Cloke chasing contract extension (poll added)

Does Cloke deserve a contract extension?

  • Yes, just give it to him, we need to lock him in for beyond 2017

    Votes: 10 23.3%
  • No, not at all, he is over-paid and under-performing

    Votes: 7 16.3%
  • Prefer to wait and review season 2016

    Votes: 26 60.5%

  • Total voters
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mike123

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Do we? Our record without him is actually pretty damned good. Especially given that we've been an injury ravaged side in the last 4 seasons.

It really isn't.

You heard me. People need to let go. Our forward line becomes unpredictable without Cloke. It FORCES our midfield to look for options, it FORCES other players to step up.

People need to stop using Cloke as a scapegoat.

It might force us to look for other options, but it doesn't matter when those options aren't as half likely win the ball.

Go watch the Melbourne games last year.
 

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Then why do we win more games with him in the side?
He's not the answer. Hawthorn had him instead of Roughead we would be a chance to beat Hawthorn with him pissing the game away.
If Cloke wasn't there we would have to find another way to score like the rest of comp that seems to go ok without him!
 

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He's not the answer. Hawthorn had him instead of Roughead we would be a chance to beat Hawthorn with him pissing the game away.
If Cloke wasn't there we would have to find another way to score like the rest of comp that seems to go ok without him!

Without Cloke taking those contested grabs we wouldn't have had a chance to score anyways, he pissed a way the shots he created.
 
People need to stop using Cloke as a scapegoat.
Agreed. It is a team effort of the fwd line that didn't function last year.
Cloke is the one with the highest profile so he deserves the most scrutiny.
He is carried as a talisman which is the opposite of scapegoat but just as unfounded.
 

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Would love to see Clokey play out his career for the Pies. Most (if not all) clubs would love to have him on their list. Locking him away till 2019 would give us one forward line pillar to build around as our young list matures from 2016-19 (and we have a crack at premierships)

BUT....... it just has to be at the right price. He's just come off two average years, we cant afford for him to chew up a huge part of our cap. He's a good footballer and important to the CFC, however we cant be held over a barrel again.
 
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NP. The argument of Cox being light framed sort of answered that. That negates his height which would be the only reason for him to get the tallest.
The times of big monster forwards is coming to an end is the general consensus . Yet here we are trying to hold on to one that is over his peak, build our structures around him and I wonder the costs are worth it

He should be at his peak right now. He's 29 and getting top dollar. He has scaled nowhere near the heights pre 2012 and we should halve his next contract considering he will be 31 by the time it starts, or look to trade him.

Darcy looks like he could be a number 1 forward on limited exposure so maybe we can get a young number 2 forward and steak knives for Cloke. Freo would still have him in a heartbeat.
 

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He should be at his peak right now. He's 29 and getting top dollar. He has scaled nowhere near the heights pre 2012 and we should halve his next contract considering he will be 31 by the time it starts, or look to trade him.

Darcy looks like he could be a number 1 forward on limited exposure so maybe we can get a young number 2 forward and steak knives for Cloke. Freo would still have him in a heartbeat.

You miss 2013?
 

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In 2015 he kicked 17 goals in 3 games against skinny kids at St Kilda, GWS and Melbourne and 17 goals in 14 games against the rest including a pathetic 8 goals in 8 games against top 8 sides (flattered by kicking 3 against Richmond in one of those games).

These figures are crap and don't factor in his momentum killing misses on goal (remember the first Geelong game) and regular out on the fulls and his 2014 was little better either. For a player on the money he's on this output simply isn't close to being good enough and as far as I'm concerned he owes us a dramatically improved season (something akin to 2013) before he even mentions a contract extension.

If he delivers another dud year this year then that's 3 straight poor seasons which is more than enough to justify looking to trade him imo. We eventually bit the bullet on Tarrant after he under performed for years even though he was our highest profile forward and guess what? We got an AA small forward and an AA CHB for it.....oh and we won a premiership not too soon after without him.

No player is expendable or irreplaceable especially when they are no longer delivering for our club with a worrying regularity.
 
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In 2015 he kicked 17 goals in 3 games against skinny kids at St Kilda, GWS and Melbourne and 17 goals in 14 games against the rest including a pathetic 8 goals in 8 games against top 8 sides (flattered by kicking 3 against Richmond in one of those games).

These figures are crap and don't factor in his momentum killing misses on goal (remember the first Geelong game) and regular out on the fulls and his 2014 was little better either. For a player on the money he's on this output simply isn't close to being good enough and as far as I'm concerned he owes us a dramatically improved season (something akin to 2013) before he even mentions a contract extension.

