Coaching Panel Discussion

[Mattrox]

It's easy to kick big scores vs those teams though, that's where the majority of our points for have come from..
Not because Bickley has our forward line functioning like a machine..

We play that risky footy that let's you score big, against the poor teams it results in us opening them up..
The rest of the time, our forward line functions poor..

Yes going the other way we get smashed with goals from turnovers, that wasn't the issue though..

Yes it is easy to kick big scores against those teams.

But

1) every other club plays those teams too.

2) some games we lost due to kicking too many behinds, not from lack of scoring shots

3) We must have conceeded nearly the most goals from turnovers this year. Fix this and we win way more games, even some where we don't get to 100 points.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Is Adelaide Oval going to be regarded as a high scoring ground?

 

[spexau]

Need to fix the midfield's movement patterns when moving out of defence. We turn the ball over at half back far too often and too consistently because the players ahead of the ball carriers rarely move and create space for each other. Then the defender runs out of options and either turns the ball over by hand or kicks to a pack situation near the wing or to a dubious one on one where it's easy for the opposition team to mop up and rebound. Our midfielders rarely lead up to the ball carrier and it's damn frustrating.

 

[The Karma Bus]

Yes it is easy to kick big scores against those teams.

But

1) every other club plays those teams too.

2) some games we lost due to kicking too many behinds, not from lack of scoring shots

3) We must have conceeded nearly the most goals from turnovers this year. Fix this and we win way more games, even some where we don't get to 100 points.

We downhill ski on those teams..
Others teams don't as much..
Our style suits opening those teams up as well..

Against even marginally better opposition our scores drop right back to the pack and are poor vs the better teams..
Distorted figures..
Against even the low to mid range clubs, we perform no better than others do - it's only against the weak clubs we excel..
My main initial point was that our forward line does not function well, we don't even lead or know how to, or how to create space, or how to....

That's not to say we don't have other issues such as the defensive minded part of our midfield and scores from turnovers as you've mentioned..

 

[conVINCEd]

Spot on, spexau.

Seems so obvious. Our midfielders and forwards don't work hard enough to lead and give the ball carrier and option - hell, not just an option - maintaining possession and moving the ball forward is the flipping point of the game.

Is it a lack of fitness or decent strategy; probably both.

 

[Tex Danger]

Im 90% sure when Bickley was made forwards coach it was said it was because in modern footy the forward coach role is also significantly about ball movement into the forward line and thats why his midfield experience was relevant there.

To mentor the key forwards to become better forwards is perhaps more of a specialist role in itself and you see a lot of clubs may have a past champion come to the club weekly or sporadically to help that, even if just for a particular player.

This would to me then suggest the mid coach's main role is more about the stoppages and set ups, this obviously then gels with the fwd coach when considering exit strategies from here to link in with the entry strategy up fwd.

Also, just as a food coach (especially when thinking the strategic side) may not have been a top level player, this is relevant to players transferring their coaching into other areas. If he has a good footy brain theres no reason he can't come up with sound fwd strategy, especially in the framework outlined above.

Im not saying Bicks should or shouldn't stay as fwd coach (as recent posts said, these broader areas could be definitely argued to be a weakness), but just trying to put some context into why a forward coach (not just Bickley but Edwards at port, etc) may not necessarily be a froward himself.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I consider minimal changes to be any scenario in which the words "internal shuffle" are used, and where Camporeale still has a job at the AFC. For all the rumours about his departure, they're still just that. Bickley should leave. He was employed under Craig and our forward line has never been remarkable. Competent at times, but not remarkable.

Those are the big changes that need to happen. That, and a good appointment as Senior Assistant.

Something is not working, so changes need to be made!

Our structures are often out of kilter - how often have we been killed by opposition players on the outside, leading to slingshot goals on the break...

How often have we been slow to adjust when the opposition has a run on...

How often have we not reacted to manning up the opposition's loose man who is doing more damage than ours...

We lack both match-day & non-match day smarts in the coaching box - this will not improve by not making significant changes to the current coaching setup.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Need to fix the midfield's movement patterns when moving out of defence. We turn the ball over at half back far too often and too consistently because the players ahead of the ball carriers rarely move and create space for each other. Then the defender runs out of options and either turns the ball over by hand or kicks to a pack situation near the wing or to a dubious one on one where it's easy for the opposition team to mop up and rebound. Our midfielders rarely lead up to the ball carrier and it's damn frustrating.

