Booing of Adam Goodes (revisited after our Apology Ceremony)

[ppoiter]

Many agree the booing should stop. The continued argument is over whether it is racially motivated and further to that wether if the statement scratch an aussie find a racist is true. Many latte sippers in here seem to agree with Goodes that Whites/Caucasions are inherently racist even though Goodes himself holds the same dna.

No one has said anything of the sort. And I'll have you know its either soy cappucino or long black

 

[regpies]

Hawthorn need to take some responsibility for this, they were the first team to start booing Goodes. After that it was always going to become a thing.

The next week he did the dance which then gave casual racists an excuse to boo him even more

 

[The Royal Sampler]

None of us had anything to do with the Holocaust so we should just ignore anyone who wants to ensure we remember the atrocities that were committed?

What about what Stalin did?

What about Uganda, Cambodia just ignore them on the basis "Hell I had nothing to do with it"

What is it that say about those who ignore history?

I'll withhold the sarcastic element as I have a great deal of respect for you as a poster.

My post was regarding misplaced responsibility and guilt.

Remember the s**t out of them. Learn from them. Never repeat them.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

="Shpeshal Ed, post: 39891389, member: 48858


What's pissing me off the most about all the bleeding hearts crying racism is that they seem to dodge the question of why no other aboriginal or even "non-anglo" players are being booed on a weekly basis?

Has been addressed numerous times on this thread. It's quite simple really, we'd rather our abos are more Uncle Tom than Malcolm X.

 

[loki04]

Point 1, sorry but this is just unbridled nonsense. Goodes was disappointed that a 13 year-old could be saying such things but he called for support for her. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-25/goodes-gutted-but-places-no-blame/4712772

"I've had fantastic support over the past 24 hours," Goodes said.

"I just hope that people give the 13 year old girl the same sort of support because she needs it, her family needs it, and the people around them need it.

"It's not a witch-hunt, I don't want people to go after this young girl.

"We've just got to help educate society better so it doesn't happen again."

Point 2. Eddie's a big boy who can stand up for himself. I'm not sure how this explains other club supporters giving it to Goodes, especially in light of how they view Collingwood and Ed.

Point 3, so essentially your saying Australia is perfect and has no historic or current issues to address. And I mean here in any field. There are plenty of people who point out issues in our nation, so they should all just shut up?

Point 4, he plays fine. Brereton has some nerve asking Goodes to look at himself about how he plays, especially in regard to sliding in. As Brereton himself said explicitly a few years ago, Hawthorn as A CLUB were instructed to take opposition legs out by sliding in! For God's sake.

This was after he used the same girl as the face of racism knowing full well of her age and everything else that would come along with it.

Wasn't enough to have her evicted 24 hrs later he put her up as the evil white aus poster child, imagine the impact on her life this will now have much more impact then her comment to Goodes.

"To hear a 13-year-old girl call me an ape ... it was shattering," Goodes said.

"Racism has a face. It's a 13-year-old girl."

Goodes later revealed the girl had called him to apologise. He tweeted: "Just received a phone call from a young girl apologizing for her actions. Lets
support her please #racismitstopswithme

The girl told Channel 10 news she was sorry.

"I didn't mean it in a racist way and I'm sorry to the club and the AFL," she said.

A teenage girl is escorted from her seat. Picture: Channel 7

Adam Goodes reacts after being abused in the last quarter. Picture: Channel 7

 

[loki04]

I'll withhold the sarcastic element as I have a great deal of respect for you as a poster.

My post was regarding misplaced responsibility and guilt.

Remember the s**t out of them. Learn from them. Never repeat them.

They just don't want to get it because it doesn't fit with their agenda.

Is this really that confusing to understand?

There is a difference to offering help/assistance/compo then taking on the blame, shame and sins of others.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

I'll withhold the sarcastic element as I have a great deal of respect for you as a poster.

My post was regarding misplaced responsibility and guilt.

Remember the s**t out of them. Learn from them. Never repeat them.

And I must apologise to you, although I responded to you, we both know there is a much wider reading audience

However, IMV, my point remains.
We as responsible people must repair the damage done by those who went before us, it is one of the ways in which society progresses.
We simply cannot remove ourselves from the issues that go on around us on the basis that it was our forefathers who created the issue.

 

[loki04]

Who said anything about booing? I'm gonna cheer, clap and whistle one of the greatest players to ever don a pair of footy boots. Oh, and I'll lambast the dunderheads that're booing.




