Rumour Buddy to retire at seasons end

[Ian Dunross]

Franklin was signed by Sydney for nothing because his contract was ludicrously long. Franklin's health has stopped him from completing the contract. Contract counted under TPP.

 

[Mr Mediocracy]

From what I've been told he's gone to bat at baseball. Faced three pitches. Swung and copped his three strikes.

Another player also at bat. Not far off being out.

Oh and because of contract stipulations his salary won't be included. Unlucky Sydney haters.

 

[Taylor]

ANY mental health condition is unforseen, any injury resulting from football is obviously something that was very forseeable.

Mental health is such a broad term that you can't speak in such absolutes.

It can mean depression. It can mean schizophrenia. It can mean an addiction.

 

[FuManchu]

This is absolutely ridiculous. I can only hope you are trolling.

If this happens, it would mean Buddy is clearly in such a state that he would forgo this incredibly lucrative contract just so that he can look after his health. If a player retires due to an legitimate injury then it would be absolutely absurd for the club to carry on paying their salary. The only reason they should carry on paying their salary is if they remain on the list. Therefore, you are either suggesting that the Swans force Buddy to remain on their list or that its not a legitimate injury. Either suggestion is pretty insulting.

This would be a carbon copy of Mitch Clark's exit from the Demons where his salary is not counted towards their cap (Clarks Demons contract wouldnt have even expired yet if he hadnt retired.)

You obviously didn't read what he wrote. He said that payment or no payment, the amount has to be included in the salary cap. The AFL have told the swans at the time they will have to include it as scheduled in the contract.

 

[FuManchu]

From what I've been told he's gone to bat at baseball. Faced three pitches. Swung and copped his three strikes.

Another player also at bat. Not far off being out.

Oh and because of contract stipulations his salary won't be included. Unlucky Sydney haters.

Have you got a quote from anyone stating that it won't be included in the cap?

 

[Finest of Wines]

Dillon said the AFL acknowledged that the nature of the nine-year deal was an unprecedented commitment of TPP funds to a single player over such a contract length, and as a result it sought written guarantees from all members of the Sydney board as well as its senior management.

"An explicit acknowledgement that the long-term specific financial commitment over the nine-year agreement will apply to the Swans' total player payments for each of the nine years, regardless of how many years Franklin is available to play for the club."

"The Swans' board and senior management will be required to meet with the AFL on an annual basis specifically to review how the club is managing its salary cap obligations in regards to the Franklin contract."

"An assurance the board has been provided with all information it required to properly assess the contract offer, including medical reviews and financial planning around the club's long-term salary-cap position."

From this, a direct quote from Andrew Dillon, it will be included. However, i'm sure Buddy will be back next season!

 

[Mr Mediocracy]

Have you got a quote from anyone stating that it won't be included in the cap?

Only from the person who told me that in the court of Big Footy means zero.

 

[Woodie99]

Thats the point they didnt you dickhead. They stated in the contract the entire ammount must be included in TPP for the entire duration.

This is what normally happens anyway and the AFL only allows clubs to excise retired players contracrs in certain unforseen circumstances. This is not unforseen and was clearly told to Sydney

What the **** are you on about?

You are saying that Sydney & the AFL knew that Buddy would suffer mental issues, this would clearly be "unforeseen circumstances"

 

[Illinois Nazi]

We all knew at the time, and we all know now, Franklin was never going to play for 9 years and the AFL will find an excuse to not enforce the salary cap after he has gone.

 

[brentman]

You obviously didn't read what he wrote. He said that payment or no payment, the amount has to be included in the salary cap. The AFL have told the swans at the time they will have to include it as scheduled in the contract.

i chose to ignore that due to its insanity. there is no queston that if buddy isnt getting paid, its not contributing to the cap.

What the **** are you on about?

You are saying that Sydney & the AFL knew that Buddy would suffer mental issues, this would clearly be "unforeseen circumstances"

pretty incredible to see how far people will bend over just to find reason to hate the swans.

 

[Woodie99]

We all knew at the time, and we all know now, Franklin was never going to play for 9 years and the AFL will find an excuse to not enforce the salary cap after he has gone.

Maybe we did all know that he wouldn't play 9 years, no one knew he would only play 1 (if he does retire).

What would happen if T Boyd was to retire tomorrow, stating mental health issues, would you expect his contract to be included in the Dogs TPP? Same goes with any player, NicNat doing the same because of his Mother.

 

[F_therest]

We all knew at the time, and we all know now, Franklin was never going to play for 9 years and the AFL will find an excuse to not enforce the salary cap after he has gone.

Um what makes you think the AFL will be on the swans' side?
The AFL were so pissed at Sydney for 'stealing' Buddy from under their noses that they stripped them of their COLA and placed a trading ban on them.

 

[Yellow Feathers]

Feel bad for Buddy... I think people are taking term "mental illness" the wrong way. He isn't depressed or scared of the facing a large crowd: he is having seizures. It's physical.

Geez Sydney, you really messed that one up. So many A grade midfielders coming through your list and you'll be paying the buddy tax for another 7 years.

 

[brentman]

Feel bad for Buddy... I think people are taking term "mental illness" the wrong way. He isn't depressed or scared of the facing a large crowd: he is having seizures. It's physical.

