Vic E/W Link / Metro Rail / Large projects

[Pessimistic]

Although the intention is to run dedicated rail stock on each segregated line, would they really seal off the pakeham line from its current route through south yarra ?

Surely for redundancy that option would still be there, say for example when on line is being worked on or has bee affected by a disaster

 

[meltiger]

Although the intention is to run dedicated rail stock on each segregated line, would they really seal off the pakeham line from its current route through south yarra ?

Surely for redundancy that option would still be there, say for example when on line is being worked on or has bee affected by a disaster

Good point, they won't be able to because I doubt the Sale line and/or the goods trains will go into Metro, so they won't cut the link off altogether.

What I can see happening long term is shuttles running back and forth between Caulfield and Richmond on major event days (All footy games and anything likely to get 50k+ at the G otherwise)

But will they think of that front up? I'm not too sure about that

Will also be interesting to see if Caulfield gets an upgrade. Footscray has already had one as part of Regional (I'm lucky enough to have spent most of the last 10 years living on both lines so know them intimately). Caulfield doesn't need the full rebuild that Footscray has had because we'll never see separated lines between V Line and Suburban, but certainly if people are going to be switching at Caulfield, I wonder if we could possibly see a southern overhead walkway, similar to what they did at North Melbourne a few years back to help spread the load.

 

[Qsaint]

Edit - Re read your post, not sure why we are talking about the Libs plan? Hand on heart, I have to admit to being a lifelong Liberal voter, having said that, the Casino line was a turd. The Eddington/Labor plan is far superior. But it's a once in 50 years chance to get something right, and I'm not 100% leaving South Yarra out of the link IS the optimal solution. Particularly when the stretch between Caulfield and South Yarra is not the source of the problems on the two lines.

According to the link someone posted the line is going straight up toorak road cut and cover it must be going under the sandy line and then back up so it doesn't reach Sth yarra could they put a linked platform probably

 

[meltiger]

Agree QS on what it seems they intend to do, re cut and cover along Toorak Road. Once past Punt Road that wouldn't be overly disruptive, so it absolutely makes sense.

It's interesting they talk about not wanting to aquire properties etc, yet the local mp (Greens) is quoted in the article as wanting the station. I'd have also thought a bit disingenuous citing the new high rise as a reason not too - Looking at the map in the Age article, it's going under the existing lines before South Yarra station, and that new apartment building is being built on the Eastern side of the station - The tunnel won't go underneath it, so how any underground platforms would impact i'm a touch confused.

Admitedly I'm no expert, just don't see how you couldn't run the platform following Toorak Road's path, and have an exit/connection up to the existing station at the Eastern End.

Wolli Creek which got built as part of the Sydney Airport line is an example of what I'm thinking. The East Hills line goes under the South line, with a connection from the East Hills platforms at the Western End of the station. In fairness, obviously there were no existing property concerns where those two lines cross when it was constructed.

 

[Fire]

So the people who might have switched at youth yarra would do so at caulfield ?

Is that it ?

A bit like passengers at camberwell switch for alamein, lilydale or belgrave. Or switch at ringwood ?
Whats the difference

The difference is that it bypasses an entire line. How are people on the sandringham line going to get to the domain interchange? Its a pretty big gap. If you don't connect your lines, then you have no 'metro' system.

I voted for Melbourne metro. Either build it properly or let someone else do it. I don't want a city that's loceked into half arsed infrastructure, and I won't be swinging from labour come the next election.

 

[Qsaint]

The difference is that it bypasses an entire line. How are people on the sandringham line going to get to the domain interchange? Its a pretty big gap. If you don't connect your lines, then you have no 'metro' system.

I voted for Melbourne metro. Either build it properly or let someone else do it. I don't want a city that's loceked into half arsed infrastructure, and I won't be swinging from labour come the next election.

It takes 10 minutes walking or you could catch the tram down toorak road 3 or 4 stops, or you could get the tram down high st or commercial road or get off further back and catch a tram at the start of st kilda road.

Or who gives a $$$$, because no on votes alp down that line which is probably the real reason

 

[RightorKhan]

I wonder what Napthines doing right now lulz

 

[Jiska]

I know nothing about this either.

Can someone provide a link?

Anyone?

 

[Ice-Wolf]

The pakenham line could run through the metro whilst the cranbourne continues through the loop. The Frankston line will still connect all the lines anyway.

The sandingham line really doesn't need a connection to the new domain station because their is going to be interchanges at flinders St and Melbourne Central and let's face it trams at South Yarra an Richmond within spitting distance.

One problem is that neither side really wants to borrow money to pay for anything or raise levies, but love to point the finger at each other.

I wouldn't be surprised if the real problem is the disruption that would be caused if the had to shutdown the current station for any long period of time to build the metro platforms under it which would probably be the best solution but for having to close the 2 biggest lines and the one the rich use. If we had middle and outer loop lines this wouldn't be a problem.

