Christopher Pyne!!!

[mellowyellow]

I just checked out the U-tube skit, Star wars with Christopher Pyne. It is well done, LOL & well worth a look.

Seen it on insiders this morning and indeed it was very funny

 

[Dixie Flatline]

For those that missed it this morning.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Pyne has taken it with good grace.

 

[Docker Clint]

He's the sort of bloke who revels in being hated.

 

[kimp]

I imagine he has plenty of experience

 

[Bollox]

What kind of graduates are you employing? What is the frustration that you share with Pyne?
And what was going to fix this?

1. My own is reservoir engineering, and my sisters co. cannot get software engineers worth a damn.
2. Adequately funded tertiary institutions that can pay more for better staff...so they can import what we are poor at. Rather than us having to import what we are poor at producing.
i.e. Catching up to offshore standards. The gap in many fields is enormous...in others we are world class.

Placing quantity before quality, placing cheap before anything, placing "good enough" before "world class"...yeah thats the frustration i think i probably share with him.

Its shitty Australian employers and businesses that are to blame as much as underfunding.
The private sector in Aus is terrible at skills transference and innovation, preffering to import experience and IP.
Its a laziness and greed that seems to be entrenched in boomer culcha

Dumbest thing i;ve ever heard.
Blame the employers for not being able to get what they want ?
What you;re trying to say is that employers need to be lowering their standards to accept second rate...and so produce something second rate.
Thats an excellent threory...truly it is.
If you arent designing tertiary qualifications on a needs basis then all you end up producing are Manilla taxi drivers.

The moronic paranoia about 457 visa's preventing locals getting work is possibly the most embarassing rubbish you can read in here.

You want business to be non competitive so that you can employ locals ? ...so the business suffers and soon doesnt employ anyone ? What a wonderful world you live in.

Forgetting about my own companies grad program for a second...one of my sisters companies has perhaps 45-50 software engineers full time and i;d guess 35-40 would be here under 457's. You simply cannot get the talent here. her company is a world class educational software producer and they would simply move offshore if not for the 457 visa. Thousands of companies would.

So instead of advocating an IMPROVEMENT in tertiary standards you wish to lower the business standard...thanx for your help.

 

[AM]

He's the sort of bloke who revels in being hated.

Not sure he'll feel comforted by that - even if the fanciful comment was vaguely accurate - when come the next election he gets the boot.

That said, he'll be able to live the life of Riley (or Kylie) for the remainder of his days on his lucrative tax payer funded super. Not bad for a 48 year old oxygen thief.

 

[eastfreo75]

The issue at the moment, and it has been for some time, is that you can have all the enthusiasm you want, you can volunteer all that you want, but most jobs require you to job through hoops to get basic entry-level work. If you think it's hard to get a job with a degree, try getting one without. I am unemployed at the moment, I am looking for work, and I have seen basic jobs advertised that required 2 years experience. Many job ads explicitly say that volunteer experience doesn't count.

Yes I am calling you a liar.

Yes it is the tax payers loss when it is the graduates fault because they did not adequately prepare themselves to enter the workforce.

I have been unemployed twice long time. In my experience, full time work in the area that you love is hard to find but get smaller jobs ie Pizza delivery, cleaning jobs. Positive movements leads to more positive movement until you get a solid full time job.

Any in other ways, take the survive job.

By the way, it's not a great place to be without a job.

 

[SEN_Fan]

I have been unemployed twice long time. In my experience, full time work in the area that you love is hard to find but get smaller jobs ie Pizza delivery, cleaning jobs. Positive movements leads to more positive movement until you get a solid full time job.

Any in other ways, take the survive job.

By the way, it's not a great place to be without a job.

Good advice.

 

[RightorKhan]

1. My own is reservoir engineering, and my sisters co. cannot get software engineers worth a damn.
2. Adequately funded tertiary institutions that can pay more for better staff...so they can import what we are poor at. Rather than us having to import what we are poor at producing.
i.e. Catching up to offshore standards. The gap in many fields is enormous...in others we are world class.

Placing quantity before quality, placing cheap before anything, placing "good enough" before "world class"...yeah thats the frustration i think i probably share with him.


Dumbest thing i;ve ever heard.
Blame the employers for not being able to get what they want ?
What you;re trying to say is that employers need to be lowering their standards to accept second rate...and so produce something second rate.
Thats an excellent threory...truly it is.
If you arent designing tertiary qualifications on a needs basis then all you end up producing are Manilla taxi drivers.

