Opinion Colin Sylvia

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GilG said:
Maybe Wellingham's "upside" comes from the apex he reaches while jumping up and down on a trampoline?
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Haha - but that is still more action than we have seen from Sylvia. I, like many, want him to succeed, it is not like we don't need another goal kicking force but so far we have got nada, nothing, zero, zilch and f-all.
 
Cobbler said:
You state people are sticking a fork in him. Then the very next sentence you say he'll probably go back to the WAFL.

So basically saying you agree with those folks.
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Thinking that a good player needs to go back to the WAFL to find some touch and thinking that a player is a useless, waste of space, list clogger who'll never fit our gameplan (why did we even draft him?), spud... are two different things. I think the latter refers to the fork.
 

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smokingjacket said:
Thinking that a good player needs to go back to the WAFL to find some touch and thinking that a player is a useless, waste of space, list clogger who'll never fit our gameplan (why did we even draft him?), spud... are two different things. I think the latter refers to the fork.
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Thanks mate, but think I was talking to someone else.

Thanks for sharing their opinion.
 
Cobbler said:
Thanks mate, but think I was talking to someone else.

Thanks for sharing their opinion.
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haha apologies :oops: but it is a forum after all not a private chat. strobe is tagged so he can reply to you with whatever his thoughts are too, I wasn't answering for him.
 
Send him back to the WAFL for an extended period. A few things could happen.
Best case, he goes back, works his ass off and picks his game up. Becomes that finals X factor.
Likely case, He doesn't break back in and realises over the off/pre season he needs to impress and gives 2015 a real crack.
Or worst case, he ends up a dud and we cut ties after he plods around in the WAFL for a year.
I don't think he will play again this year unless he has 2 or 3 really great WAFL games. No matter what the case is, It all starts with him being dropped.
 
Freoforever86 said:
Send him back to the WAFL for an extended period. A few things could happen.
Best case, he goes back, works his ass off and picks his game up. Becomes that finals X factor.
Likely case, He doesn't break back in and realises over the off/pre season he needs to impress and gives 2015 a real crack.
Or worst case, he ends up a dud and we cut ties after he plods around in the WAFL for a year.
I don't think he will play again this year unless he has 2 or 3 really great WAFL games. No matter what the case is, It all starts with him being dropped.
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He's on a 3 year contract though. We can't just cut ties in the worst case - it would be a big salary cap hit to do so.
 
Freo88 said:
He's on a 3 year contract though. We can't just cut ties in the worst case - it would be a big salary cap hit to do so.
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I know this, but I'd rather pay him what's owed in his last year and use the list space for a rookie pick if he's gonna be useless. Reminder I said that was worst case. Could always trade too I guess. Who would want but haha
 
I'll stick a fork in him for his time with Fremantle and call it now.

If Fremantle decide he needs to go back to the WAFL, then he will struggle to get another game at AFL level with us, ever again as a best 28 player. He will only ever get a game if we sink that low with injuries.

The blokes come to a new club and started off by being out of shape. I mean what more of a red flag do you need?

He's scored his pay day contract and will become another Jack Anthony.

I don't personally know the bloke, but do yourselves a favour and go to the Melbourne boards and read the chat about him from 2011 onwards. Even Melbourne were calling him out as having no work ethic.

Fremantle have given him enough time, he was lucky to get a game in the first place and will waste away at Peel.

He'd want to have an epic preseason, but I don't see it happening and hence my comments.
 
Freoforever86 said:
I know this, but I'd rather pay him what's owed in his last year and use the list space for a rookie pick if he's gonna be useless. Reminder I said that was worst case. Could always trade too I guess. Who would want but haha
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It's easy to say to just delist him, but I dare say there won't be a hell of a lot of room in our salary cap to do so
 

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pokerspiv said:
Sylvia needs to find a spot in the midfield rotation if he wants to succeed here.
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I agree with this, but unfortunately he has shown absolutely nothing to suggest we should even try him there on a regular basis. By comparison Walters and Ballantyne have been groomed to spend time in the midfield rotation because they showed capacity in their forward role. Qualities such as defensive ability, fitness, decision making. Defensive ability and fitness have been lacking, and decision making has been inconsistent.

In addition he does not seem to have got a hold of our game plan yet, and that is not what you want in the midfield.

I began the year believing that de Boer could struggle for selection once Sylvia got his opportunity. That is no longer the case. These two players are treading different pathways and I would not be selecting Sylvia in the next game, but would be planning for de Boer to be a regular. It would be Sylvia's job to demand selection from outstanding wafl form.
 
The problem with putting him into the midfield rotation, is that we'd have to leave someone out who's earned their spot there.

