NFL Commissioner Goodell Discussion

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Profootballtalk's Mike Florio reports owners spent "significant time" at their May meetings discussing how to "deal with and respond to" the December release of the movie Concussion.

Starring Will Smith, Concussion will be released on Christmas. According to its IMDB.com synopsis, Concussion is "a look at how American football players suffer from major head injuries and life-long debilitating problems as a result of repeated concussions and efforts by the NFL to deny it." Smith hasn't starred in many winners of late, but it certainly sounds like it has the ability to be a headache for the league.

Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com
 
Woodson said:
Scrutiny that gets washed away soon after...the media can make anyone look bad and look incompetent like he has been with such debacle handling of the Rice assault saga.... the officials CBA hold out... just to list a few... bottom line burning Q is how he keeps his job?? is a travesty. How hard is it for anyone to step in and not make $$$ for the owners?

I can understand perfectly why the Steelers opposed the CBA... esp that it entitled him to make the final decisions with suspensions that have been totally inconsistent.

The media are doing all they can to make deflate-gate a bigger issue but I gather that delays and the next big story (because someone in the off-season will step up to snare the headlines) will make deflate-gate a watered down issue as time goes by before the pre-season kicks in.. there is more chance GG jumping on a plane to fly down to Melbourne than Brady getting suspended.

Pats will get a lil' fine...if anything.
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Good god woodson. Really? A small fine? Sorry I can't even listen to you on this. You've gone full yinz sadly
 
Galactic said:
Good god woodson. Really? A small fine? Sorry I can't even listen to you on this. You've gone full yinz sadly
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I can tell you I'm just as surprised :eek: as opposed to the next SHOCKEd and BITTERLY DISAPPOINTED Pats fan.. what are the odds? Goodell didn't bend as I expected as Robert Kraft anticipated that complying with the $1 Mil dollar fine (in the NFL, that's relatively peanuts) and stripped draft picks was the excepted trade-off.o_O :confused: And then gave RB Le'veon Bell a week discount on his 3 week suspension. :)

Seems the prostitute Goodell was rogering was a Michigan lass.
 

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MINNEAPOLIS – The federal judge who long has presided over NFL labor matters is as interested as everyone else to see how things play out in the Tom Brady Deflategate case. And he apparently doesn’t have much regard for NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell’s understanding of the collective bargaining agreement.

At a hearing Wednesday on a contempt motion filed by the NFL Players Association in the Adrian Peterson case, U.S. District Judge David S. Doty said “we’re all very curious” how Judge Richard M. Berman will rule on Brady, whose four-game suspension is now the subject of proceedings and settlement talks in the Southern District of New York.

The NFLPA filed its motion in May against the NFL, the NFL Management Council and Goodell, whom Doty noted multiple times Wednesday isn’t an attorney while questioning union counsel Jeffrey Kessler about who exactly the NFLPA wants to be held in contempt for alleged interference with the court’s order to hold further arbitration proceedings in the Peterson case.

“I’m not sure the commissioner understands there is a CBA,” Doty said, citing Goodell’s actions and quotes in newspaper articles he has read.

The NFL's labor deal gives the commissioner broad power to impose and arbitrate discipline. The union has argued on a string of recent cases Goodell has abused that power and failed to follow proper processes.
Because Goodell — who wasn’t present Wednesday — lacks legal expertise, Doty said, he doesn’t understand contempt and only would’ve been acting on the advice of his attorneys on such matters.

“Jail time – is that what you want?” Doty asked Kessler at one point. “Do you want us to put the commissioner in jail?”

Kessler said no. The NFLPA wants an order from the court that the NFL and union jointly ask Henderson to issue a new ruling consistent with Doty’s orders, as well as an award of attorney’s fees and an order making clear the league in the future cannot impose its updated personal conduct policy retroactively.
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Judge Doty gets stuck into Roger Goodell

“I’m not sure the commissioner understands there is a CBA,”

BTW - there's been discussion that Goddell's lack of legal experience is one the main reasons that recent decisions handed down by him haven't made it very far into the American legal system before being either struck down or settled with much lower penalties.

I can see the owners becoming very frustrated at all these legal bills and eventually being forced to replace Goodell with someone who is more legally adept.
 
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Bleacher Report's Jason Cole reported several owners did not want the NFL to appeal the Deflategate decision.