The moronic paranoia about 457 visa's preventing locals getting work is possibly the most embarassing rubbish you can read in here.

You want business to be non competitive so that you can employ locals ? ...so the business suffers and soon doesnt employ anyone ? What a wonderful world you live in.

Forgetting about my own companies grad program for a second...one of my sisters companies has perhaps 45-50 software engineers full time and i;d guess 35-40 would be here under 457's. You simply cannot get the talent here. her company is a world class educational software producer and they would simply move offshore if not for the 457 visa. Thousands of companies would.

So instead of advocating an IMPROVEMENT in tertiary standards you wish to lower the business standard...thanx for your help.

Sounds like you just want more work for less like every other boomer conservative. Sucking as much as your staffs salary into your own as you can. The problem with your mentality is they don't just hand degrees out to a 99% majority of incompetent nobody's as your ridiculous mind believes. So you're clearly out of touch in regards to your expectations of skill standards. Those standards are derived from ATARS therefore I find it shocking that one old mere fool such as yourself can blatantly discredit them, and use your own mere subjective career experience to replace fact. Basically you have a lower value for your workers than the facts show. So pay them more, it's merely your view, greed, small minded feelings and lack of empathy that drives your incorrect sweatshop ideology.

It's possibly your incompetence as a business to express and relate to your staff exactly what you require and desire out of them. This also comes down to the recruiting ability of the employer in choosing the type of person/personality that suits their needs otherwise their own incompetent HR skills may result in them one day behaving like a baby even committing treason by hiring 457's despite it's profit pool coming from the very damn country it won't support.

This really is just a matter of one old campaigner not understanding how ATAR's work therefore believing no one is good enough, when the facts actually show that is everyone's academic ability population wide! Problem is you should understand this as you wouldn't be any smarter/superhuman yourself, typical boomer apathy issue, totally devoid of theory of mind.

 

[Sports Trader]

I've been telling anyone who listens.

What Australia needs more than anything else is a recession and a collapse in house-prices.

You get the recession, you get the double-figure unemployment, then you get the environment to put through much needed tax-reform and employment reform that will drive the economy and generate more jobs into the future.

A collapse in house prices reminds those that housing is for housing, not for wealth generation. It also serves as a reminder to those that the markets are not for the faint hearted. Dont play the game if you dont know the rules.

 

[SEN_Fan]

I've been telling anyone who listens.

What Australia needs more than anything else is a recession and a collapse in house-prices.

You get the recession, you get the double-figure unemployment, then you get the environment to put through much needed tax-reform and employment reform that will drive the economy and generate more jobs into the future.

A collapse in house prices reminds those that housing is for housing, not for wealth generation. It also serves as a reminder to those that the markets are not for the faint hearted. Dont play the game if you dont know the rules.

Why don't you focus on getting a job instead of blaming others?
WE live in a capitalist society, get over it.

 

[SEN_Fan]

Sounds like you just want more work for less like every other boomer conservative. Sucking as much as your staffs salary into your own as you can. The problem with your mentality is they don't just hand degrees out to a 99% majority of incompetent nobody's as your ridiculous mind believes. So you're clearly out of touch in regards to your expectations of skill standards. Those standards are derived from ATARS therefore I find it shocking that one old mere fool such as yourself can blatantly discredit them, and use your own mere subjective career experience to replace fact. Basically you have a lower value for your workers than the facts show. So pay them more, it's merely your view, greed, small minded feelings and lack of empathy that drives your incorrect sweatshop ideology.

It's possibly your incompetence as a business to express and relate to your staff exactly what you require and desire out of them. This also comes down to the recruiting ability of the employer in choosing the type of person/personality that suits their needs otherwise their own incompetent HR skills may result in them one day behaving like a baby even committing treason by hiring 457's despite it's profit pool coming from the very damn country it won't support.

This really is just a matter of one old campaigner not understanding how ATAR's work therefore believing no one is good enough, when the facts actually show that is everyone's academic ability population wide! Problem is you should understand this as you wouldn't be any smarter/superhuman yourself, typical boomer apathy issue, totally devoid of theory of mind.

Laughed out loud, Atars mean absolutely nothing in the end.

 

[Sports Trader]

Why don't you focus on getting a job instead of blaming others?
WE live in a capitalist society, get over it.

haha. I have never blamed anyone or anything. I am simply pointing out what IMO is best for the country in the medium to long-term.

