EDFL Premier Division

[Turbos mail]

The AFL freely admit that if challenged the salary cap wouldnt have a leg to stand on in a court of law.

This is thr same with quotas in european football, the the english FA discussed having a minimum of 5 british players in evety starting team, however was told that it would be illegal.

Hey mate, just on current binding contracts which might go into next year, I'm sure clubs will need to uphold these contracts even next year under a points system. If player X is contracted to Club X for payments of $$ per week for next year they can't just rip it up and say see ya. That's not legal in any business (or hobby) that I'm aware of.

What's your opinion on this issue?

 

[snax]

Does anyone agree that Steve Krstevski is the worst coach in the premier division.

You joined Bigfooty on Sunday and you are already bagging coaches from a few leagues. You seem to have an axe to grind, did you get dropped to the two's for missing the Sunday training session mate?

 

[Yeah right]

You joined Bigfooty on Sunday and you are already bagging coaches from a few leagues. You seem to have an axe to grind, did you get dropped to the two's for missing the Sunday training session mate?

Na

You joined Bigfooty on Sunday and you are already bagging coaches from a few leagues. You seem to have an axe to grind, did you get dropped to the two's for missing the Sunday training session mate?

I played 200 + games in divi 1, won a couple flags in the nfl. How many games have you played?

 

[Joey Montoro]

Sports clubs are also classed as community organisations and can be tax exempt if they meet the required criteria.

The sports club can be tax exempt because of it's Not-For-Profit status. The players and or employees who earn money, that is provide a service, like playing, are therefore subject to tax like all of us are.

Most AFL clubs are in the same boat, but their players, would still need to do a tax return and declare their income.

It's just that the ATO don't have the resources to be chasing small fish, or on the other hand, these small fish are becoming a little bigger, and perhaps sooner rather than later, players may well be up for tax audit / review. It could happen, just depends on the likeliness of it happening, and the will of the ATO to chase up.

 

[snax]

Na

I played 200 + games in divi 1, won a couple flags in the nfl. How many games have you played?

I played more than that in the AFL..lol
Who really gives a toss

 

[BlueJet]

The sports club can be tax exempt because of it's Not-For-Profit status. The players and or employees who earn money, that is provide a service, like playing, are therefore subject to tax like all of us are.

Most AFL clubs are in the same boat, but their players, would still need to do a tax return and declare their income.

It's just that the ATO don't have the resources to be chasing small fish, or on the other hand, these small fish are becoming a little bigger, and perhaps sooner rather than later, players may well be up for tax audit / review. It could happen, just depends on the likeliness of it happening, and the will of the ATO to chase up.

Exactly right, imagine the man hours spent auditing each and every club across the country?

 

[EDFLUser101]

The sports club can be tax exempt because of it's Not-For-Profit status. The players and or employees who earn money, that is provide a service, like playing, are therefore subject to tax like all of us are.

Most AFL clubs are in the same boat, but their players, would still need to do a tax return and declare their income.

It's just that the ATO don't have the resources to be chasing small fish, or on the other hand, these small fish are becoming a little bigger, and perhaps sooner rather than later, players may well be up for tax audit / review. It could happen, just depends on the likeliness of it happening, and the will of the ATO to chase up.

To all park footballers out there; do not be concerned, you will not be taxed on your earnings as you are not classed as "professionals".
If the tax laws do change around this, the deductions allowable for "professional sports people" are much more relaxed then that of deductions allowable for salary and wages. As such, deductions will ensure that most park footballers will earn "Tax Losses". Your protein powder and dietry supps would become an allowable deduction..gym memberships..boots etc....kms to and from games...depreciation on motor vehicle...health insurance etc...
Keep earning your $1000 a game gents as it will continue to be non assessable income!

 

[shagshouli]

Hey mate, just on current binding contracts which might go into next year, I'm sure clubs will need to uphold these contracts even next year under a points system. If player X is contracted to Club X for payments of $$ per week for next year they can't just rip it up and say see ya. That's not legal in any business (or hobby) that I'm aware of.

What's your opinion on this issue?