If he delivers another dud year this year then that's 3 straight poor seasons which is more than enough to justify looking to trade him imo. We eventually bit the bullet on Tarrant after he under performed for years even though he was our highest profile forward and guess what? We got an AA small forward and an AA CHB for it.....oh and we won a premiership not too soon after without him.

No player is expendable or irreplaceable especially when they are no longer delivering for our club with a worrying regularity.

This is my major concern as well, most of his goals come against weak opposition. He doesn't kick goals when you really need them like a true 'marquee' forward should.
 

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This is my major concern as well, most of his goals come against weak opposition. He doesn't kick goals when you really need them like a true 'marquee' forward should.
Remember our crucial rounds 13-5 where we lost narrowly to Freo, Hawks and Port?

What did Cloke deliver?

A pathetic 1 goal and 4 behinds. Where was this powerhouse forward then when we actually bloody needed him to stand up for his club and earn his big dollars and justify his reputation?

I was a big fan of Trav's until the Port Adelaide game when he basically had zero impact on the game and went missing yet again when we needed him most. People moan about delivery and the umpires etc but I've yet to see Travis make any alterations to his game to combat these problems and make himself a better player and will himself to have an impact, particularly the games against quality defences. He's a one trick pony at the moment and if he isn't monstering a lighter opponent one out, within 25m of goal then he isn't doing much at all.
 
In 2015 he kicked 17 goals in 3 games against skinny kids at St Kilda, GWS and Melbourne and 17 goals in 14 games against the rest including a pathetic 8 goals in 8 games against top 8 sides (flattered by kicking 3 against Richmond in one of those games).
These figures are crap and don't factor in his momentum killing misses on goal (remember the first Geelong game) and regular out on the fulls and his 2014 was little better either. For a player on the money he's on this output simply isn't close to being good enough and as far as I'm concerned he owes us a dramatically improved season (something akin to 2013) before he even mentions a contract extension.

If he delivers another dud year this year then that's 3 straight poor seasons which is more than enough to justify looking to trade him imo. We eventually bit the bullet on Tarrant after he under performed for years even though he was our highest profile forward and guess what? We got an AA small forward and an AA CHB for it.....oh and we won a premiership not too soon after without him.

No player is expendable or irreplaceable especially when they are no longer delivering for our club with a worrying regularity.
You beat me to it. I was just doing some research on footywire on his 2015 myself.
Per game statistics
Season Split statistics
In our losses, Clokes doesn't score much. In our wins, Clokes has a few spikes but nothing outstanding either. His highs are 17 goals against Melbourne, GWS and Saints (7,5,5). The next highest is 3 in the close loss against Richmond , 4 x 2 goals and the rest 1 or nothing.
In perspective, that 'rest' is half of the season where he hardly hurted the scoreboard. We lost 7 out of those 9. He had overall 2 Goal assists in the losing games.
The 3 mentioned high scoring games make up for half of his seasons tally.
The games where he didn't play, we won 2 out of 5 but lost against Dogs, Demons. Essendon we should have been able to put away without Cloke ( damning team effort end of season ), the Dogs with Clokes presence we would have lost anyway I reckon and Demons undecided yet. We got them first time due bad coaching from Roos and Cloke and Oxley having a field day.
 
how many times in the big games is cloke swamped with defenders. how do you kick goals if u are
being mugged. our other forwards have to start being dangerous. he cannot do it alone, and lets be real here,
passing into the forward line against the better teams was pretty horrendous and I would expect even the greats of the past
to do bugger all against 2-3 defenders and the ball delivered in a skyscraper type of delivery.
chf is his go not full forward
and yes l hope the club does consider a couple extra years some time soon for the big fella
 
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how many times in the big games is cloke swamped with defenders. how do you kick goals if u are
being mugged. our other forwards have to start being dangerous. he cannot do it alone, and lets be real here,
passing into the forward line against the better teams was pretty horrendous and I would expect even the greats of the past
to do bugger all against 2-3 defenders and the ball delivered in a skyscraper type of delivery.
chf is his go not full forward
and yes l hope the club does consider a couple extra years some time soon for the big fella

Why is it only Travis Cloke who has this problem of being caught with 2 or 3 on him all game, you never hear any of the other big name forwards having this happen all the time.

If you want to take the big contract you have to stand up in big games. You can't have an 800-900k player deliver nothing in half the games he plays.
 

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In 2015 he kicked 17 goals in 3 games against skinny kids at St Kilda, GWS and Melbourne and 17 goals in 14 games against the rest including a pathetic 8 goals in 8 games against top 8 sides (flattered by kicking 3 against Richmond in one of those games).