I understand capitalism well. Hell, I am a sports trader. I know that for me to win, someone else has to lose.

But why should those who enter the housing market at the wrong time be except from feeling the pain of a price crash?

Free markets and all that?

 

[RightorKhan]

Laughed out loud, Atars mean absolutely nothing in the end.

I think you're missing the point of what they mean. ie. Display the academic ability of individuals nation wide. Expecting more than that is aloof and unrealistic.

 

[SEN_Fan]

I think you're missing the point of what they mean. ie. Display the academic ability of individuals nation wide. Expecting more than that is aloof and unrealistic.

Are you a high school teacher by any chance?

 

[Pie eyed]

I'm sure Rudd had one.

His psycho outbursts indicate he had issues.

I think his was in private and was leaked.
Pyne thinks his was a "good political performance".
The bloke is a danger to the country.

 

[Gus Poyet]

I think his was in private and was leaked.
Pyne thinks his was a "good political performance".
The bloke is a danger to the country.

Rudd flipped his s**t while getting ready for an on camera interview. I don't think that's considered private.

 

[madmug]

haha. I have never blamed anyone or anything. I am simply pointing out what IMO is best for the country in the medium to long-term.

I understand capitalism well. Hell, I am a sports trader. I know that for me to win, someone else has to lose.

But why should those who enter the housing market at the wrong time be except from feeling the pain of a price crash?

Free markets and all that?

I think we actually live in a mixed economic system. A bit capitalist & a bit socialist. At least that was the theory once upon a time.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

I've been telling anyone who listens.

What Australia needs more than anything else is a recession and a collapse in house-prices.

You get the recession, you get the double-figure unemployment, then you get the environment to put through much needed tax-reform and employment reform that will drive the economy and generate more jobs into the future.

A collapse in house prices reminds those that housing is for housing, not for wealth generation. It also serves as a reminder to those that the markets are not for the faint hearted. Dont play the game if you dont know the rules.

Incorrect, as housing prices fall the large investors stop building new dwellings in order to keep rents up and increase demand. thus raising prices back up.
using housing for wealth generation is all about the long term, the only people who get ****ed are mum and dad investors trying pay off their home loan. they are the first to be laid off, fall behind in payments, lose their house which allows people like myself to use the equity on my existing property's to get another house on the cheap.

you want to stop people like myself doing what i've been doing, A get rid of negative gearing, B put a downward incentive on foreign investment, C charge extra taxes for unoccupied dwellings, D get rid of the capital gains option for vacant land designated for housing to prevent people hanging on to empty lots.

crippling the economy in an attempt to fix housing is rather at odds with the phrase "safe as houses" the fact is a short term recession is meaningless to someone invested in housing, because in the long term the asset will always appreciate.

 

[RightorKhan]

Are you a high school teacher by any chance?

And are you *ed by any chance?

You're missing the part where your 150 IQ score isn't actually the mean average of the population. Get in touch with that fact. People aren't robots that merely exist to serve old miserable alcohol decrepit conservatives with low iq's that are inferior people in basically all aspects. Think Gina and her *ed father. these people are devoid of biological fundamentals that actually do make them inferior people, especially in terms of having political opinions. I guess the best way to describe what that means is they lack the mental requirements to be a part of society. No "theory of mind", and you don't want people with impaired cognitive understandings of others in the positions that some of these maniacs are in!

In terms of employee over-expectations and sweatshop yearnings, I sincerely doubt your IQ is 150, and that everyone you employ is dumber than you. So maybe if your mates sister is so competent and deserving whilst everyone else isn't in her eyes then she should run her own damn business and she how she goes in comparison. If overseas is what she wants then she can surrender her past career and start from scratch. That means wealth, experience, mainly no former networks/connections to baby her through starting up again. If she wants nothing to do with Australia then she can surrender everything she has built off of it. See how arrogant and confident she is then. Boy would I hate to have a menopausal boss who thinks I'm worthless despite overworking for her. The sheer nerve I would not be tolerant of her midlife crisis, I'd tell her to shut the * up and take some meds and get her hormones in check before slandering my work ability.

 

[madmug]

And are you ******ed by any chance?

