Capitalist Corruption

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mottrain said:
Correct. Can say though the Coup's complained already about people bringing unions into this thread as they are not relevant apparently :drunk:. Good to see someone else sees it the same way I do. I wonder whether you'll get reported for off topic posting :oops:.
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I'm not really interested in union corruption (ITT specifically), nor am I particularly interested in playing good guys and bad guys.

I'm curious as to what specifically defines "capitalist" corruption and how it differs from any other form.
 
Scotland said:
I'm not really interested in union corruption (ITT specifically), nor am I particularly interested in playing good guys and bad guys.

I'm curious as to what specifically defines "capitalist" corruption and how it differs from any other form.
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That's exactly the point though. The thread could not distignuish it in any way considering capitalism effects all facets of Australia.
 
Scotland said:
I'm still trying to get my head around the basis of the thread.



This seems a bit vague to me. What is the difference between corruption by say BHP or corruption by say the CFMEU whose members work for BHP? The driving force behind corruption is always self interest, isn't it?
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The driving force behind corruption is usually capitalism, yes. Even the corruption within trade unions (which exists, just not nearly as much as it does within boardrooms) in Australian society is due to the insidious nature of capitalism.

But there can be other kinds of corruption for example on ideological grounds. We don't really see that in Australia by trade unions, but the LNP engage in it pretty regularly (for example). No tangible benefit to the individuals directly responsible for making the decision to be corrupt, but they think they're doing the "right" thing in the grand scheme of things.
 

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The Coup said:
This is why non human ownership of assets needs to go.
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That my friend would be capitalist doom. Bye bye entities such as Apple etc]

Lebbo73 said:
Why do you want their money for? It isn't yours to take. Stop being greedy and expecting the govt to steal off honest working small business owners.
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Because like I said in my first post that's the problem with these boomers mentality. It's simply not their money. It's societies that's how capitalism works and when you try to rort a "fairly" composed system you are stealing from others. Do you understand the concept of tax? Do you understand it's balanced for everyone until these dickheads start meddling with everything. Do you not understand you are paying less than people worse off than you building your roads, schools and parks? These misanthropic pigs use society but want no part amongst the commoners that build it.

They re a definitely not hard working just unethical greedy self entitled pigs pulling more than their fair share robbing everyone else. It's ours to take buddy and not yours to keep. Capitalism simply wouldn't work if everyone treated it the way you did!!!! But keep mooching off everyone else thinking you're a great contributor to society.
 
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Scotland said:
OK, so Tone finding $200m to fund school chaplains, would that fit your definition?
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Given how they have circumvented a ruling by the High Court in order to implement the scheme;effectively giving the judicial system the finger you'd have to think it's at least corrupt.
Political/bureaucratic/typical.....capitalist....???why not...
 
illavitar said:
That my friend would be capitalist doom. Bye bye entities such as Apple etc]



Because like I said in my first post that's the problem with these boomers mentality. It's simply not their money. It's societies that's how capitalism works and when you try to rort a "fairly" composed system you are stealing from others. Do you understand the concept of tax? Do you understand it's balanced for everyone until these dickheads start meddling with everything. Do you not understand you are paying less than people worse off than you building your roads, schools and parks? These misanthropic pigs use society but want no part amongst the commoners that build it.

They re a definitely not hard working just unethical greedy self entitled pigs pulling more than their fair share robbing everyone else. It's ours to take buddy and not yours to keep. Capitalism simply wouldn't work if everyone treated it the way you did!!!! But keep mooching off everyone else thinking you're a great contributor to society.
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They operated within the law and still paid $54k in tax. Income tax is theft. Roads are built from the myriad of excessive taxes paid by those who use them. Stop expecting those who earn more to provide for you.
Btw, I earn $23k per year. I choose to live like I do and I don't receive any welfare. Nice try champ.
 
The Coup said:
Good question, happy to clarify for the purposes of the thread:

Corruption as a result of the capitalist economic system and modern capitalist culture.

i.e. corruption that results from the profit motive, private property and exploitation are all fundamentally a part of the system. But there are additional types of corruption exacerbated by the modern mythologizing of the "free market" principle and individualist culture as opposed to a collectivist culture.
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The root cause of too much corruption are too many laws, lobbied for usually by the Big Business , Big Government , Big union triumvirate.
Big Business are actually lefties , who lobby government for their advantage over small to medium enterprises and the proles who inorarant go along because they have been told it improves "fairness" when it usually has the opposite effect.

Smaller government would mean less corruption as there would be fewer laws to lobby for. I would be surprised if anyone today could go for a week without unknowingly offending by breaking some rule or regulation.
 
Lebbo73 said:
Does Pokerspiv work for them? Why was he banned anyway?
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Pretty sure he does yes, but he doesn't admit it here (not sure if he's paid for comment as such, or if he just works there and posts here because the IPA don't have any actual work to do.)

I'm not a mod, I don't know why he was banned though he did make a death threat towards me. I think he was just drunk at 7am one day. Working for the IPA would do that to anyone though.
 
Ripper said:
The root cause of too much corruption are too many laws, lobbied for usually by the Big Business , Big Government , Big union triumvirate.
Big Business are actually lefties , who lobby government for their advantage over small to medium enterprises and the proles who inorarant go along because they have been told it improves "fairness" when it usually has the opposite effect.