These figures are crap and don't factor in his momentum killing misses on goal (remember the first Geelong game) and regular out on the fulls and his 2014 was little better either. For a player on the money he's on this output simply isn't close to being good enough and as far as I'm concerned he owes us a dramatically improved season (something akin to 2013) before he even mentions a contract extension.

If he delivers another dud year this year then that's 3 straight poor seasons which is more than enough to justify looking to trade him imo. We eventually bit the bullet on Tarrant after he under performed for years even though he was our highest profile forward and guess what? We got an AA small forward and an AA CHB for it.....oh and we won a premiership not too soon after without him.

No player is expendable or irreplaceable especially when they are no longer delivering for our club with a worrying regularity.

Sam Fisher skinny?

Tom McDonald was in AA form till Cloke tore him a new one, and Lynden Dunn is pretty experienced.

And your Richmond example doesn't add up, they have Rance one of the best one on one defenders in the game.

The Geelong game was lost when Bucks decided to line up Jack Frost on Tom Hawkins.

And when Tarrant left we still had Rocca and Cloke was developing, our key forward stocks were fine then. We have Cloke and White? Don't get me started on him. Moore? Not ready to be on his own yet.

Remember our crucial rounds 13-5 where we lost narrowly to Freo, Hawks and Port?

What did Cloke deliver?

A pathetic 1 goal and 4 behinds. Where was this powerhouse forward then when we actually bloody needed him to stand up for his club and earn his big dollars and justify his reputation?

In the Freo, Luke McPharlin has a good record on Cloke and Freo are a very good defensive team. The Hawthorn game Cloke had an inaccurate night, he has one games every year unfortunately it was this one. But I said before, he created those opportunities in the first place by ragdolling Brian Lake (not a skinny defender) so we wouldn't have been better off without him.

I was a big fan of Trav's until the Port Adelaide game when he basically had zero impact on the game and went missing yet again when we needed him most.

It was pissing down rain, not a key forwards night. The needed him the most doesn't apply, its our inside mids that we need to step up. Unfortunately they were switched off for the first quarter and De Goey was the sub for some reason.

People moan about delivery

Why do you think people moan about delivery?

Have you ever thought maybe it was because our delivery is s**t to him.

What do you expect Cloke do to when the ball is constantly dropping short of him, kicked over his head or bombed to him when his got three defenders on him?

but I've yet to see Travis make any alterations to his game to combat these problems and make himself a better player and will himself to have an impact, particularly the games against quality defences.

Do you have any suggestions? I see allot of posters saying this but don't actually offer say what he should do.

He's a one trick pony at the moment and if he isn't monstering a lighter opponent one out, within 25m of goal then he isn't doing much at all.

As I explained before, he can out muscle real opponents.

If he's not out muscling them, he's on his bike taking marks up the field averaged 6.6 and in the so called three games we needed him most he averaged 7.
 

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Why is it only Travis Cloke who has this problem of being caught with 2 or 3 on him all game, you never hear any of the other big name forwards having this happen all the time.

Most other big game forwards have suitable partners that take the pressure off them, Cloke does not and hasn't for a while.
 
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Most other big game forwards have suitable partners that take the pressure off them, Cloke does not and hasn't for a while.

True.

Reid was a massive lost for the past two seasons. Moore will improve. Grundy and Witts will continue to slowly develop as occaiosnal forward targets. And Howe as a medium forward may be handy.

White will therefore be not the only option
 
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Most other big game forwards have suitable partners that take the pressure off them, Cloke does not and hasn't for a while.

You bag Jesse White but White only kicked 7 goals less than Cloke this year, when we went to him probably half the time we went to Cloke and he's on 500k less.

You shouldn't have to make excuses for someone on Cloke's money.
 

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You bag Jesse White but White only kicked 7 goals less than Cloke this year,

Only 7? That's actually quite a significant number. He also played one more game then Cloke. If the both played full years Cloke would have kicked 11 more goals. You can't really say White got close.

And also that's not taking into account all the limp efforts White puts when he allows his defender to intercept mark.

when we went to him probably half the time we went to Cloke and he's on 500k less.

Hopefully next year we don't target him at all.

You shouldn't have to make excuses for someone on Cloke's money.

They're not excuses, they're reasons.

And you haven't disputed those reasons.
 

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Without Cloke taking those contested grabs we wouldn't have had a chance to score anyways, he pissed a way the shots he created.
We don't kick long to him anyway. We play a style that doesn't suit him. We would be a better team with someone else there when kicking for goal.
 
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