Vic E/W Link / Metro Rail / Large projects

[Pessimistic]

I was looking for a photograph of the construction of the domain tunned under the yarra -using cofferdams to bypass the water youd umagine.

Instead came across 'melbournes never built" which is interesting. theres an earlier proposal to put trams in tunnels under bourke and swanston streets

https://urban.melbourne/forum/melbournes-never-built

 

[Pessimistic]

Congratulations to Jiska for knowing so much more than Rod Eddington.
CFMEU Premier of rustbucket state need look no further than this board if he re
quires another transport report.

Touchy much ? What's been said is not much different to what Eddington said

 

[GuruJane]

Touchy much ? What's been said is not much different to what Eddington said

Don't be ridiculous.

Now we have Pazza actually posting that its not the merit of infratructure proposals that count but solely whether nor not they are to be built with public money in the 21st century.

Victoria. The rustbucket state. Thanks to the CFMEU Premier and his BF acolytes.

 

[Pessimistic]

Don't be ridiculous.

Now we have Pazza actually posting that its not the merit of infratructure proposals that count but solely whether nor not they are to be built with public money in the 21st century.

Victoria. The rustbucket state. Thanks to the CFMEU Premier and his BF acolytes.

You remember it was actually labor that commisioned the eddington report ?

 

[Maggie5]

Can some clarify for me what is the difference between a so called union run state and an IPA/Big Business Lobbyist run federal government?

For mine it is simple, if the Libs had carried a cost benefit analysis, had a mandate from the people to sign the contract then no problem.
However neither of these things happened and so they proceeded to sign a contract (and a nice generous side letter for their mates). The issue for mine is surely Labor knew it couldn't get out of it without paying some compensation but still in the end better than setting aside $9 billion of debt for the next generation.

If anyone can't see that the problem lies between them both then they really need to check their objectivity at the door.

 

[Pessimistic]

Also the current government have negotiated a very good settlement, given the hyperbola of woe being forcast around the place.

Maybe skills learned in union movements are useful after all

You may not agree with abandoning the link program, but you cant fault the way it was negotiated

 

[Contra Mundum]

Also the current government have negotiated a very good settlement, given the hyperbola of woe being forcast around the place.

Maybe skills learned in union movements are useful after all

You may not agree with abandoning the link program, but you cant fault the way it was negotiated

No we have to fund a project with a hidden business case that does not make fifty cents in the dollar! Fiscal Responsibility the Liberal way

 

[GuruJane]

You remember it was actually labor that commisioned the eddington report ?

As I have posted many times here Pessimistic, there has been a proud tradition of progressive, modernising Victorian ALP govts and premiers - John Brumby being one of them.

But CFMEU Premier of Victoria the Rustbucket state is not one of them and neither are his acolytes here as evidenced by the guff you keep posting.[/QUOTE]

 

[GuruJane]

Also the current government have negotiated a very good settlement, given the hyperbola of woe being forcast around the place.

Maybe skills learned in union movements are useful after all

You may not agree with abandoning the link program, but you cant fault the way it was negotiated

And you're being completely dishonest as well. You would know very well that the Eddington Report recommended both the Metro and the EastWest and this is what the CFMEU premier should have been working towards instead of electing to turn the state into a rustbucket.

 

[Pessimistic]

And you're being completely dishonest as well. You would know very well that the Eddington Report recommended both the Metro and the EastWest and this is what the CFMEU premier should have been working towards instead of electing to turn the state into a rustbucket.

It was the former governments inaction and canberra which seems have forced the government to choose.

And while ew has its merits, its not going to make a huge difference to the states efficiency

 

[GuruJane]

It was the former governments inaction and canberra which seems have forced the government to choose.

And while ew has its merits, its not going to make a huge difference to the states efficiency

Quit the dishonesty. Eddington recommended both and both should have been pursued in tandem.

 

[GuruJane]

It was the former governments inaction and canberra which seems have forced the government to choose.

What guff you write. You know perfectly well the CFMEU Premier in waiting made that decision to please his thug union supporters and to shore up inner city seats from the greens. Latter didn't work so well

Victoria. The Rust Bucket State.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Watch out for a campaign pronouncing infrastructure australia as a left wing hotbed

Of course it is it actually wants to build things.

 

[Gough]

Good thing you live in the "home of the mighty SA" isn't it Jane, and those policies won't effect you one bit. Perhaps we could have you're thoughts on the electrification of the Gawler line, or the South Road bypass, don't forget SA has an ALP government you can hang s**t on too.