Sylvia's not showing much in terms of versatility either if that's the only position he can play. Pretty much everyone on our list has shown some kind of spark in more than one position. We have a captain who's an AA in pretty much every position on the ground, our freaky mid Fyfe can go forward kick a few goals, get most possessions & clearances in the same game (most our mids can do all that, Fyfe just does it exceptionally well), and even our ridiculously tall giant of a ruck can rest either forward or back & do a good job. Sylvia's been given one position, and not done a good job at that. Hell, even Taberner showed more up back after getting 5 minutes notice than Sylvia has in the position he's being trained to play
 
GilG said:
What's up, Jedi, my man? Gonna listen to your track later, but in the meantime, bro, did you watch the video from "On the Couch"?

Have to respectfully disagree with one thing you wrote: ain't nothin' complicated about kicking to one of THREE teammates, all in an acre of space, charging down the corridor in the forward 50, any of whom could've marked and either played on or taken a set shot for goal in front of the sticks. Especially when you're huffing and puffing down the boundary line and about to be run down. Especially when your team's getting pimp-slapped by the opposition and your team's desperate for any spark, hope, or sign of life.

Instead, Sylvia, hearing the footsteps of the defender rapidly closing in from the rear, fires a low-percentage, ill-advised dud that hurts the team. That can't be part of any AFL coach's game plan, especially not Coach Lyon's, judging from his immediate reaction afterward. If Sylvia's action wasn't selfish, it was a serious brain fade. And unfortunately, that passage has characterized his current futility at Freo.
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Hey mate I'm great thanks and no I didn't watch on the coach. I'll find a link for it.

Yeah Sylvia was ordinary but so was about 18 of the 22 on Saturday. His preseason consisted of literally jogging a few laps and then getting injured when finally joining the main group.

But that aside remember good old McPhee the guy everyone booed when got the ball in his return season to Freo. How their attitudes did change over time. Different players take different times to adjust and I'm reserving judgement for a while.

We have seen with Morra last game how far off the pace WAFL form is and Sylvia needs a full preseason next year and if he isn't up to AFL standard I'll then say to everyone it's all good in hindsight. He was always going to be a gamble that never cost us a draft pick. If it comes off then Freo have done well if not then he will clogg the list.

Let me know what you think of my new track through pm mate. Always like constructive criticism from wise people. Cheers
 
salim malik said:
Come on Jedi we have both been at the Peel games and watched him dish up the same rubbish that he has for Freo
Peel have a see ball get ball game plan,its hardly a complicated and he hasnt come to grips with that
He is a mile of the pace
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He is and we all know that but I believe he can be best 22 and help add potency to Freo if he gets his fitness band mind right.
 
Allikat said:
Sylvia's not showing much in terms of versatility either if that's the only position he can play. Pretty much everyone on our list has shown some kind of spark in more than one position.
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That's just plainly not true. There are about 15 people in the same boat as Sylvia. Guys like Suban and De Boer are also midfielders. De Boer was dropped because there was no room in the midfield for him. Yeah we have Fyfe and Pav but it's ridiculous to say "pretty much everyone" has their versatility.

Sylvia was tried as a crumbing forward but didn't go very well. But neither have any of the other guys who have been tried there this year in the absence of Walters (De Boer, Suban, Crozier, Morabito etc). It's a specialist position and it's rare that a utility midfielder would excel there. Probably the most likely person who could excel there is unavailable for selection (Josh Simpson).

As far as the guy who said Ballantyne/Walters rotate through the midfield....when has that ever happened?
 
Cobbler said:
You state people are sticking a fork in him. Then the very next sentence you say he'll probably go back to the WAFL.

So basically saying you agree with those folks.
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ah, I see. You misinterpreted what I said.

No wonder I was confused.

By saying people were sticking a fork in him I meant that they were saying he was done. I.e. he wouldn't be part of our 22 at any point. Finito.

I don't believe this is the case. I reckon he'll become part of our 22 at some point before his contract expires. Two more seasons after this, so folks making such an early call on him doesn't make sense to me.

I do think he needs more time in the wafl to come to grips with what he needs to do. And to prove that he can do it.

so no, I'm not one of the folks I was referring to. Your interpretation of what i said was flawed. And hence your conclusion. Make sense now?
 
Should Sylvia go back to the WAFL and get some confidence - Sure, He needs something...It's all mental with Col.

Should we delist - No, I genuinely believe that he can be what we all thought he might be.

As for those attacking Mora's performance......For shame. Did you expect him to come back in and start dominating straight away after 3 recons?
 
freo84 said:
As for those attacking Mora's performance......For shame. Did you expect him to come back in and start dominating straight away after 3 recons?
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I thought Mora looked pretty good in the first quarter. Not a heap of clean touches but seemed to get involved a lot. I stopped watching part way through the second quarter and fast forwarded to the final result... and haven't brought myself to watch the rest properly.

he must have drifted out of the game after the first quarter I'd assume? End of game stats were pretty ugly.
 
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