Cole reports several owners want to see this saga "end once and for all." Goodell almost had to appeal the decision which blasted the league's handling of the Deflategate situation, but it is yet another decision which could strain his relationship with the owners. Cole reports the NFLPA and the owners agree the NFL needs to overhaul the disciplinary process.


Source: Bleacher Report
 
The Washington Post reported NFL owners will discuss changing Roger Goodell's role in the disciplinary process.

Bleacher Report's Jason Cole reported several owners were unhappy the league decided to appeal the Deflategate decision, and even more owners agreed with the NFLPA's assertion the NFL needs to overhaul the disciplinary process. Goodell does not look likely to lose his job after yet another loss in the court system, but he may be facing a severe curtailing of his power.

Source: The Washington Post
 
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The NFL may have lost the battle over DeflateGate, but don't expect owners to push too hard for the commissioner to have less power over the arbitration process.

If you have a cell phone or a credit card, you are almost certainly subject to an arbitration clause. This clause offers you no real benefits and serves only to make life better for the company that issued you that phone or credit card, as it prevents you from suing the company on your own or joining a class action.

Should you feel you've been mistreated by this company, the arbitration clause means they determine how and where and on what terms your complaint will be addressed, and the companies have a very, very good winning percentage.

Tom Brady, like every other NFL player, is subject to an arbitration clause -- this is one of the few things you have in common with him, so congrats -- which dictated how and where he could object to Roger Goodell's decision to suspend him for four games. Those terms did not favor Tom Brady, which you probably figured out given that Roger Goodell was allowed to serve as the arbitrator and determine whether to uphold his own decision.

The biggest advantage the NFL had? Federal courts really don't like to overturn arbitration outcomes, because the whole point of arbitration is to avoid going to court. Judge Richard Berman's review of the matter was limited to how Goodell and the NFL conducted the arbitration, not their factual determinations. To vacate Brady's suspension, Berman had to find that the NFL's arbitration was a fundamentally unfair process. And that's exactly what he did, on the grounds that Brady was unfairly denied access to evidence and witnesses and given a punishment far harsher than what he reasonably could have expected under league rules.

There's a twisted irony to the fact that Roger Goodell claims to act in the name of fairness and integrity and keeps finding his decisions reversed when federal judges find that they lack both. We react to these judicial rebukes by criticizing Goodell as a power-hungry tyrant who doesn't act with anything resembling restraint. Goodell's more interested in getting what he wants than treating players fairly, and we demand better.

Those are all good reasons why the commissioner shouldn't be serving as a supposedly neutral third party arbitrator. Beyond that? It's worth considering how small a role fairness plays in the NFL. Franchises don't threaten to move to extract taxpayer funds for new stadiums because it's fair. They do it because it's strategic. It's not inherently fair that player contracts are largely unguaranteed, but it's advantageous for the owners.

Realistically, referees are the only part of the NFL machinery paid to enforce fairness. Everyone else has an agenda, and they want to bend the rules, or at least walk up to the limit of them, in pursuit of winning something. General managers do it by offering contracts to players before they're formally allowed to do so. A free safety's happy to take a defensive holding penalty if it means he doesn't give up a 50-yard touchdown. Coaches tell players to go down with a cramp if they want to slow the opposing offense down.

So it's probably foolish to expect Roger Goodell to be all that different. His position exists because of the owners, and the NFLPA serves as his opposition. Goodell's job isn't to fight for fairness - it's to get the owners wins wherever he can. That might be increased TV distribution revenue or more favorable terms for ownership in the CBA. It might be projecting (or at least attempting to project) that the NFL cares about sending a strong message to players who commit misdeeds off the field.

In the Brady case, it was demonstrating, to a fault, that the league won't allow cheaters, even if it's unclear who, if anyone, did the cheating or how much the cheating changed anything. Roger Goodell may personally believe his word is law, but the owners know they're in a better position when the commissioner appears strong and in control.

That's why the NFL wasn't terribly interested in reaching a settlement with Tom Brady, and why they'll appeal Berman's decision even though it likely won't get them anywhere. Goodell and the owners want the commissioner's power to punish players under the vague "conduct detrimental" clause to be as expansive as possible. That's not a matter of fair or unfair, it's simply advantageous to have that power, especially when the next collective bargaining agreement needs to be negotiated.

