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thylacine60 said:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...s-for-vfl-curtainraisers-20141206-121mw4.html

How cool is this. Now's the chance for us to really respond to what pre-game entertainment is all about. If we don't, the suits will say it has been a failure and kill it after one season. Make it live again, Carlton people!!
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Read, the story. This is just nuts.
Why are they not fixturing VFL matches to have AFL Vic based clubs have their VFL team play each other on same weekend the AFL clubs do ?

Obviously if we are considering bringing back curtain raisers the most intelligent way to do it is have it happen more often when 2 Vic based clubs meet. But no, for some odd reason we are trialling it only when we play GWS or Gold Coast. So sad the thinking is so screwed.
Well least it is a start.
 
thylacine60 said:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...s-for-vfl-curtainraisers-20141206-121mw4.html

How cool is this. Now's the chance for us to really respond to what pre-game entertainment is all about. If we don't, the suits will say it has been a failure and kill it after one season. Make it live again, Carlton people!!
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Watching the reserves smack the bejesus out of them before the big game at 2PM is just like the old days.
Just need to bring back the hot donut truck, the half time raffle ticket blokes and the peanut man and everything old will be new again.....
Just need to identify the three best South Australians and West Australians for us to buy for the 2015 season.
Wonder if The Buzz wants to make a comeback?
 
harmesy 37 said:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-and-the-culture-club-20141206-121qw9.html

Another bitter attack on Carlton and its "money" culture. The article had some good points, but single-ing out Carlton as a club that buys success is clearly incorrect.

Apparently we are led to believe by Jack Niall (yet another person in the media) that the only club that used "chequebook recruiting" in the VFL/AFL during the 1970s to the 1990s was Carlton. Apparently Hawthorn never recruited John Platten, Buckenara, Abbot, Jarman, Ben Allan and Darren Pritchard amongst many others. North never recruited Barry Cable, Glendinning and Malcolm Blight - those guys never played in the VFL apparently and they never were lured over by money.

Poor recruiting is only part of the problem, what about the AFL head office's attitude towards Carlton in relation to other clubs?
Has this writer analysed why North Melbourne gets over 10 million in AFL funding more than Carlton since 2006. Could that impact on how a team goes perhaps? 10 million in the bank surely helps. Why did Hawthorn get the Tasmanian deal alone etc from the AFL? Let's write an article on why elements of the AFL doesn't consider Carlton a key plank in its growth. That would be an interesting article.
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Have not read it yet, but Jake Niall is a true Carlton hater from way back. Past era's part of way you recruited players to clubs was dealing with the club you are getting them from and doing financial deals. Every club did it. It was way before drafts and salary caps came in and was the way it was done. We were clearly one of the better clubs at it back then and the culture of the club in itself was a big part of reason why. It is why our past players group is one of the best in the league, if not the best. Rarely hear a player from those era's have anything bad to say about how club was run back then.

It is actually our culture at club since mid 1990's and John Elliott failing to adjust to embracing the whole draft and salary cap era that sent our club back so far it is not funny.
I've yet to see us actually work it out as a club. Hopefully we do soon as we been one of the worst clubs at using trades and drafting in last 25 years.
 
footyfan78 said:
Have not read it yet, but Jake Niall is a true Carlton hater from way back. Past era's part of way you recruited players to clubs was dealing with the club you are getting them from and doing financial deals. Every club did it. It was way before drafts and salary caps came in and was the way it was done. We were clearly one of the better clubs at it back then and the culture of the club in itself was a big part of reason why. It is why our past players group is one of the best in the league, if not the best. Rarely hear a player from those era's have anything bad to say about how club was run back then.

It is actually our culture at club since mid 1990's and John Elliott failing to adjust to embracing the whole draft and salary cap era that sent our club back so far it is not funny.
I've yet to see us actually work it out as a club. Hopefully we do soon as we been one of the worst clubs at using trades and drafting in last 25 years.
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Yeah, fair points...His argument that Carlton still believes in 2014 that the only way forward is to "rapaciously" "buy players, coaches or even clubs" is clearly an anochronism...and an inaccurate one at that. The only example in the last 15-20 years I can think of where the club went out of their way to "buy a player" was to get Chris Judd...and that was clearly justified considering he wanted to return to Victoria and he had 3-4 clubs he reviewed.

