KJpie
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I hope your right as that would ensure Shaz becomes an absolute gun based on said theory.
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I hope your right as that would ensure Shaz becomes an absolute gun based on said theory.
Scodog10
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Not really a theory re Martin. My information is that he won't be with us in 2015 so we are now just holding onto him for trade purposes. St Kilda are keen!
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I understand the idea that maybe Martin isn't 'fit' for senior football but I find it hard to believe hes prepared to sit on his laurels and will be straight out the door at any sign of interest. Hence I'm inclined to believe you and your source scodog.
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Interesting to hear.
Will be interesting to see what if anything eventuates with Martin.
In the weekly Collingwood VFL report they made mention about that the club 'hope he can have a really strong pre-season and progress to the next level' so it seems as far as I can tell anyway the intent is to retain. But still up in the air and easy to see any number of things happening with Martin.
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I should also add that there were offers on the table last year and he decided to stick around out of loyalty. After what transpired this year that loyalty has eroded.
At the end of the day I hope to be wrong because I rate Martin, but I think it's in his best interests (and ours TBH because we refuse to use him effectively at senior level) if he were to move on.
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Answering my own post ..
The club seems to think that's correct
We now have an answer to that one: Lumumba
The club seems to think that's correct
We now have an answer to that one: Lumumba
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That does sound like he is Staying
Chances of packaging him and H to the saints for an early second rounder?
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Zero, IMO. Those sorts of deals rarely take place and when they do it's most often with two kids under 21.
If Martin wants out I'd target one of the number of 6'2 mids they have on their list (Markworth maybe), but Lumumba has no value whatsoever if you can get a top 50 pick for him you take it and run.
Unfortunately 28yo average footballers who are questionable locker room influences aren't in high demand.
Just clutching at straws. What would be the max that Carlton and mick would offer?
Just clutching at straws. What would be the max that Carlton and mick would offer?
Scodog10
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That's cool there'll be a lot of that over the next month... I don't think they've got much to offer.
Garlett's about the best we'll do player wise (they'll be desperate to keep their young talent) and the other option is their 3rd round pick which I'd take, but I'm not sure if others would be happy with that.
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I hope Martin understands he needs to be very careful in the off season. Eating, running do everything right. He needs to turn up to preseason ready to roll
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I know Scodog already replied and you've added that you were clutching at straws, but I wanted to add, it also wouldn't be Saints as they are clearly going the youth option and have said they want to take three picks in the first 21 so their 2nd rounder not on the table for players. If we trade HL than Carlton (MM link and the possibility they think their window is opening) or a GWS (wanting more experienced players to help youth develop) would be more likely. Others like a Richmond or North wanting to top up would also be more likely than Saints.
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Martin likely only attracts a 3rd or 4th round pick so he isn't going to get us anything of note if we do shop him. He isn't a Mumford or Jenkins type rookie talent where a club is going to spend a pick around 30 to get him.
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Watts could be a great option on the wing, 3rd tall in the backline could be another option.
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Jake Niall's latest article is right up your alley, Knightmare, on the topic of senior experiece/veterans...
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...build-from-the-ground-up-20140906-10deoz.html
Thoughts?
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...build-from-the-ground-up-20140906-10deoz.html
Thoughts?
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Problem is, we need to find a senior player (or two) who won't cost too much and will slot in as undeniably best 22 for at least 2 maybe 3 seasons... Not exactly easy to come by.
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We have Struggled to do that lately
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I would love, love, love to have Watts for Lumumba but I don't see Melbourne making that trade without expecting us to throw in a first round or at least our second round pick to add to Lumumba.
Watts can play anywhere we need him to. If Reid gets injured again I would use Watts as our second key forward. We could use Watts as our variant of Westhoff as a forward who can swing back or play up the field on a wing as required. He could be played on a wing which also is something we need.
The article in large part sums up my concerns and I feel it is spot on. My feel for Collingwood is we'll be not unlike Mark Harvey's Fremantle Dockers when he first took over that team with that large group of players he was trying to pump games into. Given our list situation the only way forward for our list will be to give all our young guys taken early/that we payed heavy currency for consistently and get those games into them all as quick as possible.
It's going to result in a bunch of middle of the table finishes for the next few years - which given our 2010/2011 success is near-on unthinkable and the one thing the list management team in my view while they're drafted terrifically don't quite have the right feel for with those genuine 30 year olds who can lead of greater importance that guys in their early 20s who are of depth quality.
It's something we see in other international sports where clubs that value veterans and have those veterans on their team experience the success while those with teams largely made up of rookies or early career guys largely struggle and struggle to build a relevant team.
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If we were able to work out a deal to get Watts, where would you be keen to see him play Knightmare ?
I think myself id like him manly used onball and on the wing as a 4-5th string mid, another experienced body through the guts could be handy, but wouldnt be against him having stints up forward and down back.
Another option could be as a 3rd tall down back, and turn him into something like a Harry Taylor type, except without playing on the best key forwards.
I think myself id like him manly used onball and on the wing as a 4-5th string mid, another experienced body through the guts could be handy, but wouldnt be against him having stints up forward and down back.
Another option could be as a 3rd tall down back, and turn him into something like a Harry Taylor type, except without playing on the best key forwards.
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If we had the option of either Watts or Clark for Lumumba, who would you take?
The performances of hartlett and gray on the weekend gave me more confidence that if Scharenburg can get a good run with injuries after the knee he can still become elite
