BRODIE MARTIN

[CrowCro]

I live nrear footy park and go to numerous training sessions . If one player stands out on the track it is Brodie. Both with his speed, lateral movement and kicking. He is actually very talented and had one of the most exciting introductions to AFL of any Crow I can remember b3efore having a knee injury.Since then The stupid thing is he was given a few chances and suffered a second knee injury after a great game against Port. Since then Adelaide seems intent on using him as a specialist substituate that always makes room for incoming player and one year tried to make a defender out of him. I say play him on the ball or wing if you know anything about football. Pity is alot of the coaches football knowledge is shite , all they know is how to make great motivational speeches and play the correct corporate card- i say that as I know a few SANFL coaches whos football knowledge is very average ebven having been players and all they do is speek in Cliches.

Sando from what I have seen is a new coach but is not willing to bring in new players - just plays it safe. There is also no reason why Crouch should be in the team before Martin at this stage. Martin is in the BOGs nearly every game he plays in the SANFL and gives us what we need in speed and ball carrying ability. Crouch as good as he may become is a Thomson type- hard at it but not a ball carrier and would rather go by hand. We have plenty of these types at present, VB, Wright, Thommo, Patrenko. We need players that can cover the ground and help Danger and Makay- this is where Port exposed us last week. Bock used to provide so much run for us as did mcleod and our drefence did alot of our midfield set up work . at the moment we are getting none of this.I would actually play Danger in the miidle and rest him on the half back line. Martin to play wing and rest up forward. THE KID has got to start playing consecutive weeks andwhen he has one bad game left there and shyown some faith for the first time in his career. I have utmost faith that he will deliver. Otherwise AS FAR AS iM CONCERNED GO TO ANOTHER CLUB BRODIE. The astute football judges will be all over you

 

[crowsarethebest]

I really like Martin as well but he's always played out of position. He is not a running defender, he should be playing on the wing and would add another dimension. Unfortunately we've got MacKay who already is playing out of position on the HBF with spurts on the wing, Douglas and various other mids rotating on the wing. He's an outside player but I don't think he's quite big or good enough to play inside. He's got talent but I can't see him given a good run on the wing where he should be playing.

 

[Vader]

Methinks he's not quite as good as you make him out to be. He's a very good SANFL footballer, who is unlikely to ever bridge the gap to AFL standard. Not entirely dissimilar to Symes, who won the Magarey Medal the year after being chopped by the Crows. He's a handy depth player who can come in and play his role without causing the coach any headaches or stress, but that's all he is - a handy depth player.

As for why he's not getting games ahead of the likes of Crouch & co. Martin is 23 yrs 5mths old. There is no longer any upside or scope for improvement - what you see is what you get, for better or for worse. That would be fine, if he were a best 22 player, but he's not - and he never will be. In the meantime, he's competing against players who are 3-4 years younger than him, who are just as good - and who have significant scope for improvement. Crouch's potential is the greatest of any Adelaide recruit since Andrew McLeod, if given a choice between selecting him or Martin then Martin is going to lose out every single time.

Why pump games into a player who is not best 22 and never will be, when you have the option of pumping them into kids who have the potential to become good to outstanding AFL level footballers in the short to medium term future?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I like Martin too and would love to see him get a chance with another club.

Just not going to get a guernsey with us. Too many similar players - Reilly, van Berlo, Sloane, Jaensch, Wright, Mackay, Vince, Petrenko, Douglas and now Lynch and Kerridge - all seem to be ahead of him in the pecking order.

 

[beartoo]

I'm in the Martin is a b good player camp. Give him a decent run of games and watch him blossom at AFL level. I've said before and here it is again, if we let him go to another club we will regret it big time. He is a far better footballer than someone like Petrenko who seems to have a lifetime Sando gold pass whatever damage he causes us in games. Give Martin his spot in the forward line and give him occasional spurts on the wing. He knows how to create space for himself in the forward line, he has great skills, he has the pace to run through the lines and he can deliver the ball well by foot and hand. He is also a good shot at goal on the run or set. He plays with an intensity that means he should be giving some of our half-hearted downhill skiers lessons.
There is nothing more this bloke can do on the track or at SANFL level to show the coaches that he can play. If I were Martin I'd have my manager sniffing around to see if there will be interest at other clubs at the end of the year somewhere.
Lyon is in the same boat.

 

[Paladin]

I really want Martin to get a good run at it. Only strung a game or 2 together before injury or selection has forced him out. Showed plenty as sub last year and is a fantastic running, linking wingman with super skills and handy goalsense. Will make it and add something if he gets a chance. 2 year contract so I'm hopeful he will

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I really want Martin to get a good run at it. Only strung a game or 2 together before injury or selection has forced him out. Showed plenty as sub last year and is a fantastic running, linking wingman with super skills and handy goalsense. Will make it and add something if he gets a chance. 2 year contract so I'm hopeful he will

You'd think with our lack of outside run, finishing and pace in the midfield that we would be looking to utilise Martin's strengths.

Instead he's out of the team and Mackay is in the back pocket.

 

[craig crowing]

You'd think with our lack of outside run, finishing and pace in the midfield that we would be looking to utilise Martin's strengths.

Instead he's out of the team and Mackay is in the back pocket.

Become another ex Crow to thrive at another club along with Lyons.

 

[Vader]

You'd think with our lack of outside run, finishing and pace in the midfield that we would be looking to utilise Martin's strengths.

Instead he's out of the team and Mackay is in the back pocket.

And yet Martin finds himself playing with Sturt and wasn't even one of the players considered for elevation this week (when Kerridge, Laird & Lynch came into the side, with Lyons narrowly missing out). I wonder why that might be? Maybe the coaches don't see him quite the same way that his fanclub members do?