 

[Pessimistic]

First level crossing removals signed up. Batch of four at about half a billion dollars.

Two were already in planning and funded by the last govt so I guess you could say the current govt is doubling the pace.

Will need to quadruple the pace to meet the 50 over two terms target. One would hope the gauntlet is thrown down to all future governments and the public will demand continuation. Benefits both road and rail traffic.

This way we might remove level crossings in 50 years not 250

 

[tandino]

First level crossing removals signed up. Batch of four at about half a billion dollars.

Two were already in planning and funded by the last govt so I guess you could say the current govt is doubling the pace.

Will need to quadruple the pace to meet the 50 over two terms target. One would hope the gauntlet is thrown down to all future governments and the public will demand continuation. Benefits both road and rail traffic.

This way we might remove level crossings in 50 years not 250

Some of those crossings will be hard hard work. Heatherdale Road and Mountain Highway/Scoresby Road come to mind.

 

[Pessimistic]

I hear the train disruption can be minimised to 35 days each

 

[Ice-Wolf]

I hear the train disruption can be minimised to 35 days each

The Frankston line ones a pretty much adjacent, less disruption to do them all at the same time, surprised that Glenhuntly and the other one on that stretch between Caulfield and Cheltenham haven't been announced yet.

 

[Jiska]

Why is everyone discussing the Metro Rail bypassing South Yarra station when no one can provide a link to show this is the case? I can't find any info to substantiate the claim and requests for links are ignored. Just because someone posts in here claiming it, doesn't make it so?

 

[RightorKhan]

Everyone take a moment to remember when the dream came alive for all the wealthy eastern residents:

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/eastwest-road-tunnel-back-on-the-agenda-20111111-1nbws.html

And when it died (lulz):

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-...gal-consultant-fees-to-dump-east-west/6456648

May their commute be unbearable from here on in. Could always just use both "the private" Alamein and Glen Waverly lines (single track/uninterrupted/no other lines/commercial/country trains). Or even the pretentious tram that stretches all the way out to Vermont!!!

I suppose we could just deservice the Alamein line (given Ringwood line is within 1km of Camberwell, and Ashburton within 300m of Jordanville station :S) and force these people to drive to work. This would mean the ticket money could now go on tolls, and the project could be privately funded and paid for by the people who only live in that region, without using taxpayers from south east suburbs to fund their own road.

 

[Juddism]

Why is everyone discussing the Metro Rail bypassing South Yarra station when no one can provide a link to show this is the case? I can't find any info to substantiate the claim and requests for links are ignored. Just because someone posts in here claiming it, doesn't make it so?

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/t...south-yarra-and-richmond-20150418-1mnyqn.html

mainly reported on the TV news.

 

[tandino]

Everyone take a moment to remember when the dream came alive for all the wealthy eastern residents:

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/eastwest-road-tunnel-back-on-the-agenda-20111111-1nbws.html

And when it died (lulz):

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-...gal-consultant-fees-to-dump-east-west/6456648

May their commute be unbearable from here on in. Could always just use both "the private" Alamein and Glen Waverly lines (single track/uninterrupted/no other lines/commercial/country trains). Or even the pretentious tram that stretches all the way out to Vermont!!!

I suppose we could just deservice the Alamein line (given Ringwood line is within 1km of Camberwell, and Ashburton within 300m of Jordanville station :S) and force these people to drive to work. This would mean the ticket money could now go on tolls, and the project could be privately funded and paid for by the people who only live in that region, without using taxpayers from south east suburbs to fund their own road.

Whatever is wrong with you, is not a little thing.

The wealthy eastern suburbs residents that you hate so much from Glen Waverley use the Monash anyway.

 

[Pessimistic]

Everyone take a moment to remember when the dream came alive for all the wealthy eastern residents:

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/eastwest-road-tunnel-back-on-the-agenda-20111111-1nbws.html

And when it died (lulz):

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-...gal-consultant-fees-to-dump-east-west/6456648

May their commute be unbearable from here on in. Could always just use both "the private" Alamein and Glen Waverly lines (single track/uninterrupted/no other lines/commercial/country trains). Or even the pretentious tram that stretches all the way out to Vermont!!!

I suppose we could just deservice the Alamein line (given Ringwood line is within 1km of Camberwell, and Ashburton within 300m of Jordanville station :S) and force these people to drive to work. This would mean the ticket money could now go on tolls, and the project could be privately funded and paid for by the people who only live in that region, without using taxpayers from south east suburbs to fund their own road.

Thanks for the link, but EW link was aimed at swinging outer east seats, theres nothing to be gained form places like camberwell, where I live.
Incidentally we were going to get a nice station upgrade but the good people of camberwell manned the barricades to preserve the ugly existing station beggars belief really

If gurujane is still reading, you linked to an article with this quote. How does this sit with rustbucket bailleu ?
Danger of losing workers ? It had already happened, and two years later east west link hadnt started
Just makes the job harder for dan really. And commonwealth money ? Its gone, or in that stupid box abbott says its locked away in

ed strong criticism earlier this year for being one of the only states that failed to submit a list of proposals to Infrastructure Australia for independent assessment. The Age revealed in June that Treasurer Kim Wells has ordered his department to urgently get to work on an infrastructure plan after being warned the state is at risk of losing investment and skilled workers to NSW and Queensland.