How can they buy a Dangerfield and a Ablett and a Gray all at once when there is a salary cap? Surely Niall realises Carlton (especially after what happened in 2001) knows that there is a salary cap. On top of that, with the AFL's policy of plying money into North Melbourne (over 12 mill) and Hawthorn (tasmanian deal)etc, Carlton even if there wasn't a salary cap is in such a weakened financial situation that it couldn't buy all those players anyway.

He inaccurately states....

"It has taken two decades of under-performance, but Carlton people at all levels are finally recognising that they have been culturally hidebound, and that the rapacious old ways - buying players, coaches or even clubs - won't cut it. The penny is dropping, including for the club board."

So in 2014 Carlton finally realised it couldn't buy players to get success?
What a nut.

People read this drivel and think that Carlton is what he states. It is a shame that this type of article is still written.
 

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footyfan78 said:
Read, the story. This is just nuts.
Why are they not fixturing VFL matches to have AFL Vic based clubs have their VFL team play each other on same weekend the AFL clubs do ?

Obviously if we are considering bringing back curtain raisers the most intelligent way to do it is have it happen more often when 2 Vic based clubs meet. But no, for some odd reason we are trialling it only when we play GWS or Gold Coast. So sad the thinking is so screwed.
Well least it is a start.
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Try to restrain your unfettered optimism.
 
If someone with an IQ of 50 who believed in fairies, aliens and unicorns escaped from the asylum and decided to write some random ramblings about Carlton, it would make an interesting choice for whether I'd read that before anything printed by Jake Niall. Close call.
 
JuddgementDay said:
has this been posted?
good read...
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-07/sam-rowe
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Gives the Jake Niall article a bit of perspective.
Carlton taking a mature age recruit, sticking by him whilst he fights a life threatening disease, establishes himself as an AFL player and is promoted to the leadership group.
Massive props to Sam Rowe, and well done to the CFC.
Great life story and great life lessons.
 
Juddrockz said:
Re: Yarran Betts & Garlett a key for Carlton

It's going to take more than $$$$ to separate these boys they have an amazing bond to go along with their amazing talents.
My favourite part to the read was Jeffy saying to Richo he would be elated to the seniors in his debut and he was!!! Love it.:D
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Gotta love a flashback!
 
harmesy 37 said:
Yeah, fair points...His argument that Carlton still believes in 2014 that the only way forward is to "rapaciously" "buy players, coaches or even clubs" is clearly an anochronism...and an inaccurate one at that. The only example in the last 15-20 years I can think of where the club went out of their way to "buy a player" was to get Chris Judd...and that was clearly justified considering he wanted to return to Victoria and he had 3-4 clubs he reviewed.

How can they buy a Dangerfield and a Ablett and a Gray all at once when there is a salary cap? Surely Niall realises Carlton (especially after what happened in 2001) knows that there is a salary cap.

He inaccurately states....

"It has taken two decades of under-performance, but Carlton people at all levels are finally recognising that they have been culturally hidebound, and that the rapacious old ways - buying players, coaches or even clubs - won't cut it. The penny is dropping, including for the club board."

So in 2014 Carlton finally realised it couldn't buy players to get success?
What a nut.

People read this drivel and think that Carlton is what he states. It is a shame that this type of article is still written.
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Unfortunately it is the level of sports football journalism in the main. There are plenty of Jake Niall types and he is not even the worst of them. I think it is because so many more football writers are employed now because of the expansion of football being from Friday evening to Sunday night. Quantity rather than quality is what rules the print media.

I just actually got around to reading it. A lot of his own spin on things as a Carlton hater. There is not much there of substance. However in all his dribble there was one actual fact printed. As far as my own observations goes, it has for some time, been frustratingly true.

