Wade isn't the worst keeper, plenty worse than him.
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Wade isn't the worst keeper, plenty worse than him.
Yeah but they're not in contention to keep for Australia
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I'd rather s**t in my hands and clap than even talk about Christian coming into the team.
Not in First Class cricket there aren't.
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Sure. But calls for 4-5 changes, to a winning team that is already depleted, are over the top.
Burns for Mitch Marsh. Harris for Starc. Who else warrants a spot at the moment?
People talk about axing Haddin, presumably for Wade. That change will happen soon enough. But given the question marks about if and when Clarke will play again, is rushing to replace another experienced player in Haddin really such a smart move?
No - not a smart move and that's why it won't happen.
Carters, Handscomb etc...
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He isn't test standard yet. That is sort of the point.
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So two batsmen....you realise Peter Nevill keeps for NSW and Wade keeps for Victoria right?
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People don't seem to have any sense of timing. They want wholesale changes six months before an Ashes series. Those changes will come after so why rush them through prematurely?
Hazlewood has been introduced and now Burns. Maybe someone else will get picked to tour the West Indies. This transition is happening in a way that is calculated to equip us to win the Ashes and then regenerate after. The suggestion that we should do it all at once and make 4-5 changes for Boxing Day is absurd.
If some people had their way, we'd head into the Ashes with Smith leading a side including 4-5 guys with less than 10 Tests to their name. Does that sound like a recipe for success?
And then in the likely event of failure, they'd want all those new guys immediately dropped for a new batch of new guys even less accomplished than the players they'd be replacing.
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Well yes of course but people have been suggesting those two could be the next keeper after Haddin. Someone has got to keep when Wade isn't available, which is Handscomb.
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People have no idea suggesting either Carters or Handscomb as keepers, both are horrific behind the stumps. Is Wade better than those two, maybe but really those two aren't and won't be in the selectors minds. Wade's keeping needs serious work, a few ODI's doesn't change the fact his footwork is far from natural and this breaks down in test cricket. My preference is to just cop Haddin for a year, put Whiteman in for the first test in Brisbane, he can bat and his keeping is miles better than Wade. We can't have a keeper who is at best a 6 or 7 out of 10 attempts at a catch in Wade. Would rather someone who is a 9/10 in Whiteman. Hartley is the best but Whiteman isn't far off and he can bat well.
lol, I reckon if Wade actually still played for his native state then about 95% of the support he has on here would instantly disappear.
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Plus Lyon would have 20+ more test wickets. I'm hardly Lyon's biggest fan, but jeez Wade fluffed some chances off him!
Yep he's a hack keeping to the spinners.
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Some people think this is a computer game where you can make five changes and all the players just go on as if nothing happened. s**t like that affects team morale massively. What some people are asking to do would effectively created an entirely new team environment in a matter of a weeks. That is not conducive to good cricket. It never has been. You'd end up with a situation where the only blokes not batting for their careers are Smith and Warner. Once again, not conducive to run scoring. Lets not forget that this would only add pressure onto Smith and Warner who would already be well aware of how important it is for them to score runs for us to build a total.
Then there are all the little team oriented things that can take time to instil - How do other blokes run between wickets, recognising when someone's concentration is drifting in the field, recognising when a batting partner is getting a little over excited and taking the strike off him for a few overs.
As you say, we are seeing a small transition of players coming into the team (M Marsh, S Marsh, Haze, Burns - two of which came in because of injury) leading into our biggest series, and that is the correct way to go about it.
In any case, there is almost certainly going to be a major reshuffle to the top seven after the Ashes given the age profile and/or form of some players. But doing it before should be a last choice option, and - outside of that UAE tour - this team is still winning a lot more than it's losing even though there are obvious weak spots in the team.
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Just spinners? You implying he is good to the quicks? Passable I'll grant, but good? Honestly he should dump the gloves, have a crack as a specialist bat. Potential there. Whiteman is the next keeper, would be happy with a Tom Triffitt/Peter Nevill or even a Hartley short term.
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Those two have very good chances to be test cricketers as batsmen. Neither are good enough to be keepers at test level. Carters is especially dire behind the stumps.
Um no, he's just particularly s**t for spinners, ordinary for fast bowlers.
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And do it six months before an Ashes series. That's the important/crazy part.
I think change will come with a real rush after the Ashes, when we have 14 Tests against Bangladesh, the West Indies, NZ and Sri Lanka. At that point, by all means throw the pendulum toward youth. That will be an exciting time - it will be the emergence of 'Smith's side' rather than him babysitting 'Clarke's side'. But there's no need to shoot your load so early.
Because if people want an Australian side that can beat England in England, they should be a bit more realistic about whether a team with 5-6 rookies is likely to do that. Imagine a side with no Rogers, no Watson, no Haddin, no Siddle. Then Clarke and Harris break down. Good luck with that. Imagine the tantrums that would ensue on here if we went over with such an experienced side and got belted - squandering a golden opportunity to twist the knife into English cricket - probably from the same people demanding premature and wholesale changes to a side that is actually winning.
I'm a bit worried about the Kiwi series but yes after the Ashes is the time to move people on.
The same Tom Triffitt without a state contract? Not your finest call.
i think joe burns is appart of the future of this team. they are bringing it forward. he's been scoring runs this year and deserves his spot. good thing about it is there are plenty there are waiting
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Agreed.
No doubt there is pressure on Haddin and Watson.
If Had's can't start at least breaking into the 20's and 30's once a test then it'll test the selectors resolve, but they definitely want him in England.
Even though Watson is scoring more runs, he is probably under a little more pressure than Haddin, and the injury to M Marsh hasn't helped. If Burns and S Marsh score runs, then he'll probably find himself on the outer when M Marsh returns, and if Clarke comes back then Watson will be under even more pressure. I can't see him missing the Ashes tour completely though, unless it reaches the point where he can barely make it to 20.
Both score a ton in Melbourne or Sydney and that's an Ashes ticket booked.
I think Rogers is probably safe for England.
All in all it's a real pickle for selectors what to do with this top seven. But like I said, it's not great, but it's not in a dire state of affairs just yet.
There is definite chance that none of Haddin, Watson and Rogers line up for first test post Ashes. In fact it's probably a better chance than one or more lining up in that test.
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