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"Celebrating" the ANZACs
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The Melbourne Cup is big in SA and NT. Bigger than the Adelaide cup in fact.
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Err I've worked in Sydney for ages and every year we stop to watch the race. Plenty of people have afternoon's off to go to various Melbourne Cup events around the city.
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And I assume its point was to suggest hypocrisy? I can't see what else it would be trying to say. And if such is the case, then I feel it's extremely ignorant.
Started by the Ottoman Empire joining WWI on the side of Germany and Austria-Hungary.
The intention of the Gallipoli campaign was not to conquer land or to subjugate anyone or even to get rid of the Ottoman Empire. It was win quickly and force the Ottoman Empire to withdraw from the war.
And open Sea Lanes to Russia.
I suspect the whole birth of a nation thing comes from the fact that everyone in Australia prior to WW1 considered themselves British. We were part of the Empire after all, and most settlers here came from British stock. Being as isolated as we were, everyone happily carried on being British and probably presuming we were pretty much the same as the British still in Britain.
The War comes along, and many of our good British subjects sign up to fight for Britain (with a European adventure thrown in). By the end of the War, those left alive have realised that we are in fact not the same as the British from Britain at all in our attitudes, behaviour etc, and thus is born the attitude of being something other (and better) than British, though still happily part of the Empire.
As to why Gallipoli in particular, I guess that was the first time a mass of British Australians were in a position to see themselves in contrast to the British British for an extended period, and the birth of the notion of being our own thing. The rest of the war simply entrenched this notion.
That's my theory anyway!
It consistently bemuses me that anyone could think a purpose is served by revering a bunch of long-dead farmboys, who volunteered to go halfway around the world to kill a bunch of people they'd never heard of. Everything about ANZAC Day is tacky and distasteful.
Easily the most idiotic holiday of the year, which says a fair bit when we also have days to worship a virgin birth and celebrate a zombie. I'll be enjoying a nice sleep in.
Easily the most idiotic holiday of the year, which says a fair bit when we also have days to worship a virgin birth and celebrate a zombie. I'll be enjoying a nice sleep in.
With an attitude like that Ceaser , that's why the Bulldogs don't play any BLOCKBUSTERS.
ah, so when you have nothing to say about the content, you go the cheap route and make a mockery of the team he happens to display on his avatar....
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Sorry, guilty as charged. Could of been posting a little irresponsibly last night for some reason, happy to cop it and get thread back on track.
Probably not I expect, though we would probably give assistance of some sort depending on the exact circumstances.
That doesn't mean it was wrong to do it 100 years ago though.
I don't mind the day being celebrated as a day of remembering being thankful for the land we are on and all that sort of thing. I take issue with it being a money making day for some people (those that exploit the day for their own financial benefit).
I take issue with Anzac day football because of the promotion behind it "two teams going to war on a football field" very bad choice of words.
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Depends if we got made to 'help' ie: conscripted
Question Id like to put out there - if ISIS were to get to a point where they were a real threat to everyone's livelihood (eg: security of nuclear weapons compromised, massive scale terrorist attacks happening very frequently) would you go fight them?
Personally, I would think about it.
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The only tacky and distasteful thing is your post. The day is about remembrance for all Australians who have given their lives in the nation's interests and causes.
It's on the date of the Gallipoli landing, but it's to mark those lost in all wars.
Do you have the same opinion of those who died in horrific conditions on the Kokoda track trying to defend us from ground invasion? Those who hit the ground in Europe and drove the Nazis back?
The day may have been hijacked by celebrating bogans and opportunistic politicians and corporations, but that in no way makes it "idiotic" at the core. Get a clue.
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It would depend on the cause - people can make that sort of decision today because we're much better informed.
I think if there were a call to arms against an enemy like the Third Reich or Islamic State then yes, you'd get quite a lot of enlistees.
In any case, warfare has changed with technology and isn't simply a case of "send more men" any more, so it's probably a moot question. A guy pressing buttons at a base in England today could do more damage on the continent than 1000 tommies could have in 1915.
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RE the bolded... every single soldier who went to Gallipoli had volunteered to go. Every single one. It was a volunteer army, a lot of whom went on to fight on the Western Front. Also, the Australian infantry were, as a result of the efforts at Gallipoli and especially on the Western Front, rated as the best infantry in the world, at the time. They were not "sent to the other side of the world to die painfully and probably petrified", they were young men who volunteered by and large because they wanted an adventure.
Afterwards, a lot of them completely disagreed with the premise of the landing, and of fighting the Turks, but none of them were there against their will, and none of them were the scared little mice you are implying. They were, as I stated, the best infantry in the world.
As to the "incompetence of their superiors" bit? Again, myth. Their superiors (Aussies and English) landed exactly where they planned, and the whole attack was actually very well thought out. There were two things that went wrong:
1. Rain delayed the landing by several days, meaning they had less cover of dark under which to attack. Had they attacked on the designated day, several days earlier, they would've had a couple of hours more darkness under which to surprise the Turks.
2. A traitor, who had been locked up after an English sub had been captured, gave all the details of our landing to the Turks. As a result, a LOT more men were there waiting than otherwise would've been the case.
The plan was actually a good one, though risky. Had the above two things not happened, we very likely would've taken the hill, and therefore taken out the armaments on the edge of the Dardanelle's (which was the target) so that the ships could freely sail to Constantinople, helping to provide provisions for the troops fighting the Germans, and also attack the Germans from the back. Also, the Aussie soliders would've got to party in Constantinople.
So, that straightens you up a bit on the facts of the thing.
As to how it's remembered? ANZAC day is symbolic because WWI is seen as the coming of age of Australia on the national stage, due to great fighting under terrible circumstances at Gallipoli, and due to outstanding fighting on the Western Front. It has therefore become about more than just the diggers at WWI, because now ALL ANZAC soldiers are remembered, from all wars. So, it is more than it started out being. It is no longer just about Gallipoli, and it is therefore over simplifying the issue to suggest that Australia celebrates scared diggers at Gallipoli. We celebrate, and pay great respect and tribute to, all Australian soldiers who have fought over the civilised history of Australia.
Can you elaborate upon this? Wouldn't a delay of several days have brought sunrise forward by only 15 minutes or so?
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