Collingwood dynasty circa 2010

[ChesterTreasure]

Following the 2010 Grand Final victory, commentators were predicting a Collingwood dynasty with such a young and talented list.
Of the 23 players who participated in the draw and ultimate win a week later, this is what is left.
Can anyone recall such a fall from grace from a Premiership team to the current status within such a short space of time?

I'm not talking positions on the ladder (we all know the Hawks missed the eight in 2009) but how such a talented list could be torn apart, suffer injury or lose form as per above.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Pretty sure Reid's still playing, mate

 

[Collingwood 4 eternity]

Following the 2010 Grand Final victory, commentators were predicting a Collingwood dynasty with such a young and talented list.
Of the 23 players who participated in the draw and ultimate win a week later, this is what is left.
Can anyone recall such a fall from grace from a Premiership team to the current status within such a short space of time?
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I'm not talking positions on the ladder (we all know the Hawks missed the eight in 2009) but how such a talented list could be torn apart, suffer injury or lose form as per above.

Ben Reid hasn't retired

 

[HBFlanker]

Make no mistake about it, the axing of Malthouse has caused this fall from grace.

That decision will tarnish Eddie's reputation forever. Arguably the worst business decision in AFL/VFL history

 

[galindez]

4 years is a long time in footy. You'd probably see comparable turnover in most lists since 2010

 

[Sidebottom2Beams]

Umm we won a flag due to our gameplan, our side was never that good.

 

[HawkMongrel]

 

[Sttew]

Pretty sure Reid's still playing, mate

Maybe the OP is opining that Reid may as well be retired!

 

[The Swert]

Not that unusual. Here's the 2000 Premiership team 4 years after their win.

2000 Premiership Player - End of 2004
Sean Wellman Retired
Dean Wallis Retired
Joe Misiti Retired
Mark Mercuri Retired
Michael Long Retired
John Barnes Retired
Darren Bewick Retired
Paul Barnard Retired
Steven Alessio Retired
Gary Moorcroft Retired
Damien Hardwick Traded
Chris Heffernan Traded
Blake Caracella Traded
Justin Blumfield Traded
Mark Johnson Playing
Dustin Fletcher Playing
Dean Solomon Playing
Scott Lucas Playing
James Hird Playing
Adam Ramanauskas Playing
Matthew Lloyd Playing
Jason Johnson Playing

 

[Sttew]

Umm we won a flag due to our gameplan, our side was never that good.

You say that now, but you only have to trawl through BF to see pages and pages on how player X is the new Judd, or Y is the new Ablett, etc.

 

[The_Eagles]

West Coast won the spoon four years after glory .. No Judd, Cpusins, Chick, Hunter, Wirrpanda, Fletcher, Braun, Banfield, Stenglein and other bits and pieces

 

[clogged]

The difference between Collingwood and other premiership sides is theirs was the youngest side to win a premiership in many decades. It looked like the natural consequence of their success being earlier than expected would be a sustained run at the top.

They went to the GF again in 2011 (their 2011 was even more impressive, it seemed like no one could get near them for much of the year) and top four again in 2012. Since then they have been mediocre.

A very different arc from Hawthorn in 2008, who also won earlier than many expected, but quickly plummeted out of the top four. Hawthorn had a mini rebuild with a mature core of leaders who won in 2008, and went back to back.

I doubt Collingwood will do this.

 

[HBFlanker]

Not that unusual. Here's the 2000 Premiership team 4 years after their win.

2000 Premiership Player - End of 2004
Sean Wellman Retired
Dean Wallis Retired
Joe Misiti Retired
Mark Mercuri Retired
Michael Long Retired
John Barnes Retired
Darren Bewick Retired
Paul Barnard Retired
Steven Alessio Retired
Gary Moorcroft Retired
Damien Hardwick Traded
Chris Heffernan Traded
Blake Caracella Traded
Justin Blumfield Traded
Mark Johnson Playing
Dustin Fletcher Playing
Dean Solomon Playing
Scott Lucas Playing
James Hird Playing
Adam Ramanauskas Playing
Matthew Lloyd Playing
Jason Johnson Playing

Everyone knew they were treading water before the Brisbane dynasty though. Collingwood were expected to do big things

 

[clivenator26]

I don't think it is all doom & gloom, they have had a lot of early draft picks which if they have nailed will see them back up in a couple of years but they definitely wont see finals in 2015.