Need to improve two way running

How many times did we turn over the ball in the corridor ? ......i counted at least 6-7 times ....completely different to turning the ball over on the wings

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Something is not working, so changes need to be made!

Our structures are often out of kilter - how often have we been killed by opposition players on the outside, leading to slingshot goals on the break...

How often have we been slow to adjust when the opposition has a run on...

How often have we not reacted to manning up the opposition's loose man who is doing more damage than ours...

We lack both match-day & non-match day smarts in the coaching box - this will not improve by not making significant changes to the current coaching setup.

Interesting that Geelong turned the ball over as frequently as us, due to influx of kids this season

Seems the Geelong / Adelaide gameplan is reliant on having an experienced team able to make experienced decisions

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Geelong in the last decade has always played a high risk / high reward type of game and because they okay highway footy they also turn the ball over in dangerous parts of the ground

The difference is Geelong's ability to defend their turn overs

We need to get fitter and improve our structures

 

[mattymac]

Sando says attack is not the issue. So Bicks is going nowhere

 

[mattymac]

He's on 5arseclown right now btw

 

[MRB37]

Sounds half deluded.

"Oh, we won as many quarters as Geelong did".

And says there's no issue with effort in the squad.

Bone seems to be getting stuck into him though.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Interesting that Geelong turned the ball over as frequently as us, due to influx of kids this season

Seems the Geelong / Adelaide gameplan is reliant on having an experienced team able to make experienced decisions

I have no issue with attacking play, but we need to reduce the turnovers (which give away easy goals) & also have better defensive structures from stoppages (ie. allowing opposition players to easily get away on the outside).

The former needs to be fixed with practice, but the 2nd is a structure/coaching issue.

We will get better with experience (as young team), but we do need to address these same issues which are happening every other game with regular monotony.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Listening on-line

Good on Bone for taking the hard line that our team lacks spirit and are mentally soft

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Listening on-line

Good on Bone for taking the hard line that our team lacks spirit and are mentally soft

Ia m listening as well ........would prefer to hear a bit of anger from Sando

 

[MRB37]

Probably not a good thing to hear how upset Danger is in not making the finals knowing he's said that's the biggest thing that'll determine where he signs next.

Also admitted the Tippett sanctions have had an impact on the team. Not sure if that's just making excuses now or if he's had the muzzle taken off about it.

 

[Footypie32]

Sando says attack is not the issue. So Bicks is going nowhere

Sando shouldn't be there on making those calls anyway.

 

[mattymac]

"We're quietly confident..." has become my most hated phrase. Reeks of mediocrity

 

[MRB37]

Campo and Jonah are the only assistant coaches out of contract. Won't be replaced until they hire the new CEO and work out the budgets.

Wouldn't confirm they're replacing any, but doesn't sound like he's interested in replacing them though. Reckon he only wants a new senior assistant.

 

[mattymac]

New senior assistant sounds like the only change. Happy with Bicks and Campo. "Its about what we do collectively not what those guys do individually" (or some such rot)

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Campo and Jonah are the only assistant coaches out of contract. Won't be replaced until they hire the new CEO and work out the budgets.

Wouldn't confirm they're replacing any, but doesn't sound like he's interested in replacing them though. Reckon he only wants a new senior assistant.

New Senior Assistant
Replace Campo
Move Bickley to SANFL coach & backfill Bickley.

3 new ins to the senior coaching crew.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

New senior assistant sounds like the only change. Happy with Bicks and Campo. "Its about what we do collectively not what those guys do individually" (or some such rot)

The assistants are all doing well, but the head coach is sacking himself as responsible for the overall structures

 

[mattymac]

"If we can just pinch 1 or 2 more games" seems to be the measure. So scraping into the 8 will be next year's objective as well. Best not to aim high and all

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

IMO Sando has good enough knowledge of the game however he needs to get tougher on his players and coaching group and if he demands the team to be ruthless, it needs to start with his decision making