Crown Melbourne Part 4

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JuddsABlue said:
Bubble in the 6max was quite high, about 2.5 the buyin

Played tonight but wasnt meant to be, busted around 30th with 12 paying

Had small balled my way to around 30k when I got in a hand with someone. I open J9 he calls BB with KT, flop J68, he checks, I bet, he check raises (the whole act stunk, would be calling down super light here), turn is a 7, he pots it I call, river is a K and he checks I check **** life nh

Then got moved to a table that had me and 5 other players who wouldve been probably in the top 7-8 players skill wise in the tournament, it was lol absurd. It was a bit of a running joke do it was fun at least. Got a double AT>QJ in pre, then opened TT from UTG, got a caller and flopped top set on T79 board, he got cally and we got a runout of 8 turn 6 river for a straight on board I folded to a shove

Got AT in vs A9 pre and chopped after a flop of K75, turn K river 5, then later shoved Q6 fromt he SB and BB peels an ace and calls, peels the second card and its a second Ace. I have as many outs as possible going to the river with top pair, flush draw and a straight draw but brick
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That line with K10 is pretty interesting. Flop is actually pretty good for his hand given the number of turn cards that he can continue to the river with (9,7,Q,K,A - he might have had a BDFD?) - I sort of don't mind c/r flop sometimes especially vs someone who folds too much (which means against you its probably not a good play), but I think c/c is probably a default. Potting it turn is basically just a bad spew, especially when he gets a good turn card for his hand and will want to see the river, and I say that as someone who has spewed quite a bit in my time. I think he should also bet the river, especially because he blocks the nuts, and because of how he got there, but I guess others would disagree.

Sounds like you two have history? He sounds like quite the passive/aggressive type with his play.
 
nah i dont think we had history, none that I could remember but maybe I had something subconscious against him because I felt like he was c/raising tonnes here before I cbet but that might have been a small tell I picked up that gave me that impression

I'd seen him before, I might have remembered him as a bit of aggro with a high postflop raise %

I didnt see a bdfd, I dont think he had one. its not the worst board, it was mostly his sizing that made it bad, plus I was just tilted he got there

hes def not taking your thinking here of "this a good flop because", hes a random spewer that took the "I'll just barrel here cause theres no ace" line, he later got about 18bb/half effective stacks in pre with A9 vs a cold 5bet and flopped flush against top set ofc and holds and tried to share some hand excuses with me that didnt make much sense so I dont peg him as a thinking player really, he just picks pots to bluff
 
JuddsABlue said:
nah i dont think we had history, none that I could remember but maybe I had something subconscious against him because I felt like he was c/raising tonnes here before I cbet but that might have been a small tell I picked up that gave me that impression

I'd seen him before, I might have remembered him as a bit of aggro with a high postflop raise %

I didnt see a bdfd, I dont think he had one. its not the worst board, it was mostly his sizing that made it bad, plus I was just tilted he got there

hes def not taking your thinking here of "this a good flop because", hes a random spewer that took the "I'll just barrel here cause theres no ace" line, he later got about 18bb/half effective stacks in pre with A9 vs a cold 5bet and flopped flush against top set ofc and holds and tried to share some hand excuses with me that didnt make much sense so I dont peg him as a thinking player really, he just picks pots to bluff
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Sounds like not much going on upstairs then. Aggro donx gonna aggro donk. :D
 

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bricked the main today, was very card dead on a soft table, lost most pots I opened as they all went multi way

had a guy absolutely dump his stack. He said a few things early which made me think it was his first tournament and he didnt really look like a poker player, but he was super aggro with good sizing, but just dusted it off completely. Called off 400bb pre a hand after 3 barrel bluffing Q high, he has AK shover has JJ, and he loses but still has about 12k left, next hand he 3bets big again, gets a few callers, bombs T high flop, gets one call, K turn and he shoves about 6x pot, gets called by a pair of tens and is drawing dead with 8 high


My story is far less dramatic, played a lot of hands for not much in return, then lost a decent sized pot with a set of 88s against a flush draw that got there

Then had two limpers to my BB, I shoved KQ and got tank called with A7 and a "lets gamble speach", I bricked the runout

The structure was woeful, they skip the 150/300 level and 500/1k, its easily the worst structure they've put up
 
Nothing shits me more then people who judge a tournaments structure by how many BBs you start with or your absolute number of chips to start. It should be your least concern compared to missing levels, level length, whether there is antes.

It has me worried for the WSOP in a way, because if all the fish want these megastack events, then they are going to have structures like the Venetian deep stacks where the average is 15bb come the crunch periods of the bubble, the FT etc...
 
ashley12 said:
Nothing shits me more then people who judge a tournaments structure by how many BBs you start with or your absolute number of chips to start. It should be your least concern compared to missing levels, level length, whether there is antes.

