Dayne Beams (merged - latest "He could not stand the pressure)

[popin]

Why does anyone give a flying s**t about Gold Coast and Brisbane to the point that its causing an argument on the Collingwood board?

Yep ill second that as who cares or gives a p#o about GC, FIZBANE and also beams as the state he gets in out. We have a bunch of exciting kids to sit back and watch, analyze, pump up or pick apart like many do who take the negative view so yeh
No point talking about QLD when we have the biggest and best club in the country down here in victoria who everyone loves to hate.
We turned our self's from being a poor struggling club that had ideas and innervation to become a powerhouse club on and off the field abit like manchester city has now, also what chicago bulls did with jordan making the chicago brand bigger than everyone else

 

[Maggie5]

Whose Dayne Beams? Does he play AFL?

 

[bato]

I think you'll find many have questioned Beams defensive efforts prior to leaving for Brisbane. It's no secret than Beams and Swan are fantastic going forward but rarely will they be seen in the defensive end of the ground helping out.

But still it doesn't change the fact Beams is no longer a player for us, and to be honest I couldn't care about who is better in a state that doesn't even care about it's own teams yet why we should be arguing it. Not having a dig at you haha it's the Collingwood supporters arguing between each other that I don't understand.

It's like us arguing between ourselves about who has a better list out of Bulldogs and Melbourne. It really doesn't matter.

All good. Just find it funny how it's being brought up even when he's no longer a Pies player. It's like some Coll fans want a reaction out of the Lions fans/other fans when they mention his poor defensive efforts.

FWIW, Bulldogs have the better list.

 

[PieMan!]

It's your standard, "GC are like sooooo much better than those Brisbane spuds" kinda reply that started this argument on your own board. In reality, most are only saying that because it makes them feel better for losing Beams to the Lions... which in turn has made the Lions midfield stronger. It's the truth. Part of the reason why some are slagging Beams' defensive efforts at the Pies.

No, not at all Gold Coast are just a lot better of a lot side than Brisbane.

 

[popin]

All good. Just find it funny how it's being brought up even when he's no longer a Pies player. It's like some Coll fans want a reaction out of the Lions fans/other fans when they mention his poor defensive efforts.

FWIW, Bulldogs have the better list.

i find it funny your wasting your time with c##p annoying posts on our thread witch you seem to have a reaction your self about what pies fans have to say on this thread to have to reply

 

[bato]

i find it funny your wasting your time with c##p annoying posts on our thread witch you seem to have a reaction your self about what pies fans have to say on this thread to have to reply

 

[Good_Old]

Why do you have Jonathan Marsh with a photoshopped brions jumper as your avatar?

 

[THATSGOLD]

Yet the 2 best sides last year have a riches of key Forwards that is the envy of all other teams

I saw McCaffer replace Cloke in 2010 against the saints when Cloke was suspended for 2 matches and we destroyed them.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Yet the 2 best sides last year have a riches of key Forwards that is the envy of all other teams

How did that work for Sydney? Hawks lost Franklin and went even better. Sydney stacked their forward line with Tippett Goodes Reid and Franklin and failed. Hawks only needed Gunston and Roughead and Roughead played in the midfield a lot in 2014 anyway.

 

[mike123]

I can name names too... Zorko Martin Christensen Hanley Mayes Beams Gardiner Luenberger Robinson Adcock..

Those guys are midfielders, except for Robinson who is spud.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Those guys are midfielders, except for Robinson who is spud.

So are half the guys you named. Robinson isn't a spud. He was Carltons best player when we played them. He can play its his personality that lets him down.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Hanley is a half back flanker.
Christensen is a small forward.
Martin is a ruck/forward.
Just clearing that up.

 

[76woodenspooners]

All good. Just find it funny how it's being brought up even when he's no longer a Pies player. It's like some Coll fans want a reaction out of the Lions fans/other fans when they mention his poor defensive efforts.

He was a player who scorned us, it'll take us a few years to get over it. Some of us keep banging on about Chris Dawes and he left two years ago!

It could be worse - it takes us a lot longer to get over our senior coaches who scorn us

 

[mike123]

Hanley is a half back flanker.
Christensen is a small forward.
Martin is a ruck/forward.
Just clearing that up.

Martin only been good as a ruckman. As a forward he is serviceable at best, Goldcaost tall forwards are better. Hanley used to be a half back flanker, he is now a midfielder. Christensen is a midfielder/forward I'll give you that but he isn't a true small forward.

 

[Collingwoodity]

Perhaps what he said is true.

Maybe it was true. But herein lies the difference between Beams and a number of other humans. There is something to be said about someone knowing when to say something which is true which may cause offence and when to not say something which, whilst true, may cause offence.

It is called class or tact.

Beams does not have it.

Not rocking up to the B n' F was tactless and classless, taking a swipe at a supporter on Twitter was tactless and classless and having a veiled swipe at the Collingwood playing group and his former teammates was tactless and classless.

No other way to see it.

 

[didaksrightfoot]

How did that work for Sydney?