 

[Jiska]

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/t...south-yarra-and-richmond-20150418-1mnyqn.html

mainly reported on the TV news.

Awesome. That's what I've been after, thanks

To me, South Yarra is neither here nor there. Skipping Richmond is the main problem. I can't see why they can't run every second Dandenong train via Richmond and the alternatives via Metro rail and do the same with the Frankston line, giving commuters from both lines a choice on which way they want to travel.

 

[GuruJane]

First level crossing removals signed up. Batch of four at about half a billion dollars.

Two were already in planning and funded by the last govt so I guess you could say the current govt is doubling the pace.

Will need to quadruple the pace to meet the 50 over two terms target. One would hope the gauntlet is thrown down to all future governments and the public will demand continuation. Benefits both road and rail traffic.

This way we might remove level crossings in 50 years not 250

aw Pess the greencreeps have landed you in lalaland.

 

[GuruJane]

If gurujane is still reading, you linked to an article with this quote. How does this sit with rustbucket bailleu ?
Danger of losing workers ? It had already happened, and two years later east west link hadnt started
Just makes the job harder for dan really. And commonwealth money ? Its gone, or in that stupid box abbott says its locked away in

That article featuring redTed was dated 2011 - he wanted to do it but had to find the funding.

The funding didn't materialise until Tony got elected and put in 3 billion, Pess. That was in 2013. That's why it took another two years. Okay?
Honestly, have the greencreeps overtaken all your braincells?

but EW link was aimed at swinging outer east seats, theres nothing to be gained form places like camberwell, where I live.

Classic rust bucket greencreep thinking.

Incidentally we were going to get a nice station upgrade but the good people of camberwell manned the barricades to preserve the ugly existing station beggars belief really

And so's that. Serves you right.

Haven't you even got a level crossing in Camberwell for the CFMEU premier of the rust bucket greencreep state to blow the coalition's surpluses on?

 

[Pessimistic]

That article featuring redTed was dated 2011 - he wanted to do it but had to find the funding.

The funding didn't materialise until Tony got elected and put in 3 billion, Pess. That was in 2013. That's why it took another two years. Okay?
Honestly, have the greencreeps overtaken all your braincells?


Classic rust bucket greencreep thinking.



And so's that. Serves you right.

Haven't you even got a level crossing in Camberwell for the CFMEU premier of the rust bucket greencreep state to blow the coalition's surpluses on?

I can see why you avoided my point, but victoria is light on federal funding because bailleu was asleep at the helm, or chastising journos for daring to ask why he was the worst premier ever.

There was funding available but they chose to sit on their hands. Then napthine came in with all the excuses you are parroting
Abbotts not in a hurry to redress the balance because hes being dodgy with his budget reporting and hes punishing us for daring to vote labour

Theres an easy answer to that

And by the way, we have level crossings in camberwell - alamein line but they are low priority, like the brighton one bailleu used purely to get elected. Did that even happen ?, no wonder rusty spoon ted got the boot

 

[Pessimistic]

Awesome. That's what I've been after, thanks

To me, South Yarra is neither here nor there. Skipping Richmond is the main problem. I can't see why they can't run every second Dandenong train via Richmond and the alternatives via Metro rail and do the same with the Frankston line, giving commuters from both lines a choice on which way they want to travel.

The plan is consitent with rail authority planning which has been in place for years.

Difference is labor respect public authorities who have years of experience. Its the libs who think theyknow better typical lawyers and accountants and spin jockeys

 

[GuruJane]

I can see why you avoided my point, but victoria is light on federal funding because bailleu was asleep at the helm,

Don't be so ridiculous. The Labor government in Canberra between 2011-13 would have had zilch interest in funding east west link let alone 3 billion.

There was funding available but they chose to sit on their hands. Then napthine came in with all the excuses you are parroting
Abbotts not in a hurry to redress the balance because hes being dodgy with his budget reporting and hes punishing us for daring to vote labour

Theres an easy answer to that

And by the way, we have level crossings in camberwell - alamein line but they are low priority, like the brighton one bailleu used purely to get elected. Did that even happen ?, no wonder rusty spoon ted got the boot

Sadly incoherent. Drinking this early in the day?

 

[Pessimistic]

Don't be so ridiculous. The Labor governmentnin Canberra between 2011-13 would have had zilch interest in funding east west link let alone 3 billion.



Sadly incoherent. Drinking this early in the day?

Maybe incoherant but more right than you - what was bailleus excuse. Did nothing - funding was available and the then alp commonwaelth govt were exasperated than nothing was being requested