Smaller government would mean less corruption as there would be fewer laws to lobby for. I would be surprised if anyone today could go for a week without unknowingly offending by breaking some rule or regulation.
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Big Business are actually lefties.

GUFFAW.

How brainwashed do you have to get to reach this conclusion exactly? This is like right wingers claiming the Nazi's were left wing.
 
The Coup said:
Big Business are actually lefties.

GUFFAW.

How brainwashed do you have to get to reach this conclusion exactly? This is like right wingers claiming the Nazi's were left wing.
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Just observe. Big business lobby for laws that will advantage them, a trait of the left.

I will leave off arguing about Germanys "national Socialist party".

I have not got time. It's Friday and I am about to put on my nanny state helmet and cycle down to the hotel to ingest some "dangerous carbon pollution" mixed with some Rum.
 

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These entitled boomers. They think they're so incredible providing jobs but once they get in this established position, they expect all these free handouts/entitlements for for absolutely nothing themselves. Justifying the "contributions"/labour they employ as though they actually do something.

I much prefer the system of small business, where new blood is ready to replace old and worn unwilling conglomerates.

Lebbo73 said:
They operated within the law and still paid $54k in tax. Income tax is theft. Roads are built from the myriad of excessive taxes paid by those who use them. Stop expecting those who earn more to provide for everuyone.
Btw, I earn $23k per year. I choose to live like I do and I don't receive any welfare. Nice try champ.
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That's exactly what I expect of these people, to pay their part into the very society that lifted them to that rare privaledge. I've explained how he is juggling the system to dodge tax that is simply not legal. He is not working for free, nor are his 3 kids working in 100k positions... get real. It's actually illegal to create pseudo jobs, you cannot create positions in the interest of dodging tax.

But it is legal however if he actually doesn't receive any of that money off his kids in the hand :drunk: The problem with that is it's usually exploited by the very useless greedy ilmoral pigs I'm targeting my disdain towards. You start stealing other peoples sugar and all of a sudden you think it's yours and come up with all these off the book laws you don't honour yet say you do all in the name of greed and selfishness, obviously these people are completely useless to society.
 
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The Coup said:
Pretty sure he does yes, but he doesn't admit it here (not sure if he's paid for comment as such, or if he just works there and posts here because the IPA don't have any actual work to do.)

I'm not a mod, I don't know why he was banned though he did make a death threat towards me. I think he was just drunk at 7am one day. Working for the IPA would do that to anyone though.
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Be careful, watch your back, he has some bricks ready for use.
 
Also deregulation allowing retail banks to have IB arms. Terrible decision.

Also Reagan's anti trust abolition and the ongoing "cutting red tape" madness of the late 80's and the entire 90's.

Abbott is on board with this madness in a big way.
 
The Coup said:
The driving force behind corruption is usually capitalism
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As they say in Ireland when you ask for directions, "I wouldn't start from here.

The driving force behind corruption is human nature.

The Coup said:
Even the corruption within trade unions (which exists, just not nearly as much as it does within boardrooms) in Australian society is due to the insidious nature of capitalism.
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There can be corruption due to collusion between government and big business. Eg the banks have a long history of wanting to privatise profits and socialising debts. But crony capitalism should not be mistaken for the real thing. I agree with Ripper. Crony capitalism is more akin to socialism.

Collusion between political parties that form governments and unions is more insidious. Union membership is down to about 10% of the Australian population. Yet the unions play a large part in selecting ALP candidates and determining policy which, if they are elected, affects policy at state and national level. Plus the shady deals that pay back the unions for their support such as the Vic desal plant and favourable legislation.

The Coup said:
But there can be other kinds of corruption for example on ideological grounds. We don't really see that in Australia by trade unions, but the LNP engage in it pretty regularly (for example). No tangible benefit to the individuals directly responsible for making the decision to be corrupt, but they think they're doing the "right" thing in the grand scheme of things.
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Politicians, business people and union bosses indulge in corrupt behaviour. However, up until recently the activities of unions have not been subject to adequate scrutiny.
 
Lester Burnham said:
As they say in Ireland when you ask for directions, "I wouldn't start from here.

The driving force behind corruption is human nature.
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This is where you're wrong and just repeating ideology rather than taking an objective view. You need to understand part of capitalist dogma is a claim that all humans are inherently evil and corrupt.

They equate this to mean due to human nature, we can not share anything. the only way for things to be fair is for everyone to be equally ruthless (of course, this is not how it works in practice as capitalism exists merely to entrench existing power structures and wealth).

There can be corruption due to collusion between government and big business. Eg the banks have a long history of wanting to privatise profits and socialising debts. But crony capitalism should not be mistaken for the real thing. I agree with Ripper. Crony capitalism is more akin to socialism.

Collusion between political parties that form governments and unions is more insidious. Union membership is down to about 10% of the Australian population. Yet the unions play a large part in selecting ALP candidates and determining policy which, if they are elected, affects policy at state and national level. Plus the shady deals that pay back the unions for their support such as the Vic desal plant and favourable legislation.
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Crony Capitalism is capitalism. Some people call it corporatism, and they used to call it colonialism. But it is exactly the same thing. Rich people using the state against the workers to maintain their status as rich people.

Politicians, business people and union bosses indulge in corrupt behaviour. However, up until recently the activities of unions have not been subject to adequate scrutiny.
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Including union bosses in that sentence is ridiculous.
 
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