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Sorry, which ones of Masten, Shuey, Priddis, Selwood, Rosa, Wellingham, Gaff were recruited because they are "athletic run all day players first and foremost"?
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Sorry, which ones of Masten, Shuey, Priddis, Selwood, Rosa, Wellingham, Gaff were recruited because they are "athletic run all day players first and foremost"?
Masten.
Remember all those houses he trained down in the preseason!!
Gaff is also an endurance runner who lacks top speed or size.
Both run all day but can't win a contested situation to save themselves.
Sure they might know a bit about footy but at their size and lack of top speed they get run over too easily.
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This paragraph crystallises all my thoughts about our goody goody behaviour. Well put.
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They weren't drafted as athletic types who run all day and can't play footy as claimed by the poster I was responding to.
They were top end talented footballers. Masten a top end inside player.
There were doubts about how they might project at AFL level but they weren't drafted as athletes who couldn't play.
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Agree they could play football but they lack speed, size and contested ball winning ability.
Masten may have been an inside player in U12'sbut he sure isn't at the AFL level.
Agree. I advocated against picking Gaff because he was vanilla and lacked any line breaking skills which I reckoned we needed. He can play but has some limitations.
Masten is just small and seems to intentional avoid any body clashes, handballs recklessly when a tackle seems imminent etc.
But they weren't drafted as athletes rather as footballers first. I think we all now understand that it's about drafting footballers but also about ruling lines through those whose football attributes translate poorly to AFL level.
So how would you say they've addressed that by drafting Duggan and Waterman?
I watched Waterman for East Perth in the weekend and he has quite neat disposal but has been punched out of the same machine as Gaff, Masten etc, so i question the philosophy of the recruiting team
Agreed.
That isn't easy drafting 18 year olds. We need an Olli Wines brute of a kid.
We need Waterman to develop quickly, but his top speed isn't that great is it?
I hope Colledge gets a run for an extended period. People say he's not quick but neither is Mundy.
At least Colledge has some size to him.
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Waterman seems very inside and one paced on initial observations, but that left foot is good and he seems to have decent awareness. He seems likely an inside mid who can hurt with his kicking, so there's a chance of some upside and he was a late pick.
Duggan looks good early, obviously he's got to get stronger but he's got good skills a good/quick footy brain and he's quick enough on first impressions. I wanted Nakia, but he was gone. I've got some hope for Duggan.
Although I'd add that neither address the height issue unless the have unexpected late growth spurts
I think Yeo is the obvious taller, faster mid and saying we need him down back is a cop out. * down back at this point, we aren't winning anything this year, develop the midfield
We are all questioning the philosophy of the recruiting team but Waterman was basically a freebee at the end of the draft.
Waterman seems very inside and one paced on initial observations, but that left foot is good and he seems to have decent awareness. He seems likely an inside mid who can hurt with his kicking, so there's a chance of some upside and he was a late pick.
Duggan looks good early, obviously he's got to get stronger but he's got good skills a good/quick footy brain and he's quick enough on first impressions. I wanted Nakia, but he was gone. I've got some hope for Duggan.
Although I'd add that neither address the height issue unless the have unexpected late growth spurts
I think Yeo is the obvious taller, faster mid and saying we need him down back is a cop out. **** down back at this point, we aren't winning anything this year, develop the midfield
Yeah I guess I don't see the variety that makes a midfield.
A Blakely type and or a Weller/Garlett type, with pace gives that variety? And no I'm not blowing our trumpet just looking at the mix you have.
Agree on Yeo. Think he's a jet.
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Obviously they need a better mix, but they were just taken apart in the middle by a 21 year old shorter than 180cm with no real outstanding athletic attributes.
To be fair he's number 5 on the list of players who need attention, and is part of that variety.
He brings a lot to the table though
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Yeo is the only athlete in our 22. He is a wizard and can do anything. Calling our other midfielders 'athletes' is a total joke.
Lamb is a bit of an athlete if you want to look at our recent draftees, Duggo, Nelly and Waterman not so much.
Lamb is a bit of an athlete if you want to look at our recent draftees, Duggo, Nelly and Waterman not so much.