I'd love to see a player contracted by Club X.
Running out in fishnets and a ball gag in the mouth.
I would need to say 100 prayers to Allah, 100%

 

[Turbos mail]

I'd love to see a player contracted by Club X.
Running out in fishnets and a ball gag in the mouth.
I would need to say 100 prayers to Allah, 100%

Haha very funny..

 

[Turbos mail]

Just had a read over the new points system very quickly, and some points I wish to make.

1- Club league fees will rise due to this, as the auditors and investigators are involved.

2- It's flawed in my view. A playing coach is not rated, so every club will appoint a player coach (being there highest paid player) and then pay the actual coach outside the system.

3- A TAC player ranked higher than a good local footballer. Well this is very debatable and we should be encouraging the youth. TAC cup player rated as a 4. Yes some are very skilled but not every young kid is able to dominate local footy..

4- if you play >20 games of VFL or AFL you are rated the same as someone who has played say 150>..

Bit laughable..if I have read & understood it correctly..

 

[BlueJet]

Just had a read over the new points system very quickly, and some points I wish to make.

1- Club league fees will rise due to this, as the auditors and investigators are involved.

2- It's flawed in my view. A playing coach is not rated, so every club will appoint a player coach (being there highest paid player) and then pay the actual coach outside the system.

3- A TAC player ranked higher than a good local footballer. Well this is very debatable and we should be encouraging the youth. TAC cup player rated as a 4. Yes some are very skilled but not every young kid is able to dominate local footy..

4- if you play >20 games of VFL or AFL you are rated the same as someone who has played say 150>..

Bit laughable..if I have read & understood it correctly..

Not sure about some of your points as I haven't thoroughly gone through it all.
To my mind an ex AFL/VFL player coming back at a younger age is more beneficial to the club recruiting them as after 100+ games there is a lot more wear and tear on the body than someone who was only on a list for a year or two so I'd agree with them being rated the same.
As for the TAC cup players being worth more points than just a local footballer, I don't see anything wrong with this as it as it limits the chances of the bigger clubs scooping up all of the prized younger players and in turn it'll allow some of the smaller clubs to grow.

 

[barfly]

He got the arse from Thomo because the players lost respect for him and players were going to leave. So he got the arse. He got the arse from Watsonia for the same reason. Then he applied for the 2015 coaching job at Watsonia. Which he didnt get.

Yeah right I follow a lot of local football such as edfl rdfl and nfl.You have burst onto the scene here and made some big and I think very cowardly accusations.Football clubs are made up many different types of blokes from various background and abilities.
Most people (99%) at most clubs are very good people with good intentions.You seem to fall in the 1% category and Come across as a s**t bloke with very little character.I do hope you feel tough smart and justified in your statements but would suggest you pull up a little.Btw I don't know said coach but respect all that have a crack.Feel free to retaliate with your recent trash if you wish but the joke is on you.

 

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[Turbos mail]

And furthermore coaching is sometimes a thankless job except for the ones who win premierships. Not everyone likes them, some bag them, but don't throw stones unless you have done it for a number of years. I haven't coached but know it's a lot of work, and most are decent people with good character.
"Do we all like our bosses at work and agree with everything they say, hell no. But they are a boss for a reason"

Give this guy a break as from all reports his doing well at a club that is trying hard to compete against clubs with bigger finances..

 

[JustOverHere]

Just had a read over the new points system very quickly, and some points I wish to make.

1- Club league fees will rise due to this, as the auditors and investigators are involved.

2- It's flawed in my view. A playing coach is not rated, so every club will appoint a player coach (being there highest paid player) and then pay the actual coach outside the system.

3- A TAC player ranked higher than a good local footballer. Well this is very debatable and we should be encouraging the youth. TAC cup player rated as a 4. Yes some are very skilled but not every young kid is able to dominate local footy..

4- if you play >20 games of VFL or AFL you are rated the same as someone who has played say 150>..

Bit laughable..if I have read & understood it correctly..

When the points system does come in next year 'Turbo' I'm sure there will be a desired level of both balance and equality as that is what the points system is designed to do.. I'm lead to believe there will be allowances for existing lists and contracts with points tightening up on yearly basis until they reach what is believed to be the desired amount of points, this will vary slightly from competition to competition..