" Carlton have not traded for an extra first-round draft pick in 14 years."


and this is an opinion of someone in industry that I tend to agree with
""They've never embraced the draft," said one veteran recruiter, echoing the long-held views of most within the AFL's list-management fraternity."

All the rest of his article is not worth the paper it is written on.
 
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footyfan78 said:
Unfortunately it is the level of sports football journalism in the main. There are plenty of Jake Niall types and he is not even the worst of them. I think it is because so many more football writers are employed now because of the expansion of football being from Friday evening to Sunday night. Quantity rather than quality is what rules the print media.

I just actually got around to reading it. A lot of his own spin on things as a Carlton hater. There is not much there of substance. However in all his dribble there was one actual fact printed. As far as my own observations goes, it has for some time, been frustratingly true.

" Carlton have not traded for an extra first-round draft pick in 14 years."


and this is an opinion of someone in industry that I tend to agree with
""They've never embraced the draft," said one veteran recruiter, echoing the long-held views of most within the AFL's list-management fraternity."

All the rest of his article is not worth the paper it is written on.
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Good points all round footyfan78. Niall has probably written some good articles, but this isn't one of them. Jon Pierik for the most part writes better articles on Carlton. Perhaps Niall should reassess his writings on the topic of Carlton.

However, didn't Carlton trade Fevola to Brisbane for Henderson and a first round pick? Selection 12?
That would qualify as a trade for a first rounder wouldn't it? Or perhaps not for Niall.

That trade occured within the last 14 years unless I am mistaken.

Or according to Niall, perhaps this didn't happen just like North Melbourne never bought Doug Wade from Geelong with the use of brown paper bags full of money under the table, that Malcolm Blight wasn't lured from SA with money from North, the Krakeour brothers must have only ever played in Western Australia as apparently North Melbourne never lured recruits with money...only Carlton. etc.


How silly of me to forget that only Carlton was "rapacious" with recruiting. All other clubs are as pure as the driven snow. How silly of me to forget this.
 
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harmesy 37 said:
Yeah, fair points...His argument that Carlton still believes in 2014 that the only way forward is to "rapaciously" "buy players, coaches or even clubs" is clearly an anochronism...and an inaccurate one at that. The only example in the last 15-20 years I can think of where the club went out of their way to "buy a player" was to get Chris Judd...and that was clearly justified considering he wanted to return to Victoria and he had 3-4 clubs he reviewed.

How can they buy a Dangerfield and a Ablett and a Gray all at once when there is a salary cap? Surely Niall realises Carlton (especially after what happened in 2001) knows that there is a salary cap. On top of that, with the AFL's policy of plying money into North Melbourne (over 12 mill) and Hawthorn (tasmanian deal)etc, Carlton even if there wasn't a salary cap is in such a weakened financial situation that it couldn't buy all those players anyway.

He inaccurately states....

"It has taken two decades of under-performance, but Carlton people at all levels are finally recognising that they have been culturally hidebound, and that the rapacious old ways - buying players, coaches or even clubs - won't cut it. The penny is dropping, including for the club board."

So in 2014 Carlton finally realised it couldn't buy players to get success?
What a nut.

People read this drivel and think that Carlton is what he states. It is a shame that this type of article is still written.
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Interesting to note that just a couple of months ago, when Tom Boyd was there to be lured to whichever Victorian club was prepared to throw the biggest sack of money at him, the "rapacious" Carlton FC didn't even make a bid. It was the Bulldogs who beat everyone to the punch!
 
harmesy 37 said:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-and-the-culture-club-20141206-121qw9.html

Another bitter attack on Carlton and its "money" culture. The article had some good points, but single-ing out Carlton as a club that buys success is clearly incorrect.

Apparently we are led to believe by Jack Niall (yet another person in the media) that the only club that used "chequebook recruiting" in the VFL/AFL during the 1970s to the 1990s was Carlton. Apparently Hawthorn never recruited John Platten, Buckenara, Abbot, Jarman, Ben Allan and Darren Pritchard amongst many others. North never recruited Barry Cable, Glendinning and Malcolm Blight - those guys never played in the VFL apparently and they never were lured over by money.