You could at the very least make your trolling more humorous (that comment was utterly execrable when you consider what happened to "half castes" during the stolen generation, and the fact that the argument for removal morphed from one of eugenics, you know, "breed the colour" outta them to one of assimilation and the stripping of "culture").

I hope that comment was made from a perspective of ignorance, for if not there's a certain term that's been doing the rounds a fair bit lately, that may just fit

Yep this happened but what does this have to do with Adam Goodes who's parents fell in love and had kids like the rest of us?

You can't apply all ills of the past to the present just so it can suit an argument like you have just done.

Goodes wasn't stolen for being "half cast", Goodes wasn't a part of eugenics either.

Goodes has his own set of personal issues that he would of dealt with namely bullying through racist remarks and through his mothers anger and empathy at her being part of the stolen gen.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

What about abuse of children under the Catholic Church? Should the church just say, hey, wasn't me, ergo I have no responsibilities to the people affected?

The Catholic Church as an organization still exists and the abuses are current and ongoing. The protection of priests as a priority over the wellbeing of victims is a recent policy.

If Father Jim always served his parishioners with all his might, abided by the commandments and devoted his life to helping his fellow man, I'd be disgusted if he felt responsible for the actions of the abusive clergy members. What he should feel is enraged that his calling in life has been tainted, and no doubt saddened that those in need of guidance have been betrayed. On the other hand, "The Catholic Church" as an organization is culpable and should feel the weight of that responsibility.

 

[tommyv49]

Abusing someone for their race while they are running backwards, I think

Instead of using sarcasm to hide your ignorance how about you go and look it up you might learn something.

 

[THATSGOLD]

I decided to take a moral stance and not boo anybody anymore. The AFL should give all clubs discounted memberships for taking the fun out of footy.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Yep this happened but what does this have to do with Adam Goodes who's parents fell in love and had kids like the rest of us?

You can't apply all ills of the past to the present just so it can suit an argument like you have just done.

Goodes wasn't stolen for being "half cast", Goodes wasn't a part of eugenics either.

Goodes has his own set of personal issues that he would of dealt with namely bullying through racist remarks and through his mothers anger and empathy at her being part of the stolen gen.

Did you read the post that I was responding to? Do that and get back to me or STFU with your ramblings

 

[loki04]

And I must apologise to you, although I responded to you, we both know there is a much wider reading audience

However, IMV, my point remains.
We as responsible people must repair the damage done by those who went before us, it is one of the ways in which society progresses.
We simply cannot remove ourselves from the issues that go on around us on the basis that it was our forefathers who created the issue.

Your argument is redundant as no one is saying look away and leave them be.
Whose forefathers exactly? wasn't mine see this is the issue putting the blame, shame and the sins of others onto people is not right.

You can have empathy, you can want to help, you can educate with out the finger pointing and labelling you know that right?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Instead of using sarcasm to hide your ignorance how about you go and look it up you might learn something.

Perhaps, but not from you

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Instead of using sarcasm to hide your ignorance how about you go and look it up you might learn something.

I don't mean to speak for Baltimore Jack, but really, that comment deserved all the derision it received.

There's no such thing (despite what Wikipedia, the hiding place for the factually challenged, states) as reverse racism.

There's just racism

 

[The Royal Sampler]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_racism

Whilst "reverse racism" may be defined, I fundamentally reject the assertion that racism has an implied direction. The same applies to sexism, etc.

 

[eddiebankbalance]

I don't really like Goodes much so I'm a racist. I also have Aboriginal artwork in my home, so I'm a racist hypocrite.

 

[JB1975]

When Goodes said what he said about remembering whose country I was living in, it offended me personally. That is more than I can say about any of the Careys, Milnes or Akermanises of this world. None of whom I would waste a moment defending were they to become the target of booing, mind you, but I understand if people find Goodes to be objectionable on a uniquely personal level.

So from the gallery of immorality that has taken its place upon footy fields over the years, you're most offended by a man who points out a simple truth: that Australia was a country settled by theft and sustained violence, that the country was founded upon these things.

It confirms my view that people aren't booing Goodes because he's Indigenous; they're booing him because he's Indigenous and has the 'temerity' to raise some of the thornier points of Australia's past.

 

[loki04]

Er, I pointed out that most racists don't think they're racists. You said that was a crap argument. I gave some evidence. And now you, what, agree with me?