The points system provides a fair and equitable environment for all clubs to prosper in, as long as they install a sustainable best practice policy in a variety of key areas. The points system definitely isn't a restraint of trade as their would still be plenty of lucrative contracts on offer, it just forces the talented players to search for the lucrative contracts instead of all converging on selected clubs, which in turn creates an imbalance.

The points system will help ensure their is more quality competitive games in each league on a weekly basis in turn attracting larger crowds, as this is what we all want to see, quality competitive games, at the moment there is only one or maybe two quality competitive games in most leagues on a weekly basis.

All clubs are capable of creating an environment that will help ensure the desired level of development from within their very own club, administrations just have to employ the right people that specialise in development, especially through the U/16 and U/18 age levels. This is very achievable and those clubs that are able to develop from within on yearly basis will prosper within the boundaries of the point systems and remain extremely competitive, I'm not to sure whether all clubs would be capable of raising $500,000+ on yearly basis in an attempt to remain extremely competitive.

TAC Cup players would only be worth four points if they weren't returning to their junior clubs, so in most cases through the points system TAC Cup players will be forced to return to their junior club instead of putting an inflated price on their head.. Then you would be able to commend these lads on their loyalty as well, as you did with Courtney Johns, although Courtney does have 2,000 good reasons to remain loyal on a weekly basis..

 

[Turbos mail]

When the points system does come in next year 'Turbo' I'm sure there will be a desired level of both balance and equality as that is what the points system is designed to do.. I'm lead to believe there will be allowances for existing lists and contracts with points tightening up on yearly basis until they reach what is believed to be the desired amount of points, this will vary slightly from competition to competition..

The points system provides a fair and equitable environment for all clubs to prosper in, as long as they install a sustainable best practice policy in a variety of key areas. The points system definitely isn't a restraint of trade as their would still be plenty of lucrative contracts on offer, it just forces the talented players to search for the lucrative contracts instead of all converging on selected clubs, which in turn creates an imbalance.

The points system will help ensure their is more quality competitive games in each league on a weekly basis in turn attracting larger crowds, as this is what we all want to see, quality competitive games, at the moment there is only one or maybe two quality competitive games in most leagues on a weekly basis.

All clubs are capable of creating an environment that will help ensure the desired level of development from within their very own club, administrations just have to employ the right people that specialise in development, especially through the U/16 and U/18 age levels. This is very achievable and those clubs that are able to develop from within on yearly basis will prosper within the boundaries of the point systems and remain extremely competitive, I'm not to sure whether all clubs would be capable of raising $500,000+ on yearly basis in an attempt to remain extremely competitive.

TAC Cup players would only be worth four points if they weren't returning to their junior clubs, so in most cases through the points system TAC Cup players will be forced to return to their junior club instead of putting an inflated price on their head.. Then you would be able to commend these lads on their loyalty as well, as you did with Courtney Johns, although Courtney does have 2,000 good reasons to remain loyal on a weekly basis..

Fair points "JustOverHere" and well written.

By the way I don't follow Abers, but like the quote..

 

[Bissa3]

When the points system does come in next year 'Turbo' I'm sure there will be a desired level of both balance and equality as that is what the points system is designed to do.. I'm lead to believe there will be allowances for existing lists and contracts with points tightening up on yearly basis until they reach what is believed to be the desired amount of points, this will vary slightly from competition to competition..

The points system provides a fair and equitable environment for all clubs to prosper in, as long as they install a sustainable best practice policy in a variety of key areas. The points system definitely isn't a restraint of trade as their would still be plenty of lucrative contracts on offer, it just forces the talented players to search for the lucrative contracts instead of all converging on selected clubs, which in turn creates an imbalance.

The points system will help ensure their is more quality competitive games in each league on a weekly basis in turn attracting larger crowds, as this is what we all want to see, quality competitive games, at the moment there is only one or maybe two quality competitive games in most leagues on a weekly basis.