We're pissed at Goodell because he's not acting like Ed Hochuli, but that's been the wrong comparison all along. Roger Goodell and the owners are throwing deep passes with a big lead late in the second half. They're not worried about being fair. They're trying to beat the Players Association, and if the NFLPA doesn't like it, well, go out there and get a stop. It just so happens they did with Judge Berman.
 
I didn't know where to put this one (feel free to move to a better thread if you want GG)

There appears to be a growing concern about certain owners and their investments in daily fantasy sites (draftkings.com and fanduel.com). Bob Kraft and Jerry Jones have been mentioned, and the concern is that daily fantasy competitions are basically gambling sites. The NFL continues to promote the sites arguing that they aren't gambling sites.

The NFL banned players from promoting fantasy football in Las Vegas earlier this year, but don't seem to be taking a similar stance on fanduel and draftkings.

It would appear there's plenty of water to flow under the bridge on this one, but it could become a big issue quickly IMO.

There has been some controversy with the sites recently in that employees were big winners in competitions on the site, allegedly as a result of using inside information about players http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/draftkings-fanduel-employees-fantasy_56156bdee4b021e856d3421b

Here's a Huffington Post article on the situation:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexreimer/2015/09/29/nflpa-draftkings-partnership-is-hypocritical/

The NFL's Embrace Of Daily Fantasy Sports Is Beyond Hypocritical
This past summer, the NFL shut down Tony Romo’s fantasy football event in Las Vegas because it was going to be held at a convention center that’s attached to a casino. But this fall, Romo and other NFL players are welcome to become pitchmen for the daily fantasy sports startup, DraftKings. The hypocrisy is awe-inspiring.

The NFL Players’ Association’s marketing arm announced Tuesday it has inked a licensing deal with DraftKings, which will allow the league’s top-rated players to appear in campaigns and commercials for the company. It’s unlikely the NFL will have a problem with this, considering 28 clubs have agreements with either DraftKings or its main competitor, FanDuel.

Both companies have enjoyed a ubiquitous presence on the airwaves so far this football season, as they spent a combined $31 million for more than 9,000 TV spots during NFL’s kickoff weekend, according to the advertising tracking firm iSpot.tv. The NFL claims fantasy sports competitions aren’t gambling, because results are predicated on individual players’ performances rather than the outcomes of games. NFL players and personnel are even allowed to participate in fantasy contests, though they can’t collect prizes in excess of $250 –– because, you know, the aesthetics would look bad otherwise.
These are heady times for the fledging daily fantasy sports industry, as FanDuel and DraftKings are both coming off wildly successful rounds of funding. DraftKings raised $300 million this summer whereas FanDuel raised $275 million. Both startups are valued at over $1 billion.
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Good to see the NFL focusing on the important issues


Heyward was fined close to $6,000 for that tribute, coming on the back of news the NFL disallowed D'Angelo Williams the chance to wear pink all season long (in honour of breast cancer awareness, a charity the NFL dedicate a whole month to) to honour his mother who lost her battle with breast cancer recently.
 
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Goodell starting to get direct questions about daily fantasy, and he's sitting on the fence...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...er-role-of-daily-fantasy?campaign=Twitter_atn

Is Goodell worried about daily fantasy sports possibly damaging the integrity of game?
"That's my No. 1 concern, and that's why we've opposed legalized gambling. Daily fantasy is different in this sense ... It really would be difficult to have that quote-end-quote influence that we are worried about with gambling in general. So I'm less troubled on that front. But I also want to make sure our consumers, our fans, if you play something, I want to make sure there are proper consumer protections. That's important for us and I think that's something that is missing from the current structure."
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Commissioner Roger Goodell made $34.1 million in 2014.

The staggering sum included a $26.5 million "bonus," and would have easily made Goodell the highest-paid player in the league that's dealt with nonstop controversies during his reign. Since the NFL has since become a for-profit organization — it used to be non-profit, seriously — this will be the last time it has to disclose Goodell's salary. The president of the United States is entitled to an annual $400,000.


Source: The New York Times
 
GG.exe said:
Commissioner Roger Goodell made $34.1 million in 2014.

The staggering sum included a $26.5 million "bonus," and would have easily made Goodell the highest-paid player in the league that's dealt with nonstop controversies during his reign. Since the NFL has since become a for-profit organization — it used to be non-profit, seriously — this will be the last time it has to disclose Goodell's salary. The president of the United States is entitled to an annual $400,000.