Poor recruiting is only part of the problem, what about the AFL head office's attitude towards Carlton in relation to other clubs?
Has this writer analysed why North Melbourne gets over 10 million in AFL funding more than Carlton since 2006. Could that impact on how a team goes perhaps? 10 million in the bank surely helps. Why did Hawthorn get the Tasmanian deal alone etc from the AFL? Let's write an article on why elements of the AFL doesn't consider Carlton a key plank in its growth. That would be an interesting article.
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FFS, just how many times are they going to drag this story out of the fridge, reheat and serve up? Jake Niall has done so several times. He is a bona fide hack.
 
Big Sim said:
FFS, just how many times are they going to drag this story out of the fridge, reheat and serve up? Jake Niall has done so several times. He is a bona fide hack.
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They've done it often enough now, for most opposition supporting fans to be able to mimic the words beautifully.


"They've never embraced the draft," said one veteran recruiter, echoing the long-held views of most within the AFL's list-management fraternity.
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Never? Not in 2005, 2006, 2007..............................2012, 2013, 2014. Never?

Carlton have not traded for an extra first-round draft pick in 14 years.
Collingwood, meanwhile, for all its recent warts, has had seven top-20 picks over the past three post-seasons, eight if you count the swapping of Heath Shaw for Taylor Adams.
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This statement in particular is somewhat stupid...

For which player exactly has Collingwood willingly traded out for a first round pick?
Thomas? Beams? Haven't several others left because they didn't wish to stay at Collingwood?
Have we not tried to move players on without significant interest? Should have we moved on Gibbs & Murphy to gain these wonderful picks?
Which players have Hawthorn or Geelong happily traded out for a first round selection?

Of course there's some facts in the article but it's not that hard to get it 100% right and not just use a shotgun for effect.
 
harmesy 37 said:
Good points all round footyfan78. Niall has probably written some good articles, but this isn't one of them. Jon Pierik for the most part writes better articles on Carlton. Perhaps Niall should reassess his writings on the topic of Carlton.

However, didn't Carlton trade Fevola to Brisbane for Henderson and a first round pick? Selection 12?
That would qualify as a trade for a first rounder wouldn't it? Or perhaps not for Niall.

That trade occured within the last 14 years unless I am mistaken.

Or according to Niall, perhaps this didn't happen just like North Melbourne never bought Doug Wade from Geelong with the use of brown paper bags full of money under the table, that Malcolm Blight wasn't lured from SA with money from North, the Krakeour brothers must have only ever played in Western Australia as apparently North Melbourne never lured recruits with money...only Carlton. etc.
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Yep, Essendon never brought Antrobus, Buhagiar, Anderson , Baker and Duckworth to Essendon from interstate with a cheque book and tried to get Bradley too. Geelong did not bring Brian Peake, Melbourne did not bring Peter Moore and Templeton with cheque book. St.Kilda did not bring Narkle, Winmar etc. with cheque book. Footscray did not bring McGuiness, Purser and Beasley. Richmond did not bring Mitchell, Wiley, Rioli etc with cheque book. Swans did not bring Neagle, Toohey, Healy and Williams with cheque book.
Hawks did not bring Judge, Buckenara, Jarman, Platten, Pritchard etc with cheque book.

It is laughable the spin he puts on it. We just stood out as doing best at what was the way things done back then. oh well. What can you expect from bitter supporters jealous back then and make a career as a writer.

Anyway I think you are right about the Fevola trade from memory. I thought we got pick 11 or something which ended up being Kane Lucas in the draft.
Having said that. That trade was all about getting rid of Fevola because of the Brownlow night fiasco being last straw rather than trading to get a early draft pick. Technically it was not a designed trade. Lions just offered something serious more than 2 or 3 other clubs. I remember Bradshaw and Rischetelli was the first attempt. Terrible stuff by Lions. Thank god we ended up getting Henderson and he has developed into a good footballer after a number of seasons. It was when Ratten moved him to backline that he actually found his feet. He struggled for a bit at first up forward. Now he has learnt to play both ends equally as well.
 
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