All clubs are capable of creating an environment that will help ensure the desired level of development from within their very own club, administrations just have to employ the right people that specialise in development, especially through the U/16 and U/18 age levels. This is very achievable and those clubs that are able to develop from within on yearly basis will prosper within the boundaries of the point systems and remain extremely competitive, I'm not to sure whether all clubs would be capable of raising $500,000+ on yearly basis in an attempt to remain extremely competitive.

TAC Cup players would only be worth four points if they weren't returning to their junior clubs, so in most cases through the points system TAC Cup players will be forced to return to their junior club instead of putting an inflated price on their head.. Then you would be able to commend these lads on their loyalty as well, as you did with Courtney Johns, although Courtney does have 2,000 good reasons to remain loyal on a weekly basis..

Whether this evens compititions up or not is debatable because its untried but i just cant help but feel this is a massive and risky extreme to take for LOCAL football. The idea of a system being bought in that can very possibly MANIPULATE where players can or cant play there football just does not sit right with me. I understand the idea of it but in reality am really worried that the dramas this points system is going to cause will certainly outway the positives it brings which will become a real negative in the local footy that we all love. If player X wants to go to club X to play his footy but is not allowed to that is just wrong in my eyes, and in time this system will prove me right and we will have quality players being pushed out of our league and we will all be crying out for it to be scrapped immediately

 

[The Good Oil]

When the points system does come in next year 'Turbo' I'm sure there will be a desired level of both balance and equality as that is what the points system is designed to do.. I'm lead to believe there will be allowances for existing lists and contracts with points tightening up on yearly basis until they reach what is believed to be the desired amount of points, this will vary slightly from competition to competition..

The points system provides a fair and equitable environment for all clubs to prosper in, as long as they install a sustainable best practice policy in a variety of key areas. The points system definitely isn't a restraint of trade as their would still be plenty of lucrative contracts on offer, it just forces the talented players to search for the lucrative contracts instead of all converging on selected clubs, which in turn creates an imbalance.

The points system will help ensure their is more quality competitive games in each league on a weekly basis in turn attracting larger crowds, as this is what we all want to see, quality competitive games, at the moment there is only one or maybe two quality competitive games in most leagues on a weekly basis.

All clubs are capable of creating an environment that will help ensure the desired level of development from within their very own club, administrations just have to employ the right people that specialise in development, especially through the U/16 and U/18 age levels. This is very achievable and those clubs that are able to develop from within on yearly basis will prosper within the boundaries of the point systems and remain extremely competitive, I'm not to sure whether all clubs would be capable of raising $500,000+ on yearly basis in an attempt to remain extremely competitive.

TAC Cup players would only be worth four points if they weren't returning to their junior clubs, so in most cases through the points system TAC Cup players will be forced to return to their junior club instead of putting an inflated price on their head.. Then you would be able to commend these lads on their loyalty as well, as you did with Courtney Johns, although Courtney does have 2,000 good reasons to remain loyal on a weekly basis..

Whilst it would be nice to think that everything you have written is possible the fact is it is just not going to happen. The points system will only work if you have equity across the whole comp including juniors.Clubs would have to be restricted to something like 3 teams for 10's & 12's then 2 teams per age level after that, and even then it will only help to a point.Your statement that "all clubs are capable of creating an environment in which they can reach a level of developement' is fundamentally wrong. Clubs like Jacana are never going to get anywhere near Aberfeldie purely because of demographics. With a median house price of 1.1mil. vs 310k you just don't have the same calibre of people running all clubs.Thats not a crack at the good people of Jacana but just the way it is.
Sorry to be Abers bashing again but they are the strongest club in the EDFL and will remain so under a points system .I would go as far as to say that under a points system no one will get near Abers , Keilor ,Smore or possibly Doutas for some time to come. Hope I'm wrong but I don't think a point system will help premier div at all in fact it could make it worse.