 

[Elroo]

What guff you write. You know perfectly well the CFMEU Premier in waiting made that decision to please his thug union supporters and to shore up inner city seats from the greens. Latter didn't work so well

Victoria. The Rust Bucket State.

Stop being so pathetic will you?

Your LNP lost a the ALP won so suck it up.

Abbott, Andews and Napthine called the election a referendum on the so called East West link.

The ALP went in on a platform of cancelling the EW to promote instead the superior Metro rail tunnel as the priority project along with level crossings. The Metro rail has a return of $1.90 versus 0.45 for the EW.

 

[Contra Mundum]

CFMEU Construction Division, for obvious reasons, were big supporters of the EW Link. More myth trading. The CFMEU Premier is letting his thug mates down.

 

[GuruJane]

So Contra now shilling for the CFMEU. Quel surprise.
All bullshit of course.

AUSTRALIA’S most militant construction union faces being locked out of the $18 billion East West Link road and tunnel project under the Napthine government’s code of practice for the building industry.
Victorian Treasurer Michael O’Brien said yesterday the preferred bidder for the first section of the cross-Melbourne project had signed up to the government’s construction code.

The code, when fully enacted, will seeks to guarantee freedom of association, ruling out side agreements or other behaviour favouring one union over another.
The code has been opposed steadfastly by the Construction Forestry Mining and Engineering Union building division, making it problematic for it to be represented on-site.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...freeze-out-cfmeu/story-e6frgczx-1227053137186

Victoria, the rust bucket state.
Lickspittle of the union thugocracy and the greens.
The end of a once proud party representing the working class of this state.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Guessing by the meltdown that Jane has property in Kew or similar. Sucks not to get your $10 billion road that's useless for everyone else in the state.

 

[GuruJane]

CFMEU Construction Division, for obvious reasons, were big supporters of the EW Link. More myth trading. The CFMEU Premier is letting his thug mates down.

And of course there won't be any pesky building codes when CFMEU builds metrolink.
Will there comrade Contra?

 

[RightorKhan]

Can some clarify for me what is the difference between a so called union run state and an IPA/Big Business Lobbyist run federal government?

For mine it is simple, if the Libs had carried a cost benefit analysis, had a mandate from the people to sign the contract then no problem.
However neither of these things happened and so they proceeded to sign a contract (and a nice generous side letter for their mates). The issue for mine is surely Labor knew it couldn't get out of it without paying some compensation but still in the end better than setting aside $9 billion of debt for the next generation.

If anyone can't see that the problem lies between them both then they really need to check their objectivity at the door.

Unions look after the workers and intimidate corrupt right leaning industries (who constantly irk IR laws) from doing the wrong thing. They keep the unethical unfair scum in line. Whereas IPA's and lawyers expect to be able to treat their workers like slaves as they're building their wealth off those very people.

Get rid of the unions and we'll become as disgusting as America.

 

[Pessimistic]

What guff you write. You know perfectly well the CFMEU Premier in waiting made that decision to please his thug union supporters and to shore up inner city seats from the greens. Latter didn't work so well

Victoria. The Rust Bucket State.

So you dont share my view napthine prioritised EW to form a political wedge, despite other projects giving more return. Even the westren half would have been better for the state, but not for the wedge factor.

Thats why im dirty on them more than anything else

 

[pazza]

Eddington's view is in stark contrast to Infrastructure Australia, a federal bureaucracy. IA found that the EW Link was a white elephant.

 

[Lebbo73]

Unions look after the workers and intimidate corrupt right leaning industries (who constantly irk IR laws) from doing the wrong thing. They keep the unethical unfair scum in line. Whereas IPA's and lawyers expect to be able to treat their workers like slaves as they're building their wealth off those very people.

Get rid of the unions and we'll become as disgusting as America.

Please stop posting dribble.

 

[Pessimistic]

Eddington's view is in stark contrast to Infrastructure Australia, a federal bureaucracy. IA found that the EW Link was a white elephant.

I wouldnt go that far, but its not high priority, and was botched by Napthine. They probably rushed because they were behind because of the bailleu tumblweed period.

Bracks first few years were wasted too. Lets hope theres better next time the government changes

 

[Lester Burnham]

seeing as the brumby government seriously proposed it, and its at the top of the list of infrastructure Australia, Id say brumby was bleedin Nostradamus to set the distraction up five years out.

So it's has been upteen years in the planning and not going to happen for another upteen years, if ever, but they just happened to announce it a couple of days after the EW announcement? Righto...