Source: The New York Times
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...and to think I'm only 3 levels down in the org from the top job! Time to ask for that pay raise...
 
https://theringer.com/bill-simmons-malcolm-gladwell-future-of-the-nfl-b6e14a14124#.bwg2mqlk6

So what’s the second conversation about football? It’s concussions. There’s the game on the field and then there’s a conversation off the field about why nobody wants their kids to play the game on the field. How does a sport survive in the long run when the second conversation contradicts the first? I thought you were going to mention the other excruciating Panthers game this season: the league-opening-night Super Bowl rematch with the Broncos, where one Denver defender after another made a run at Cam Newton’s head. After that happened a second time, a few weeks later, remember what Newton said? He doesn’t “feel safe on the field” anymore. Newton is one of the league’s biggest young stars, and the most memorable thing he has said all year is that playing football now scares him. Good lord.

It’s Getting Harder and Harder to Deny That Football Is Doomed

The sport is supposedly safer than ever, and Cam Newton was still left to fend for himself

Simmons: I like your “second conversation” theory. For college football: Should they pay the players? For college basketball: How do we stop one-and-done? For golf: Will Tiger ever get his mojo back? For tennis and men’s soccer: Why is America getting its ass kicked? For women’s soccer: How can we convince Americans to care beyond the World Cup and the Olympics? For UFC: Can it thrive long term with so much superstar turnover? For hockey: How can we kidnap Gary Bettman until 2032 without anyone getting arrested?

Gladwell: Bettman’s never leaving. He’s going to have himself cryogenically frozen at center ice in Madison Square Garden.

Simmons: I’d rather have Frozen Bettman as the NHL commissioner. At least they’d finally stop expanding. (We reached Peak Bettman with the Vegas Golden Knights, which sounds less like an NHL expansion team and more like a brothel.) Anyway, I believe the NFL is juggling more “second conversations” right now than any league in the history of professional sports. In no particular order …

1. Concussions

2. An undeniable change in the way the game is being played

3. An undeniable decline in the quality of play in September and October

4. The commissioner’s serial abuse of his power

5. Conflicting policies regarding painkillers, HGH, steroids, and marijuana

6. A looming free fall in youth football participation numbers

7. A lack of under-30 superstars who resonate with fans

8. National anthem protests (and whether it affects certain fan bases)

9. Billionaire owners repeatedly extorting their fans to pay for new stadiums

10. Millennials and cord-cutters gravitating more to the NBA and soccer

11. An oversaturation of TV games because of shameless greed

12. That pre-election decline in ratings, and whether it should be considered an aberration or something more
 
Daniel Kaplan of the Sports Business Journal reports the NFL and Roger Goodell are "close" to a five-year extension.

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the deal is maybe not as close as Kaplan indicated, but he still expects the extension to get done. Goodell's current deal runs out in 2019, so this extension will keep him in the job until 2024. It is interesting timing considering Goodell looks headed toward another legal fight over a suspension, likely has less support from one of the league's most influential owners, Jerry Jones, than before, and is almost certainly on the path to a labor dispute in 2021. Despite the public backlash, however, Goodell apparently is doing exactly what the owners want him to do.

Source: Daniel Kaplan on Twitter
 
GG.exe said:
Daniel Kaplan of the Sports Business Journal reports the NFL and Roger Goodell are "close" to a five-year extension.

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the deal is maybe not as close as Kaplan indicated, but he still expects the extension to get done. Goodell's current deal runs out in 2019, so this extension will keep him in the job until 2024. It is interesting timing considering Goodell looks headed toward another legal fight over a suspension, likely has less support from one of the league's most influential owners, Jerry Jones, than before, and is almost certainly on the path to a labor dispute in 2021. Despite the public backlash, however, Goodell apparently is doing exactly what the owners want him to do.

Source: Daniel Kaplan on Twitter
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If the NFLPA dont replace DeMaurice Smith then there is no chance in hell we dont lose at least part of the 21 season due to lockout. Smith cares more about challenging Goodell than he does about the PA. they are why we had the lockout last time. and its even worse now with how Goodell has acted the last few seasons along with the high profile players taking a stand against the shield.
 
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