 

[Paladin]

You'd think with our lack of outside run, finishing and pace in the midfield that we would be looking to utilise Martin's strengths.

Instead he's out of the team and Mackay is in the back pocket.

Very strange its exactly what we lack. Mackay and Martin have it and that's about it on our list. Sando's gameplan relies on winning the clearance and contested ball so we cant afford to play these guys through the middle?

Martin is a very classy player its not like he cant play at the level so i put his lack of gametime down to niggling injuries/gameplan.

I'm hopeful Mackay is back on the wing this week.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

And yet Martin finds himself playing with Sturt and wasn't even one of the players considered for elevation this week (when Kerridge, Laird & Lynch came into the side, with Lyons narrowly missing out). I wonder why that might be? Maybe the coaches don't see him quite the same way that his fanclub members do?

Maybe the same reason we're losing?

 

[Vader]

Maybe the same reason we're losing?

Maybe he has other deficiencies that override the pace that he has to offer? This board is infamous for overlooking the deficiencies of shiny new toys, until they become glaringly obvious to all and sundry - think Petrenko & Jaensch.

 

[Paladin]

And yet Martin finds himself playing with Sturt and wasn't even one of the players considered for elevation this week (when Kerridge, Laird & Lynch came into the side, with Lyons narrowly missing out). I wonder why that might be? Maybe the coaches don't see him quite the same way that his fanclub members do?

Martin missed with a hamstring last week which would be why he wasn't called up. Shouldn't he be 22 on your famous depth chart seeing he was sub R1 or has the Vader "best 22" theory gone to pieces by R3

 

[Paladin]

Maybe he has other deficiencies that override the pace that he has to offer? This board is infamous for overlooking the deficiencies of shiny new toys, until they become glaringly obvious to all and sundry - think Petrenko & Jaensch.

Both in our best 22 or are you a better judge than our coach?

 

[Vader]

Martin missed with a hamstring last week which would be why he wasn't called up. Shouldn't he be 22 on your famous depth chart seeing he was sub R1 or has the Vader "best 22" theory gone to pieces by R3

He's never been in the best 22. He started the season around 25-26 on the list, with MJ and Riley ahead of him on the list of those outside the 22. Now Crouch is definitely preferred, so you can make that 26-27 at best. He's probably behind Kerridge, Laird & Lynch too now, but I'll wait for the team selections to stabilise before I make that call.

 

[Vader]

Both in our best 22 or are you a better judge than our coach?

Petrenko is in the best 22, but has his deficiencies which are now apparent to all and sundry.

Jaensch is not in the 22. He's just keeping Smith's seat warm for him.

 

[Paladin]

He's never been in the best 22. He started the season around 25-26 on the list, with MJ and Riley ahead of him on the list of those outside the 22. Now Crouch is definitely preferred, so you can make that 26-27 at best. He's probably behind Kerridge, Laird & Lynch too now, but I'll wait for the team selections to stabilise before I make that call.

Yep theory shot to bits.

 

[Vader]

Yep theory shot to bits.

What are you crapping on about?

I have consistently said that Martin was outside our best 22. I've also been happy to admit that the pecking order is fairly fluid amongst the developing youngsters on the list. Martin's position is sliding by the week, as those who are younger than him go right on past him.

 

[Footypie32]

Brodie Martin and Bernie Vince make for a good comparison. Both play their best footy as running Half-foward Flankers. Bernie has talent Brodie could only dream of, but doesn't work hard enough and funnily enough, the Coach has finally had enough. Martin, while not as talent as Vince (but still more talented than most on here make him out to be), gets the most out of himself in the SANFL. The way we are playing right now, I would much prefer to have a team of blue-chip tryers, than talented slackers. Who knows, it may spur the Bernie Vinces of our team to dig a little deeper...

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I think Martin is a little underrated on this board. He's got decent skills, good speed and has played well for us before (which is more than I can say for a few on our list).

Play him on the wing, he's no good in defense. Give him a few games consistently. If it doesn't work out trade him on (with Vince).

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Maybe he has other deficiencies that override the pace that he has to offer? This board is infamous for overlooking the deficiencies of shiny new toys, until they become glaringly obvious to all and sundry - think Petrenko & Jaensch.

There is no one on the Board who has ever wanted Petrenko as a forward or Jaensch as a defender.

I reckon Jacobs would struggle to play on Milne and Betts, but thankfully we don't ever find out that glaringly obvious deficiency.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Brodie needs to be given a decent run for a few games as a wingman/forward flanker - rather than a backman. There is room for him, given the form of the small forwards. He can play, provides good run & has decent skills. He is in the mix with a few others.

 

[Elite Crow]

And yet Martin finds himself playing with Sturt and wasn't even one of the players considered for elevation this week (when Kerridge, Laird & Lynch came into the side, with Lyons narrowly missing out). I wonder why that might be? Maybe the coaches don't see him quite the same way that his fanclub members do?

As pointed out, Martin is coming off an injury. For one so smug its amazing you arent on top of what's going on.

 

[Elite Crow]

Brodie needs to be given a decent run for a few games as a wingman/forward flanker - rather than a backman. There is room for him, given the form of the small forwards. He can play, provides good run & has decent skills. He is in the mix with a few others.

It's pretty hard to establish you yourself when you don't get full games consecutively. For a team screaming for speed and outside run its amazing we haven't played him and in a suitable position.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It's pretty hard to establish you yourself when you don't get full games consecutively. For a team screaming for speed and outside run its amazing we haven't played him and in a suitable position.

Agree. Same should apply to all fringe players coming into the team.