 

[THRU DA LINES]

Whilst it would be nice to think that everything you have written is possible the fact is it is just not going to happen. The points system will only work if you have equity across the whole comp including juniors.Clubs would have to be restricted to something like 3 teams for 10's & 12's then 2 teams per age level after that, and even then it will only help to a point.Your statement that "all clubs are capable of creating an environment in which they can reach a level of developement' is fundamentally wrong. Clubs like Jacana are never going to get anywhere near Aberfeldie purely because of demographics. With a median house price of 1.1mil. vs 310k you just don't have the same calibre of people running all clubs.Thats not a crack at the good people of Jacana but just the way it is.
Sorry to be Abers bashing again but they are the strongest club in the EDFL and will remain so under a points system .I would go as far as to say that under a points system no one will get near Abers , Keilor ,Smore or possibly Doutas for some time to come. Hope I'm wrong but I don't think a point system will help premier div at all in fact it could make it worse.

 

[THRU DA LINES]

Equalisation between clubs can be done by awarding extra points (and increased salary cap to match) to clubs who have less juniors.

 

[milkman99]

Equalisation between clubs can be done by awarding extra points (and increased salary cap to match) to clubs who have less juniors.

Why do people keep banging on about a salary caps when most of the money paid to players is in cash , so you will never be able to police a salary cap & to be honest most committees wouldn't know how much each player is getting with plenty of money changing hands under the table

 

[poorpunter]

Edfl round 7 video replay, when I click on it goes to a menu, where to from there ?

 

[puffpuffgivemo]

Yeah right I follow a lot of local football such as edfl rdfl and nfl.You have burst onto the scene here and made some big and I think very cowardly accusations.Football clubs are made up many different types of blokes from various background and abilities.
Most people (99%) at most clubs are very good people with good intentions.You seem to fall in the 1% category and Come across as a s**t bloke with very little character.I do hope you feel tough smart and justified in your statements but would suggest you pull up a little.Btw I don't know said coach but respect all that have a crack.Feel free to retaliate with your recent trash if you wish but the joke is on you.

Great post!!

 

[puffpuffgivemo]

It is true that they all have recruited in recent years as well (I did note that they were the clubs knocked for their recruiting practices), however despite bringing in your Lowers, Delucas etc.. Greenvale fielded a side at the weekend that included 13 former Greenvale fc juniors, how does that compare to say Avondale or Pacco?
Land price is a purely speculative area and there are arguments to be made both for and against the potential benefits for a footy club.
As for Craigieburn, they really are an enigma.



Interesting point, I'd wonder whether it being a points system as opposed to a salary cap is in part an attempt to diminish these claims? As I'm sure we've all heard people question the legality of a salary cap at one point or another.

Great post and one with some facts for once.

Based on my calculations following last weekend's games the rumoured top spending sides had the following juniors playing:

Greenvale - 13
Strathmore - 10
Abers - 7
Keilor - 5
Pascoe Vale - 4
Avondale - 3

When you add in players who've been at clubs for three years or more it makes up in excess of 60% of the team from GV, SM and Abers.

 

[Scoopar]

To all park footballers out there; do not be concerned, you will not be taxed on your earnings as you are not classed as "professionals".
If the tax laws do change around this, the deductions allowable for "professional sports people" are much more relaxed then that of deductions allowable for salary and wages. As such, deductions will ensure that most park footballers will earn "Tax Losses". Your protein powder and dietry supps would become an allowable deduction..gym memberships..boots etc....kms to and from games...depreciation on motor vehicle...health insurance etc...
Keep earning your $1000 a game gents as it will continue to be non assessable income!

Not entirely true. The protein powders and dietary supplements would not be considered specific enough to be deductible. And in respect to other deductions such as gym fees, football boots, mouthguard, - you still need to justify the claim with receipts. Motor vehicle expenses can only be claimed for work related travel and that also could be scrutinised so you would need documentation to justify it such as a log book.

https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/...ional-footballers---general-tax-guide/?page=4

A player earing $1000 per game and therefore about $18,000 or more per year would probably attract the scrutiny of the ATO, if alerted to it. A failure to declare that sort of income could attract an audit. Only needs a disgruntled committee member or player to 'anonymously' dob in someone before you had an ATO auditor requesting an interview.

AS for those earning more than that (say $1500 per game or maybe $25,000 for the year...) - it's only a matter of time before you will get audited. Not worth taking the risk in my book.