Because you are applying it to a generalisation that all booing "whites" are racist and if you think you're not then fit in with that rubbish throw away line.

Btw the booing isn't just from "whites".
I haven't booed Goodes and I think it should stop, I just find this whole whites are racist argument pathetic.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

It confirms my view that people aren't booing Goodes because he's Indigenous; they're booing him because he's Indigenous and has the 'temerity' to raise some of the thornier points of Australia's past.

In a nutshell

 

[Baltimore Jack]

So from the gallery of immorality that has taken its place upon footy fields over the years, you're most offended by a man who points out a simple truth: that Australia was a country settled by theft and sustained violence, that the country was founded upon these things.

It confirms my view that people aren't booing Goodes because he's Indigenous; they're booing him because he's Indigenous and has the 'temerity' to raise some of the thornier points of Australia's past.

This is exactly why people boo him, but they refuse to admit it.
People don't like to be shown the truth, some people call it "the Santa Clause" principle

 

[The Royal Sampler]

So from the gallery of immorality that has taken its place upon footy fields over the years, you're most offended by a man who points out a simple truth: that Australia was a country settled by theft and sustained violence, that the country was founded upon these things.

I'm most offended by a man who says I'm living in his country. That in effect I am an alien in the place of my birth and upbringing. That offends me personally, and on a different level to the actions of say, an Andrew Lovett who has been processed by the legal system and whose offenses were directed at someone else.

It's not that hard to understand. Which would make you angrier; the murder of your own child or reading about a child murdered in the newspaper? Both are the same act, some stuff hits closer to home.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Can you see how this might be perceived as being a bit narrow-minded? Say someone marched into your grandparents house, trashed the place and kicked them out and inflicted other acts of unspeakable violence on them. And pretend that that act were still having real, measurable effects on your ability to live a truly equal and dignified life. Would you be a bit upset about being told "yeah that was pretty rough but frankly its a waste of energy and time dealing with it and we don't care. Bad luck."

That is pretty much what happened.

When the communist party in China gained control, all of my Grandfather's and his family possessions were taken. From what I heard, we were quite wealthy back then.

I don't know much because I just don't ask, but I know my grandfather was thrown in jail, grandma had to move to a rural area by herself to work for the family, while my mother and her sisters had to take care of themselves, go to school and work.

Yeah. My family didn't get much of their stuff back in the end.

Do I care? Not really. What's the point in dwelling over something that happened 40 or 50 years ago. Let alone something I wasn't even born for.

What is the point continually talking about things that happened just under 300 years ago?

Australia has already apologised and apologised and apologised and acknowledged and recognised.

How much longer do the crimes of ancestors are supposed to hang over Australia's head?

I never said we shouldn't do anything about Indigenous issues. But if you want to discuss Indigenous issues, let's talk about 2015 and beyond.

Not the 17 or 1800's.

 

[NT.Thunder]

And I must apologise to you, although I responded to you, we both know there is a much wider reading audience

However, IMV, my point remains.
We as responsible people must repair the damage done by those who went before us, it is one of the ways in which society progresses.
We simply cannot remove ourselves from the issues that go on around us on the basis that it was our forefathers who created the issue.

I agree with you BJ and believe that this can only be done over a generation. There is no short term fix. If people think that the words 'sorry' made everything right and we just move on than the education part of this is all wrong. IMO we should already be there but we aren't, we are slow learners and more often than not, with one poorly managed incident can undo years of good work just like that.

It's like jmac70 has indicated, education in our schooling and teaching the youth that what was done previously was wrong and not acceptable by any means. It's taking ownership of problems and learning from these. We can't undo the past but we can undo a lot of good work going towards bridging that gap.

 

[JB1975]

I'm most offended by a man who says I'm living in his country. That in effect I am an alien in the place of my birth and upbringing. That offends me personally, and on a different level to the actions of say, an Andrew Lovett who has been processed by the legal system and whose offenses were directed at someone else.

It's not that hard to understand. Which would make you angrier; the murder of your own child or reading about a child murdered in the newspaper? Both are the same act, some stuff hits closer to home.

I appreciate what you're saying, and it very much underscores the point I was making. 'Australia' wasn't here before the British (and if you want to be pedantic then 'Australia' wasn't here for a long time after British settlement either), so I doubt that Goodes is trying to alienate you from your own country. But he has, true enough, pointed out that this thing called Australia has established itself at the expense of Aboriginal peoples, and that has indeed made a number of people (yourself included) uncomfortable.