I think it is simplistic to just look at the flag team, they were in the finals every year from 06 and went deep most of the those years, it is hard to stay up for a long time (TWSS). 2011 was probably one that got away against Geelong, I wonder if the Malthouse/Bucks rift was a factor but they were close to leading at 3/4 time from memory.

The recruitment of Lynch & Jesse White are the only things I would say they have stuffed up, losing guys like Shaw, Beams & Sharrod aren't bad at all given they are of questionable character. I'm sure Bucks wouldn't mind Swanny retiring as well to lose a few headaches!

It is a slight worry how many players have left seemingly on bad terms - which looks like the players don't like Bucks. But you'd rather the players now who is boss than having them tell the powers that be to sack a coach like Adelaide, GC & WB have done. And another way of looking at it, is they have made some tough calls to ensure they can compete for a flag in the future rather than being finals flops every year. One step back, two steps forward.

 

[katana]

Everyone knew they were treading water before the Brisbane dynasty though. Collingwood were expected to do big things

is it collingwood's fault that people are crap judges?

 

[HBFlanker]

is it collingwood's fault that people are crap judges?

No no at all. Its their fault they fired their coach though

 

[Stratton_Gun]

Something went very wrong. Maybe it was Buckley, maybe it was something else but knows

They should have won 2011 as well

 

[Adam H]

Perfect timing for Collingwood in 2010 and they pounced. Geelong had internal troubles with Bomber and Ablett dividing the group and the other big challenger being cut down with injuries and limping into the Grand Final.

 

[mottrain]

Surprised West Coast 2006 has not been mentioned. That was hard in more ways than one.

 

[ChesterTreasure]

Pretty sure Reid's still playing, mate

My mistake.

 

[Football Tragic]

Something went very wrong. Maybe it was Buckley, maybe it was something else but knows

They should have won 2011 as well

They got rid of Malthouse and the new coach tried to reshape the team. It was a very irregular strategy to employ for a team who just played in the GF. The turnover of the the list was more typical of a side that had bottomed out and got a new coach.

Just strange timing fueled by Eddies ego. If the Pies had of allowed Buckley an apprenticeship elsewhere and then brought him back to take Malthouse's spot when the side started declining then they would have seen a much better coach and quicker turn around imo.

 

[SSSSSS]

Their list was and is still completely overrated. Malthouse is just very good at getting the most out of ordinary players whether it be his man management or the relatively safe and simple gameplan he implements.

 

[GroggSquad]

Collingwood 2010 was the youngest premiership side since Hawthorn in 1978. They had amazing depth, a well-balanced list and everyone at the time felt they were about to start a Geelong-type dynasty. Remarkable how its all turned out considering the good sides have generally found it easier to remain on top over this period, with the compromised drafts not giving other teams a proper chance to rebuild.

 

[The_Reaper]

West Coast 2006-2010 (Premiership to Spoon)

Not at Club start of 2011

Steven Armstrong - Delisted end of 2008
Drew Banfield - Retired after 2006 Grand Final
Michael Braun - Retired after 2008 season
Daniel Chick - Delisted end of 2007
Ben Cousins - deregisted at the end of 2007
Chad Fletcher - retired end of 2009. Played 5 games in final year
Ashley Hansen - delisted as a bit player at the end of 2010
Adam Hunter - retired after 2009 season. Played only 19 matches over 2008 and 2009
Brett Jones- retired after 2010 after being a bit player for a few years
Rowan Jones - retired after 2007 season
Chris Judd - left for Carlton after 2007 season
Mark Seaby - traded to Syndey end of 2009
Tyson Stenglein - retired end of 2009
David Wirrpanda - Retired after 2009 season

Still at Club start of 2011 (8)

Sam Butler - Still at club in 2010. Managed 5 games in both 2008 and 2010
Dean Cox - still at club in 2010
Andrew Embley - Still at club in 2010
Darren Glass - still at club in 2010 but only played 8 matches due to injury
Daniel Kerr - still at club in 2010. Only managed 11 games in both 2008 and 2009 and 4 games in 2010
Quinten Lynch - still at club in 2010
Adam Selwood - Still at club in 2010
Beau Waters - Still at club in 2010. Managed only 8 games in 2008 and 0 games in 2009

 

[Sidebottom2Beams]

You say that now, but you only have to trawl through BF to see pages and pages on how player X is the new Judd, or Y is the new Ablett, etc.

You just had to look at the next year. Geelong should have beaten us by 7 goals in the first game, pounded us in the final rd and it was a 10 goal turnaround in the GF.
Hawks choked in the prelim, our gameplan had been dissected and was no longer of any use.