You're missing the part where your 150 IQ score isn't actually the mean average of the population. Get in touch with that fact. People aren't robots that merely exist to serve old miserable alcohol decrepit conservatives with low iq's that are inferior people in basically all aspects. Think Gina and her ******ed father. these people are devoid of biological fundamentals that actually do make them inferior people, especially in terms of having political opinions. I guess the best way to describe what that means is they lack the mental requirements to be a part of society. No "theory of mind", and you don't want people with impaired cognitive understandings of others in the positions that some of these maniacs are in!

In terms of employee over-expectations and sweatshop yearnings, I sincerely doubt your IQ is 150, and that everyone you employ is dumber than you. So maybe if your mates sister is so competent and deserving whilst everyone else isn't in her eyes then she should run her own damn business and she how she goes in comparison. If overseas is what she wants then she can surrender her past career and start from scratch. That means wealth, experience, mainly no former networks/connections to baby her through starting up again. If she wants nothing to do with Australia then she can surrender everything she has built off of it. See how arrogant and confident she is then. Boy would I hate to have a menopausal boss who thinks I'm worthless despite overworking for her. The sheer nerve I would not be tolerant of her midlife crisis, I'd tell her to shut the **** up and take some meds and get her hormones in check before slandering my work ability.

Its called empathy. Companies & Managers that care about their employees, the community & the environment they work in are much healthier organisations & are much healthier for the nation. Both in a physical & mental sense.

 

[Docker Clint]

Not sure he'll feel comforted by that - even if the fanciful comment was vaguely accurate - when come the next election he gets the boot.

That said, he'll be able to live the life of Riley (or Kylie) for the remainder of his days on his lucrative tax payer funded super. Not bad for a 48 year old oxygen thief.

He'll have to live on that, unlike other pollies, there'll be no consulting work or private sector management. He's completely unemployable

 

[SEN_Fan]

And are you ******ed by any chance?

You're missing the part where your 150 IQ score isn't actually the mean average of the population. Get in touch with that fact. People aren't robots that merely exist to serve old miserable alcohol decrepit conservatives with low iq's that are inferior people in basically all aspects. Think Gina and her ******ed father. these people are devoid of biological fundamentals that actually do make them inferior people, especially in terms of having political opinions. I guess the best way to describe what that means is they lack the mental requirements to be a part of society. No "theory of mind", and you don't want people with impaired cognitive understandings of others in the positions that some of these maniacs are in!

In terms of employee over-expectations and sweatshop yearnings, I sincerely doubt your IQ is 150, and that everyone you employ is dumber than you. So maybe if your mates sister is so competent and deserving whilst everyone else isn't in her eyes then she should run her own damn business and she how she goes in comparison. If overseas is what she wants then she can surrender her past career and start from scratch. That means wealth, experience, mainly no former networks/connections to baby her through starting up again. If she wants nothing to do with Australia then she can surrender everything she has built off of it. See how arrogant and confident she is then. Boy would I hate to have a menopausal boss who thinks I'm worthless despite overworking for her. The sheer nerve I would not be tolerant of her midlife crisis, I'd tell her to shut the **** up and take some meds and get her hormones in check before slandering my work ability.

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[RightorKhan]

Its called empathy. Companies & Managers that care about their employees, the community & the environment they work in are much healthier organisations & are much healthier for the nation. Both in a physical & mental sense.

That's why these people irritate me so much, they act like they're born to rule yet they're just low class in the sense of their personalities and views being akin to white trash. Not to mention as you say treating your employees reasonably is actually beneficial for the employer. Working in an acceptable environment nullity's things such as that god awful workcover bosses hate so much not to mention sick leave and most importantly drive and overall productivity on the clock. When you give your employees the best circumstances and work environment aka mental well being, you get quality in return. Bosses lack theory of mind and are primitive emotional animals to say the least, therefore are mentally incapable of considering these benefits as they're immediately blocked by their stone age cynicism towards others and their own sense of entitlement. I've had good bosses and bad bosses and the bad ones always failed, always the volatile white trash convertible types as well. Creating distrust and negativity amongst their staff, young teenage staff don't understand such mental illness it's merely borderline abuse to them. Behavior from people like Lebbo73 and his Dad should be obvious to even them that they're spruiking a negative loser mentality that the healthier minds relegate and cringe towards, it's a mental illness that will never get anywhere.

The bottom end of our race takes it's failures out on the more mentally, harmonically advanced by isolating itself from an active social life, then trying to make up for it's failures through money and business. It's a very warped structure where people like this are in positions of power influencing proper society.