Geez Sydney, you really messed that one up. So many A grade midfielders coming through your list and you'll be paying the buddy tax for another 7 years.

pipe down when you have no clue what youre talking about.

the swans have explicitly said he suffers from a mental illness as well as epilepsy.

 

[King Notorious]

Sydney will not pay for the unfulfilled years if Buddy was to retire with a legitimate reason. Their contract would state this. And what is a contract you may ask? Webster's defines it as "an agreement under the law which is unbreakable". Which is unbreakable!

 

[WCErevival]

What if Buddy mutually agrees to terminate the contract? Will Sydney's future cap still be affected?

 

[Badesumofu]

They have to include the payments in the TPP no matter what. We would have had to match them in order to retain him, without knowing whether something like this would (potentially, it hasn't happened yet) happen. Whether or not it is 'unforeseen', and we don't have enough information to make that determination either, is not relevant. The payments go into the cap. End of story.

All that aside, I really hope Buddy can sort himself out and get his life back together, whether that is as an AFL player or not.

 

[DST]

What if Buddy mutually agrees to terminate the contract? Will Sydney's future cap still be affected?

If Buddy can't play out the rest of his contract due to being diagnosed and treated for clinical depression next year then his contract will not be included in Sydney's future salary cap.

The AFL rightly placed the conditions mentioned in this thread on the 9 year deal to ensure neither Sydney or Buddy could walk away from the deal in the future due to physical injury or wear and tear due to age. Hence the access to the players medical records on an annual basis.

Clinical depression neither diagnosed or known to the Swans, AFL or Buddy himself would not be in breach of the intent of that clause and anyone on this board who suggests otherwise is just muck raking.

DST

P.s I believe if Buddy receives the required treatment then he will make a full recovery and continue to play

 

[DST]

They have to include the payments in the TPP no matter what. We would have had to match them in order to retain him, without knowing whether something like this would (potentially, it hasn't happened yet) happen. Whether or not it is 'unforeseen', and we don't have enough information to make that determination either, is not relevant. The payments go into the cap. End of story.

All that aside, I really hope Buddy can sort himself out and get his life back together, whether that is as an AFL player or not.

That is so totally wrong I don't even know where to start with a response.

DST

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

The issue is nothing to do with the contract between the Swans and Franklin. Whether he actually receives the money or not is up to the wording of his contract, and what is really happening.

What is now a MASSIVE issue for the Swans is that under the arrangement negotiated under the Restricted Free Agent they MUST include the payments in the cap, EXACTLY as negotiated/declared and provided to Hawthorn to provide a counter-offer.

The AFL cannot possible let them off this stipulation, as it undermines the entire integrity of the AFL....


...actually, yeah you're right, they will let the $wan$ off anyway they can.

 

[Badesumofu]

That is so totally wrong I don't even know where to start with a response.

DST

You could produce the clause that states Sydney don't have to include the payments in the case of mental illness, for a start.

 

[Ian Dunross]

Maybe we did all know that he wouldn't play 9 years, no one knew he would only play 1 (if he does retire).

What would happen if T Boyd was to retire tomorrow, stating mental health issues, would you expect his contract to be included in the Dogs TPP? Same goes with any player, NicNat doing the same because of his Mother.

Neither player was recruited for free under free agency.

Terrible analogy.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

What the **** are you on about?

You are saying that Sydney & the AFL knew that Buddy would suffer mental issues, this would clearly be "unforeseen circumstances"

Strap yourself in for some knowledge moron.

When a club signs a player to a contract. They are bound to include that contract in the TPP for the entire length of the contract regardless whether the player is playing or not. (Injured, retired whatever).

The AFL has, in the past, used their discretion to cut contracts from TPP in certain circumstances. Notable examples include Croad's contract and Clark's contract. This is discretionary and not automatic.

In normal circumstances, if a player just retires early, their contract remains in the TPP until the end of the contract.
Especially in the case of Free Agency which specifically states that all contracts must be included in the cap for the full ammount for the full time. This is to stop teams bidding a couple of million to outbid another club and then cutting that contract and paying them 500k for example.

In the Franklin case the AFL specifically said - this is a huge risk and you will be forced to pay the entire amount for the entire length if you take this contract.

Due to the dirty nature of Sydneys acquisition of Franklin the AFL had to re-iterate there would be no concessions. And hopefully they stick with that.

 

[brentman]

Have you got a quote from anyone stating that it won't be included in the cap?

if its 3 drug strikes it obviously wont be included in the cap

They have to include the payments in the TPP no matter what. We would have had to match them in order to retain him, without knowing whether something like this would (potentially, it hasn't happened yet) happen. Whether or not it is 'unforeseen', and we don't have enough information to make that determination either, is not relevant. The payments go into the cap. End of story.

All that aside, I really hope Buddy can sort himself out and get his life back together, whether that is as an AFL player or not.

if you had matched the offer and he retired due to mental illness then you obviously wouldnt have had him in your cap either. you chose not to match the offer....

 

[Mick39]

If he retires, the AFL will pardon his contract figure in Sydney's salary cap. The AFL aren't going to punish one of their favoured clubs in Sydney.

Just look at the trade ban they put on them. It's been watered down as the AFL are aware of the cliff they are about to fall off with Jetta leaving, Goodes & Shaw retiring & the likes of Ted Richards being cooked as players.