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swifty said:
how is it a "poor mans" protein? i dont get what your saying ?

100g canned tuna about 18g protein
100g chicken breast is about 28g protein

is that really a poor mans protein ?

gram for gram they are both packed with protein

and do i really need to go through the benefits of tuna? i think you know what they are.
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If its cheap protein you want their is 77.8 g of protein in 100g of Pork Krackles from Woolies.
 
ablett said:
All Calories are not treated equally, once you adapt to proper eating you will be able to eat surplus cals & lose or maintain weight, pending on your goals, I've witnessed it first hand the past two years so don't knock it until you try it.
I haven't counted calories for two years.
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just because your not counting calories doesnt mean what your saying is working. if your goal is to lose, gain or maintain weight. then i guarantee its because your eating the required calories to do so.

reality is, depending on the individuals goals they are either eating too little, or too much without realising. and either struggling to put on weight, or lose weight. they will only be able to achieve their goal once they find out how many calories they are really eating.
 
ablett said:
Looks good on paper but the Tunas protein is poorly bio-available.
Show me anyone with bulging muscles from tuna?
If you like the taste then fair enough but if we are talking relying on its protein for muscle building then it's a poor choice opposed to Beef/ eggs / whey
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no one is building muscle from 1 food alone, no matter what the food. so i dont know why your saying that.

people eat a variety of foods to build muscle which must include protein, carbs and fats, im sure you know that.

what im saying is there is no problem eating tuna if you want a bit of variety. if your goal is to gain muscle size then tuna is great. mix 2 canned tunas into a cup or two of rice and you have a great protein/carb loaded meal.
 

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swifty said:
no one is building muscle from 1 food alone, no matter what the food. so i dont know why your saying that.

people eat a variety of foods to build muscle which must include protein, carbs and fats, im sure you know that.

what im saying is there is no problem eating tuna if you want a bit of variety. if your goal is to gain muscle size then tuna is great. mix 2 canned tunas into a cup or two of rice and you have a great protein/carb loaded meal.
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Ok I agree to some degree but if you look at any pro body builders diet , juiced up or not, you want see tuna on their list which is telling you something.
I'm all for people questioning my opinions but atleast provide a better one if so.
 
swifty said:
just because your not counting calories doesnt mean what your saying is working. if your goal is to lose, gain or maintain weight. then i guarantee its because your eating the required calories to do so.

reality is, depending on the individuals goals they are either eating too little, or too much without realising. and either struggling to put on weight, or lose weight. they will only be able to achieve their goal once they find out how many calories they are really eating.
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I'm 74k and 3000cals plus cals a day.
My maintenance cals is under 2000 agree?
 
ablett said:
Ok I agree to some degree but if you look at any pro body builders diet , juiced up or not, you want see tuna on their list which is telling you something.
I'm all for people questioning my opinions but atleast provide a better one if so.
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i use to work witih a female bodybuilder. she competed in shows. she ate PLENTY of canned tuna.. either tuna and rice, tuna fishcakes, tuna wraps. you name it. anyway i think we may have to agree to disagree, nice talking to you about it.
 
ablett said:
I'm 74k and 3000cals plus cals a day.
My maintenance cals is under 2000 agree?
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you havnt included your height. but lets jsut say your maintenance is 2000. your eating 3000 calories per day, are you taking into account the physical activity your doing throughout the day? which will bring you back down to about 2000 calories? do you have an active day job?

i guarantee if you ate 3000 cals a day on a 2000 maintenance, and have a desk job and do little to no exercise, you will put on weight. regardless of what food it is.
 
swifty said:
i use to work witih a female bodybuilder. she competed in shows. she ate PLENTY of canned tuna.. either tuna and rice, tuna fishcakes, tuna wraps. you name it. anyway i think we may have to agree to disagree, nice talking to you about it.
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Yeah women bodybuilders will eat tuna because they ain't fans of high beef consuption
 
swifty said:
you havnt included your height. but lets jsut say your maintenance is 2000. your eating 3000 calories per day, are you taking into account the physical activity your doing throughout the day? which will bring you back down to about 2000 calories? do you have an active day job?

i guarantee if you ate 3000 cals a day on a 2000 maintenance, and have a desk job and do little to no exercise, you will put on weight. regardless of what food it is.
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Office job.
178cm
On exercise/gym days I burn between 5-700
Also I wasn't skinny to start with so l didn't/don't have a super charged metabolism.

High fat is a given, knowing your right carb intake is the key
 
I'm sure it has already been said but that daily diet posted by the OP at the start of the thread is full of sugar.

You have to hand it to the fruit lobby, they seem to have convinced Australians that fruit is prima facie good. As though fruits are on par with vegetables in terms of nutrition and goodness.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Apples, bananas, choc-full of sugar. I don't even know what that desert thingy you have after dinner is but I'll bet it is also full of sugar.