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Yeah, but were any of their blokes getting attention? Shuey just about the only one, and it wasn't a Crowley style clamp down either. The mediocre personnel hurts, but I don't see many of their players hunt the ball in the contest. Wait, yes I do. The ruckman. The bloke whose job it is to have a 120kg monster bash into him is the only one doing the hard work at ground level. Pretty unfair I think. It's basically a one-man Naitanui show and the midfield around him are chip scabs.
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To be fair, he's got quality all around him. If he was in a s**t team (say, ours?) he wouldn't be as much of a ball magnet.
You're right though, says alot about our midfield yet again, when all 5 of the oppositions midfielders had better games than ours. Not exactly new.
No arguments here. Priddis won a Brownlow though
yeah, and the space we were getting at the stoppages had to be seen live at the ground to be believed.
They had no idea how to block the space or set up
if gold coast have a bad year, wonder if we could lure a Bennell or jack martin maybe even david swallow
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I remember the same thing happening pre-Lyon, and especially in the Connolly days, when the mids would set up at clearances backing Sandilands to win it, and against smarter opposition they'd lose and the ball would be walked out. Still happened from time to time last year, but Lyon has nearly stamped it out.
Hill hit a few contests harder than any West Coast player yesterday. According to Eagles fans he's soft. What's it say about their mids then.
Simpson persisted paying an extra back. Our first two games we've largely played with a 6 man back line and 1 extra at the contest.
You'd think he'd work that out.
Also Priddis seemed to be playing the plus one a bit. He was drifting back filling space. Man that's horrible
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Don't worry guys, Matt says he's happy that we fought back, and to our credit we beat fremantle for the other 3 quarters.
http://www.westcoasteagles.com.au/video/2015-04-19/priddis-postmatch-v-freo
Thank you Matt, and here i thought it was embarrassing. Silly me.
http://www.westcoasteagles.com.au/video/2015-04-19/priddis-postmatch-v-freo
Thank you Matt, and here i thought it was embarrassing. Silly me.
Blah Fremantle have five A grade or at the least high b grade mids. Lachie Neale has come on in leaps and bounds and is vastly underrated outside of Fremantle. Of course we all know that Fyfe, Mundy and Barlow are jets. They were always going to smash us. By drafting TUnbridge and Colledge and recently Lamb it appears that we are finally getting the message that size is important in it's own right in the midfield. Our mids looked like short people in their and were continuously exposed running forward. Goal kicking big mids should be a focus for us going forward.
The problems for me are definitely stemming from the midfield at the moment. It's been mentioned we have too many endurance runners and it's a good point. Look at Masten and dare I put it out there Gaff. Apart from glimpes they have pea hearts who need to get some mongrel in them.
I hate to pot Gaff I really liked him pre draft but by now I'd hoped he'd put some muscle on to be an effective inside and outside mid. Aggressively looking for bigger bodied midfielders via trades is critical. A free agent like Danger is probably out of reach but look at players who aren't best 22 at other clubs or look at state leagues.
We missed two experienced and hard midfielders in recent drafts (looking at 2013 in particular) in Chris Cain and Kane Lambert even Brendan Lee from the WAFL, instead going after Dylan Main who is showing nothing and I'm going to suspect had no other interest. Lambert's now at Richmond and Cain is 29 in 2016 so it's a short term gain without much long term benefit.
Be aggressive, show some balls by putting players that aren't pulling there weight up for trade.
I hate to pot Gaff I really liked him pre draft but by now I'd hoped he'd put some muscle on to be an effective inside and outside mid. Aggressively looking for bigger bodied midfielders via trades is critical. A free agent like Danger is probably out of reach but look at players who aren't best 22 at other clubs or look at state leagues.
We missed two experienced and hard midfielders in recent drafts (looking at 2013 in particular) in Chris Cain and Kane Lambert even Brendan Lee from the WAFL, instead going after Dylan Main who is showing nothing and I'm going to suspect had no other interest. Lambert's now at Richmond and Cain is 29 in 2016 so it's a short term gain without much long term benefit.
Be aggressive, show some balls by putting players that aren't pulling there weight up for trade.
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