Call me naive, but I am looking forward to the wedge being buried in australain politics. Or at least not the default go to strategy
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Call me naive, but I am looking forward to the wedge being buried in australain politics. Or at least not the default go to strategy
Pazza - why don't any of these serious issues get a mention in the reports of the settlement?
Just beat up bullshit from you Pazz?
Your second quote made reference to the safety issue with the trauma cover.
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So you're a strong supporter of the FTTH NBN?
Well, we don't have privately owned trains. They are a regulated industry. The NBN is something that the private sector could have provided given the opportunity. But that wouldn't help country Australia where the benefits would not outweigh the costs.
Most major cities have a train to the airport. It's odd that in Melbourne, a city with such a reliance on its large public transport system which is just about the best in Australia, we don't have a train to the airport. A government had a plan for one and it was scrapped after that change of government.
Most major cities have a train to the airport. It's odd that in Melbourne, a city with such a reliance on its large public transport system which is just about the best in Australia, we don't have a train to the airport. A government had a plan for one and it was scrapped after that change of government.
There's a nasty little contract in the way. Just another dodgy deal by Jeff.
Haven't we proven in Victoria contracts can ... go away?
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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/a...s-are-still-on-the-shelf-20150921-gjrxba.html
Anyone else think that the original plans (image at end of article) with the arched roof are light years better than any of the new proposals, why not just finish it as to the original design?
EDIT: Here's the Picture (courtesy State Library of Victoria)
Anyone else think that the original plans (image at end of article) with the arched roof are light years better than any of the new proposals, why not just finish it as to the original design?
EDIT: Here's the Picture (courtesy State Library of Victoria)
Just out of interest Pazza do you know if any proper costing has been done on it?
Ie: We already have Skybus which is expensive but works well in my experience. Skybus is closer to turn up and go than any of the rail lines right now.
Would we not be better spending any such money on expanding the network rather than building a line already well serviced by a dedicated bus service?
Whilst it would be nice, shouldn't the bigger priorities be things such as Doncaster, Rowville, duplication and expansion of Cranbourne to East Cranbourne?
We have a new parcel of land just released out in Melton, surely electrifying to Melton now has to be looked at as well as a bigger priority?
In terms of costs-benefits, successive governments of all colours have tried to make the sums work on a Doncaster train line.
All have failed. It will never happen.
Rowville probably would have been viable if Waverley Park were still an AFL venue. Good thing Bracks saved it.
Cranbourne I can't speak about.
All have failed. It will never happen.
Rowville probably would have been viable if Waverley Park were still an AFL venue. Good thing Bracks saved it.
Cranbourne I can't speak about.
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I'd suggest they've tried to make the sums not work so that they don't have to build it, they try the opposite when it comes to roads.
Fair point on Doncaster. I'm just sceptical given RRL is the first new line added to the network in how many years?
Rowville would be fine. Similarly to Labors version of metro it would service a major Uni as well as the housing estates further east. If you used the Huntingdale rather than GW option
Cranbourne, admittedly selfish given I'm living in Lyndhurst. Though I'll be back west before its ever fixed. Virtually single track from Dandenong to Cranbourne, which means short running multiple services every peak to keep their KPIs ticking along. Estate after estate being built in the area, with no plans to fix the existing issues on the line OR expand at all. It's madness. They will have a diabolical situation in 20 years time if the groundwork isn't done now
Rowville would be fine. Similarly to Labors version of metro it would service a major Uni as well as the housing estates further east. If you used the Huntingdale rather than GW option
Cranbourne, admittedly selfish given I'm living in Lyndhurst. Though I'll be back west before its ever fixed. Virtually single track from Dandenong to Cranbourne, which means short running multiple services every peak to keep their KPIs ticking along. Estate after estate being built in the area, with no plans to fix the existing issues on the line OR expand at all. It's madness. They will have a diabolical situation in 20 years time if the groundwork isn't done now
It's so hard to live in this day and age with so many truly, truly evil people running for office. 
The sunset clause on the toll road has finished
The line to Melton needs to be duplicated first, then electrified. However, the latter is impacted on by RRL, so further tracks may need to be built between Robinsons Road and Sunshine. New station to be built at Christies Road (Caroline Springs), upgrade of Rockbank and Melton stations as well.
My solution to the rail link to the airport is actually a lot simpler than anything else, as it uses current track for the most part.
RRL included the construction of Platforms 15 and 16 at Southern Cross. Curious to me is the lack of Geelong services to and from that platform. Most services off-peak go from Platform 1. So, whilst Traralgon/Sale/Bairnsdale services use Platform 16, it is under used.
Why not run services from Platform 15, via the freight /XPT line through Albion and build the remaining track from Keilor Park.
When Jeff and Transurban signed the CityLink con tract and then the Skybus contract, it made the rail link a distant possibility.
Contracts can be terminated.
We have the technology.
We have the technology.
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Do you think you're being clever by constantly repeating things that are clearly wrong and called out as such, but make the Liberals look better?
Cancelling that contract cost taxpayers a lot of money. The Liberals signing it was an utter, utter disgrace. The worst example of cynical politics in my life.
Google tells me that the Skybus contract has been reviewed and re signed in 2002 & 2008. Not sure what that has to do with Kennett? If there was a nasty contained in it surely the Labor government could have removed such clauses?
What specifically is in the CL contracts that prevent a rail link to Tulla?
A contract is a contract, and governments are able to enter into them between being sworn in and the caretaker period. If we are going to talk about bad contracts, then the Desalinisation plant and Myki come to mind, which the Baillieu Government honoured for two reasons: cost and principle.
If cancelling that one and the cost involved is a good idea, then perhaps building a rail link to the airport would be a good idea even if contracts had to be "torn up" or re-negotiated.
What makes Melbourne so unique that is does not need a train to the Airport, other than a contract? BTW, I don't remember that contract being mentioned when the Melbourne Metro Plan of the previous government was being promoted.
If cancelling that one and the cost involved is a good idea, then perhaps building a rail link to the airport would be a good idea even if contracts had to be "torn up" or re-negotiated.
What makes Melbourne so unique that is does not need a train to the Airport, other than a contract? BTW, I don't remember that contract being mentioned when the Melbourne Metro Plan of the previous government was being promoted.
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Everyone knows the difference between those contracts, but good luck with your campaigning.
What? The answer to grave safety issues is not to address the issue directly so that it doesn't occur - but to provide paid leave after it does? Excuse moi but
What a fantastic con. You really should not be peddling these lurks here as addressing safety issues, Pazz.
Safety, of all things, should be taken seriously. Remember the pink batts?
A delightful response that excuses yourself from explaining yourself.
Nothing there were clauses in some of the contracts that would invoke penalties if a rail line was built. They have lapsed. It just lefties doing what the do best whingeing about the liberals for the sake of it rather than getting on with life
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