Cut out the sugar and you'll be sweet brah.
 
swifty said:
surprised nobody has said this yet (i think)...

it doesnt matter WHAT your eating.. or how frequently you are eating... Just get your calorie maintenance from an online calculator, and cut 500 calories from it. then do whatever cardio you like, pretty simple.

dont let people confuse you by having all these supplements or ingredients that pretty much do nothing...
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What calories you eat do matter, the three macros react differently and cause different hormonal responses in the body. Youtube Gary Taubes, there is various videos on his research when writing good calories bad calories. It is not as simple as calories in vs. calories out. Likewise i have been watching a lot of Layne Norton's vlogs good watching, particularly he has done a few videos on metabolic "damage"/adaptation


ablett said:
Looks good on paper but the Tunas protein is poorly bio-available.
Show me anyone with bulging muscles from tuna?
If you like the taste then fair enough but if we are talking relying on its protein for muscle building then it's a poor choice opposed to Beef/ eggs / whey
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I have put on 8-10 kg in the last 12 months, keeping body levels pretty well in check from 76kg vs 86kg 9a slight increase). During the week i would consume 3-4 78g tins for lunch a week (i alternate with turkey). It is quick and easy, i can't be bothered cooking lunch every day nor do i want to eat chicken or steak every day. My diet is pretty basic and simple, but like some variety. Eating the same food each day is bloody boring and for most a sure way to divert from their "diet"
 
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estibador said:
The push up bra effect.
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Add Corsets, etc.
Smiling Buddha said:
Dude it's a joke site.
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Exactly, it's intend is clearly to show that stuffing a hippo into a tiny dress still leaves a hippo. Push-up bra's, corsets etc. may superficially fool, but aren't going to encourage anyone to stick around once removed. They still look the same and have just added blatant liar to the mix. A real win-win there.
 
Bengali Bomber said:
Thanks for the advice. Will try to take it on board. Yonanas is brilliant. The reason I have tuna is my cholesterol is slightly high and the doctor suggested I eat a tin of tuna every day.
Diet and exercise can control blood sugar but not eliminate diabetes. Once you have diabetes it is there for the rest of your life. You can keep your blood sugar low through diet and exercise but slacken off a bit and it goes up again.
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have you noticed a link between sugar levels (over a sustained period) and cholesterol?
 
Bengali Bomber said:
I don't think the two are connected.
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I have a few friends who were only specialised diets and medication to control cholesterol under the guidance of doctors without success.

They then completely changed their diet completely eating lobster and all the things doctors say they shouldn't eat and stopped the medication. However, the reduced their sugar intake and..........their cholesterol reduced to normal levels.

I don't and they don't know why but the theory started from a girl (with cholesterol problems) who believed cholesterol is the bodies natural protection of the circulatory system from high spikes in sugar.

The theory may have no basis but the number of people it has worked for is quite remarkable.
 
On the subject of canned fish, Mark Sisson has just posted this on his blog
"Dear Mark, Do the packages of Chicken of the Sea Premium Wild-Caught Pink Salmon offer the same health benefits as a wild caught piece of salmon? Just looking for an easy way to get more salmon in my diet. Thanks! James"

For the most part, yes. Let’s break down the various health benefits and see how the canning process might affect them:

Minerals: Salmon is a rich source of various minerals, with selenium being the most prominent. Since heating doesn’t really break down minerals, you won’t lose any to the canning process. If you’re worried about minerals leaching into the salmon juice, just mix it into the salmon.

Vitamins: Thiamine is somewhat vulnerable to canning, but most of it is retained. Other B-vitamins (the only ones really found in salmon) are also well-preserved.

Vitamin D: Salmon is one the best dietary sources of vitamin D around, and canned pink salmon is no exception with around 400-500 IUs for every three ounces. Canning doesn’t change that.

Omega-3: Most research confirms that omega-3s are retained in canned fish. One study found that the most abundant fatty acid in samples of canned Mexican tuna was DHA. In another study, canned tuna, salmon, sardine, and jurel all retained high levels of omega-3s. Of course, there are some losses. Subjecting skipjack tuna to the canning process in another study totally eradicated the DHA and EPA levels. Meanwhile, the overall omega-6 PUFA content of the tuna increased due to migration from the canning oil.

It comes down to cooking time, temperature, and cooking brine/oil. Fish canned in brine or water are more susceptible to oxidation than fish canned in oil, with extra virgin olive oil being the most protective due to its polyphenol content (more protective even than synthetic antioxidant preservatives designed to prevent oxidation – nature wins again!). The description of the Chicken of the Sea canning process is generic, so it’s difficult to say anything definitive. But all in all I think canned salmon is often a great alternative to fresh.
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http://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/how-to-burn-stubborn-body-fat

Interesting article relating to "stubborn fat".
The LCHFers may be interested in this tidbit:

In addition there are supplements that can help. My two favorites are green tea extract and coleus forskohlii (forskolin). Both of these supplements work on the same cellular messengers that are activated by the catecholamines, only they don't do it by binding alpha and beta-receptors.
This goes a long way to taking the brakes off of stubborn body fat. Keep in mind these work best in lower insulin states.
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