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Opinion Changes for Showdown

Discussion in 'Port Adelaide - Est. 1870' started by HugeJohnson, Apr 21, 2012.

Put it out there
  1. HugeJohnson

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    Out: Butcher/D.Stewart, Broadbent, Gray

    In: Young, Logan, Phillips/Rodan

    We're too tall and Butcher and Stewart just aren't doing enough. Westhoff usually plays well in Showdowns and hasn't been too bad. Thought Jacobs was good so he stays in.

    Cassisi is very lucky he's captain. I'd almost be dropping Hartlett or Pearce as well but we have no one to replace them with who will perform any better.

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  2. PJ Power

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    Out: Primus

    In: whoever else actually understands the basics of football.


    Real outs:
    Broadbent - that was truly woeful.
    Gray

    Ins:
    Young
    Salopek - won't do any good

    Butcher - really not up to AFL level this year, but the delivery to him is attrocious.
  3. Byron!!!

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    Out: Primus, Broadbent, Gray (if injured)
    In: Rodan, Logan
  4. PowerKat

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    Out: D Stew. Looks like Jane plays like Jane.
    Gray :(
    In: Don't care
  5. Marto_

    Marto_ Yes We Ken

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    I think the tall forward structure in dry conditions can work but we aren't exploiting it anywhere near enough with tactics or skill. The passing is terrible and generally aimed at the pocket. The structure can work with a couple of talls at the top of the square and a crumber at the front of the pack. Very simple tactic, but executed correctly is hard to defend against.

    If we don't go with this sort of set up, it is hard to justify having 4 talls and in this case one must go. I would consider going 3 talls up forward (Schulz, Butch, D.Stew) and perhaps play Westhoff off a wing. I will never be convinced that Westhoff can be a KPP. He is a versatile tall who should play as a medium. With that in mind there are are any ne of a number of mids who could drop out to accomodate this.
  6. YoungsterPA

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    Drop d stew/hoff and see what happens with gray

    And bring in young And maybe Rodan
  7. Powerade 08

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    Out:
    Broadbent - slow, doesn't take his opportunities and won't make it
    Westhoff - been pathetic from his second year onwards
    Cassisi - no longer an important player, Trengove takes the captaincy for the week
    Gray

    In:
    Salopek
    Young
    Logan
    Rodan
  8. Marto_

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    Does Redden come back in this week at the expense of a tall forward?
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    Out - Gray, Boak, Schulz, Trengove,
    In - Myer, Matthew Westhoff, Lonie, O'shea

    What does it ******* matter the footy gods hate us we're going to get pumped by 10 goals...
  10. Ported

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    Can pretty much direct all those criticisms towards your first in unfortunately.
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    What I want --

    Out: Westhoff, Pearce, Cassisi, Gray

    In: Logan, Rodan, Young, Salopek

    What we'll get --

    Out: Gray

    In: Thomas

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  12. bringbackbucky

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    It really doesn't matter anymore. Until we can recruit guys who know how to one grab it and then hit a target we won't win anything.

    Some absolutely terrible coaching today...
  13. Ported

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    What's with all the Sal love?

    He just played a mediocre game in the snafl. Pearce executed shockingly, but he still took the game on and had an okay second half. He's pretty much our only player who can break lines consistently. Westoff was ho-hum, but not terrible, and is a more valuable type that Sal.
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    Pearce really wasn't that bad today. I'd hate to see us without him, we'd have even less run than we do now...

    Out: Gray :)()
    In: Young

    Only change for the moment but I'd love to see Redden in, maybe for D Stew. Westy on a wing/loose man in defence only.
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    The trouble is that none of our tall forwards is starring at present.

    Schulz is a very steady 10-12 possession, 5 mark, 2 goal forward. He is consistent, reliable and determined but he's not going to instill fear in the opposition or repeatedly put them under pressure by pulling down Cloke-like marks. He also plays far more as a conventional full forward than Tredrea ever did, and we don't have anyone playing the lead-up role across HF-wing at present.

    Butcher is extremely raw. He cannot function effectively in the air if there is a lack of space around him. He relies on playing from behind and swooping on his own crumbs. Hardly the way a power forward will dominate.

    Westhoff just succumbs to pressure too easily. Fine when positioned behind the ball, but with a guy a metre behind him, leading up to the play, he goes to ground too easily.

    Daniel Stewart is a tale of almost. He almost looked good today, but just didn't do enough to have any real effect on the contest.


    Basically, we're waiting for Butcher to develop into the power forward, so need to be most patient with him to get him the gametime and experience to develop quickly. In the meanwhile, we have steady old Jay, but unless we're hitting him lace-out with perfect passes, we'll have to accept 2-3 goals per game. Given the lack of scoring from our crumbing players or mids (Brad Ebert excepted) and now that Robbie is likely to be out for the rest of this year, it's fair to say that 2-3 goals per game from Jay will not be enough to beat decent sides.
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    3 Simple changes to defeat the crows

    IN
    Ebert: always plays well in showdowns
    Logan: Tommy's needed he always tries
    Rodan: we need the roadrunner badly why he was dropped in the first place is beyond me

    Out
    DStewart: Just cant cement his spot
    Broadbent: As above
    Gray: Knee

    EMG Salopek Thomas Young
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    i love it how the Outs are followed by a bunch of Ins who will most probably perform worse i.e Logan, Salopek
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    OUT: Broady, Gray, D Stewart (hopefully it will fire him up)
    IN: Young, Rodan, Redden (I think the combo with Renouf could work)
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    The way i see it King Tredrea is, i know who id rather have in the 'trenches' a player like Tommy rather than people who arent trying and thats the difference between winning and losing. We are so close its not funny just a few miner tweeks to our 22 and we will be winning against top sides.... starting next week against the cross town mungrels haha
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    i absolutely agree with this bit, but id love to know who in particular isnt trying?
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    In: Rodan, Redden, Logan (to turn 3-on-1 opposition forward lines into 3-on-2), Young (sub)
    Out: Gray (injured), Renouf, Westhoff (we have better forwards, better ruckmen and better wingmen), Broadbent (not a sub)

    Emg: Westhoff, Broadbent, Newton (all won't have SANFL games)
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    OUT: Gray, Broadbent, Westhoff, Renouf
    IN: Young, Ebert, Rodan, Redden
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    I mean more along the lines of Tommy who will throw himself into every contest and will fight to the 'death' where as there are a few that just dont do that
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    Out D Stew In Redden
    Out Broadbent In Young or Thomas
    Out Jacobs In Logan
    Out Gray :-( In Rodan or Phillips.
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    Pearce should be on the wing and in the centre. Only. No half back flank/quarterback crap. Leave that to Hartlett!