It has me worried for the WSOP in a way, because if all the fish want these megastack events, then they are going to have structures like the Venetian deep stacks where the average is 15bb come the crunch periods of the bubble, the FT etc...
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yeah the WSOP small buyin events play better than most when it matters, you'll usually have a 30-40bb average at least when deep instead of the 20-25 we are used to

I'd love to see a trial of live tournaments with the same field, one offering a strucutre with those levels included and the other without them and comparing the finishing time because I couldnt imagine it has a difference at all (in crown tournaments where they have short level lengths like 30-40m, because at these speeds cards will be the determining factore of bust outs rather than BB. A person is shoving AQ whether they have 11bb or 16bb etc)

I think Crowns angle with their skipping levels is to get re-entriers, they want to skip 150/300 and have 200/400 in the first hour because they want more bustouts/re-entries

I cant imagine skipping 500/1k saves another 40m to the tournament length

And I understand a lot of tournaments are a loss leader for Crown to get people in the room, so theyre keen to wrap them up quickly, but so many people/shot takers wouldve wanted to play the 550 and seen it skips 150/300 and not played because of it, so in turn it hurts the amount of people it brings in to the room
 
JuddsABlue said:
Then got moved to a table that had me and 5 other players who wouldve been probably in the top 7-8 players skill wise in the tournament, it was lol absurd. It was a bit of a running joke do it was fun at least.
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Reminds me of my day 1 table at ANZPT Perth last year, where my table variously included Dejan Divkovic, Iori Yogo, Liam O'Rourke, Tom Grigg, Kristian Lunardi, Gary Benson and Andrew Jeffreys. Maybe 1 fish (unless you count me as well), which is very unusual for Perth.
 
Easier with a diagram. The bar/TAB would be at the top of this diagram, that is, to the left as you walk in. The blue tables are poker tables, the red ones are Bonus Texas Holdem and Caribbean Stud. The black bar is the TV.

So the poker tables that had the best location for TV viewing are now gone. A couple of those first tables were being used, maybe for 1/2. None of the 6 in a row were open. None of the Bonus Texas Holdem or Caribbean Stud tables were in use. I went at about midnight and it was pretty busy, but all of the action was on the other side.
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s**t thats terrible

its a pretty shitty game to play, the swings are massive and the hands take a long time, its a game that doesnt attrack that many players

still though, Crown are trying anything to bring the floor space of the poker room up to the revenue that the other floor space makes. I'm not a doomsdayer, but I have massive fears for what the room will look like in 10 years
 
red+black said:
I suggested they get rid of all the poker tables and fill the room with poker machines.
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I think it's known that casinos (in general) only offer poker because it gets punters in the door, with the expectation they'll also make their way to the pit. If it was solely a dollars per square metre consideration, then the whole casino would be a pokies venue. :(
 
What's most disappointing is that all the stupid tables are right in front of the TV. Crown never ceases to amaze me at how badly they want to * with the poker room. They try ever so hard to lower the reputation of the room. The foreigners will roll their eyes in October when they come for WSOP APAC. Anyway, this will be the last or 2nd last time Melbourne hosts the event.
 
Goodo73 said:
I think it's known that casinos (in general) only offer poker because it gets punters in the door, with the expectation they'll also make their way to the pit. If it was solely a dollars per square metre consideration, then the whole casino would be a pokies venue. :(
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This would be relevant if punters couldn't get a box at $100 a hand bj.

Which is definitely not the case. The opportunity cost is zero.
 
I can just imagine the people going to Crown today hoping to play poker and watch the football.

Bad enough to get rid of the poker tables, but to put them in front of the TV is unforgivable.

Add to that that the room is underground (limited 4G access) and there is no wifi, there is a lot to not like about Crown's poker room.
 
I played Saturday night and such a rule was not in place then.

I wouldn't be surprised though. It is clear that the poker room are going through some major changes for the worse.

I wonder if APAC is moving on after this year.

WSOPE: London 07, 08, 09, 10
WSOPE: Cannes 11, 12
WSOPE: Paris 13, 15?
APAC: Melbourne 13, 14
 
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Majority if not all of no phone at table rules are government rules arent they?

Unless Crown have had some cheating issues using phones and have chosen to bring in the rule for game integrity

There are a lot of different ways a player can misinterpret the rule though to say such a thing, ie using the phone to talk during a tournament, hearing the tournament announcement and not understanding it, purple monkey dishwasher syndrome, a rouge floorperson or dealer etc

Considering only less than 2 years ago they relaxed the phone rules in tournaments, I'd be shocked at this backward step unless it was a decision out of their hands or was a game integrity issue
 
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