmond last year bid on Liam Dawson & Nth Melb bid on Jack Steele, so I still think clubs will adopt the same process only bidding on players that they value higher than others. I think everyone will be watching closely to see how it all plays out this year, even the clubs aren't sure!

Bishop if Blues get pick 3 in the draft and Schache and Weitering are taken, who should CFC take at 3?

If Bombers, Saints & Melbourne finish with picks 4, 5 and 6. How would that order look in your opinion as still weighing up if Blues should try trade for another top pick

 

[potential]

The Dons need a fair few players, but when you look at your spine
Hurley, Hooker

Daniher, Carlisle

It's not horrible- If Carlisle goes there is no doubt you do. But the talls in Essendon's range Weideman/McKay, they will need time, they aren't going to play for two years after they are drafted.

I'd be hoping Essendon try to go down the St Kilda path (from the last few drafts) to get as many picks as possible it would be favourable..