They were top of the ladder, and made it to the GF.

Hawks lost Franklin and went even better. Sydney stacked their forward line with Tippett Goodes Reid and Franklin and failed. Hawks only needed Gunston and Roughead and Roughead played in the midfield a lot in 2014 anyway.

That doesn't really help your case at all.
Hawthorn had 3 guys in the top 9 for goals last year (and only Bruest can you argue is not a KPF, but still kicked 57 goals) - and for what you call a "midfielder" Roughy kicked 75 goals for the year - ie. he was not a midfielder... he was a Key Forward who would go into the midfield for the occasional centre bounce because the team had that luxury.

And Sydney had the Coleman medalist, and 2 in the top 10 for goals per game (Tippet only played 14 games - but still finished with 34 goals).
You can argue that Sydney were a bit too top heavy... but any of the other 16 teams would give anything to have those sort of riches up forward.

How does any of this support your argument that you don't need key forwards in the modern game?

 

[THATSGOLD]

They were top of the ladder, and made it to the GF.



That doesn't really help your case at all.
Hawthorn had 3 guys in the top 9 for goals last year (and only Bruest can you argue is not a KPF, but still kicked 57 goals) - and for what you call a "midfielder" Roughy kicked 75 goals for the year - ie. he was not a midfielder... he was a Key Forward who would go into the midfield for the occasional centre bounce because the team had that luxury.

And Sydney had the Coleman medalist, and 2 in the top 10 for goals per game (Tippet only played 14 games - but still finished with 34 goals).
You can argue that Sydney were a bit too top heavy... but any of the other 16 teams would give anything to have those sort of riches up forward.

How does any of this support your argument that you don't need key forwards in the modern game?

Roughead played midfeild as well like it or not. Breust is a small. Big example that you don't need to be so conscious of big guys forward. We rely too much on Cloke under Buckley.

 

[loki04]

I couldn't give a flying fcuk about beams. GC has more talent period.

 

[didaksrightfoot]

Roughead played midfeild as well like it or not. Breust is a small. Big example that you don't need to be so conscious of big guys forward. We rely too much on Cloke under Buckley.

Thats like saying Keefe is a forward because he has played there occasionally.
Roughead is primarily a KPF who occasionally went into the midfield because they had that luxury and he had that ability in spurts - that does not make him a midfielder. This is not a case like Pavlich where he had extended periods (ie. weeks at a time) where he would be played primarily as a midfielder.

Yes we rely on Cloke too much - but that has more to do with other players in the forward line (bar Elliot) not stepping up, and our midfield not giving our forwards good delivery, and becoming too Cloke-focused whenever the pressure is on. That does not mean that we would be better off not having Cloke - which is effectively what you are saying by suggesting that you don't need Key Forwards in the modern game... while I would argue that having a forward like Cloke is a much bigger advantage when the rest of our forward line, and our midfield, are playing effectively - which they haven't really done for the last couple of years.

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

Roughead played midfeild as well like it or not. Breust is a small. Big example that you don't need to be so conscious of big guys forward. We rely too much on Cloke under Buckley.

No - it's because Tarrant retired, as did Leigh Brown and Medhurst. Brad Dick quit, Rusling and Reid are cursed, White, Dawes, Paine, the two other Clokes and Lynch are spuds, Moore was only just drafted, Gualt is a kid, Elliot barely got on the park this year and Goldsack too busy covering our Rookie backline.

They've tried, but everything doesn't always align all the time you know! Players like Travis Cloke aren't exactly common and plans don't always work out for other players...so to put it down to Buckley and Buckley only is just a tad, well. Ignorant.

 

[mike123]

Elliott played 17 games this year.

 

[THATSGOLD]

No - it's because Tarrant retired, as did Leigh Brown and Medhurst. Brad Dick quit, Rusling and Reid are cursed, White, Dawes, Paine, the two other Clokes and Lynch are spuds, Moore was only just drafted, Gualt is a kid, Elliot barely got on the park this year and Goldsack too busy covering our Rookie backline.

They've tried, but everything doesn't always align all the time you know! Players like Travis Cloke aren't exactly common and plans don't always work out for other players...so to put it down to Buckley and Buckley only is just a tad, well. Ignorant.

Drafting White and Lynch for replacements for Dawes and Leroy were two of our biggest mistakes.

 

[jmac70]

Drafting White and Lynch for replacements for Dawes and Leroy were two of our biggest mistakes.

Except that White was drafted to replace Lynch. Other than that minor factual error you are spot on.

 

[gutsroy]

Brisbanes whole world will come crashing down when we demolish them in round 1.

I fear I won't be able to hold myself back from giving it to some of the smug Brissy fans and will get suspended.

Just out of interest, what does it actually take to get suspended? Am guessing it goes beyond dropping by and telling them to suffer in their jocks, but how much further does it have to go for a suspension?

 

[Maggie5]

Just out of interest, what does it actually take to get suspended? Am guessing it goes beyond dropping by and telling them to suffer in their jocks, but how much further does it have to go for a suspension?

I think that will do it.