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[HairyO]

Pretty much all of them.

But you're the one trying to be "mr greater good" so you're happy to lose your own club then?

So the competition is better off by losing a highly profitable club which is not only self-sufficient but actually chips in over $1m a year in equalisation payments?

And which pulls big crowds at games and on TV.

You seem to subscribe to a special kind of Socialism where no-one pays - like Greece.

So if we get rid of Hawthorn and a couple of other rich clubs, who funds your basketcase of a club?

 

[Colonial]

So the competition is better off by losing a highly profitable club which is not only self-sufficient but actually chips in over $1m a year in equalisation payments?

And which pulls big crowds at games and on TV.

You seem to subscribe to a special kind of Socialism where no-one pays - like Greece.

So if we get rid of Hawthorn and a couple of other rich clubs, who funds your basketcase of a club?

Just answer the question.

For the greater good would you kill off your own club?
Going on the swerve for the last few replies i would say no.

Hawthorn wasnt always going great guns.

As such i leave your bull s**t here. Adios.

 

[Blackas87]

So teams like yours don't stay in the form you have forever, having a steady stream of good talent from all states means an actual competition eventually and not talking about how hard the recent cellar dwellers keep getting thumped.

What has that got to do with Clarkson?

 

[HairyO]

Just answer the question.

For the greater good would you kill off your own club?
Going on the swerve for the last few replies i would say no.

Hawthorn wasnt always going great guns.

We paid our own way in. We didnt get $20m a year for all those years we sucked.

 

[coniglio_number1]

We paid our own way in. We didnt get $20m a year for all those years we sucked.

Oh well. Afl will never fold us. They love us and we love them

 

[Colonial]

We paid our own way in. We didnt get $20m a year for all those years we sucked.

Well you are stuck with us. Actually all 17 other clubs.

Its best you make peace with it or your just not in for a happy time.

 

[Mr Eagle]

Because games that do not grow die.

I don't know about grow, necesarily - change or evolve might be a better way to put it, because the world around the AFL is doing same. But I'm not sure growing (in the sense of getting bigger) is the real imperative.

 

[RUNVS]

I don't know about grow, necesarily - change or evolve might be a better way to put it, because the world around the AFL is doing same. But I'm not sure growing (in the sense of getting bigger) is the real imperative.

How would the VFL be doing now if it was the same competition it was in the 1970's?

 

[Mr Eagle]

How would the VFL be doing now if it was the same competition it was in the 1970's?

Well that it wouldn't have changed or evolved, would it?

My point is you could still have a healthy AFL today with that many teams (12). The key to success is not 'more more more'. It's a lot more nuanced than that.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

If the AFL fails to expand it'll be eaten up by international sports

How long have we been hearing that for? About 20 years. I remember back when basketball was a serious threat, well, that's what the tin hat brigade were shouting out. How did that turn out?

 

[Marc_Remillard]

The original abl did.

Every sporting competition has expanded.
If your not national then you dont get the dollars. No dollars no star athletes

What is abl?

 

[Marc_Remillard]

How about we look at the teams that cant survive without millions from the AFL.

GWS and GCS each cost over $20m a year over and above the distributions that all other teams get. Not to mention years of concessions which set the entire competition back (taking all the best kids for 3 years meant that the lower existing sides had no way to rebuild, making things much easier for the teams already succeeding).

Roos, Saints, Dogs and Demons have all received significant handouts over the years and cant survive on their own - but the Demons for some reason are a protected species - the solution to the problems they caused for themselves was for the AFL to hand over millions more to spend on a coach that was always a terrible fit.

But the other 3 can merge or leave and the comp gets stronger.

Wrong on so many different levels, try again.

 

[Colonial]

What is abl?

Australian baseball league.

 

[Heaps of fun]

If they were dogs I'd mercifully take Gold Coast to the vet and tell the kids it went to live on a farm. I'd keep GWS but every night I'd stare at it's stupid face and ask how I was convinced to get it in the first place.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Australian baseball league.

It was hardly an elite professional competition though. You are right though that the academies are about dollars. Improve the Queensland and NSW teams which will increase ratings and the dollars will increase. I just wish the AFL and the northern clubs can be honest about what they're trying to achieve instead of trying to bullshit everyone.

 

[Colonial]

It was hardly an elite professional competition though. You are right though that the academies are about dollars. Improve the Queensland and NSW teams which will increase ratings and the dollars will increase. I just wish the AFL and the northern clubs can be honest about what they're trying to achieve instead of trying to bullshit everyone.

Never said it was just about coin.

Whose bullshiting?

Its not just about tv dollars. If so just give all the stars to the northern clubs and dont spend a dime on the academies. Still get ratings with a winning team.

Its about also creating a much larger junior base.

The academies also balance out the go home factor for the northern clubs. After all we all want a fair and equal competition.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Never said it was just about coin.

Whose bullshiting?

Its not just about tv dollars. If so just give all the stars to the northern clubs and dont spend a dime on the academies. Still get ratings with a winning team.

Its about also creating a much larger junior base.

The academies also balance out the go home factor for the northern clubs. After all we all want a fair and equal competition.

I can't help myself but you're opened the door for this.

Explain to me how Sydney needs help with balancing and being equal. They rarely lose a wanted player (not more than the average) and they continue to be able to attract elite talent. Financially they're very strong, they consistently play in finals and have recently won a premiership. That's not fair and equal, that's giving one of the strongest clubs in the competition an unfair advantage.

 

[Colonial]

I can't help myself but you're opened the door for this.

Explain to me how Sydney needs help with balancing and being equal. They rarely lose a wanted player (not more than the average) and they continue to be able to attract elite talent. Financially they're very strong, they consistently play in finals and have recently won a premiership. That's not fair and equal, that's giving one of the strongest clubs in the competition an unfair advantage.

Which shows your just trolling so will leave it at this last line

Because of cola. Which is now going out the door.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Which shows your just trolling so will leave it at this last line

Because of cola. Which is now going out the door.

Ah, I see, you hear something that you have no answer for so your response is that I'm trolling. Typical.

The reason why cola is being phased out is because it's a rort, designed to give Sydney an advantage. If it was genuine, then the same principle would be applied throughout the different states.

Sydney is a strong club that doesn't need any balancing, remember I'm just responding to your statement. If you can't handle someone picking apart your posts then you should stop posting.

 

[rodney hoo]

If they were dogs I'd mercifully take Gold Coast to the vet and tell the kids it went to live on a farm. I'd keep GWS but every night I'd stare at it's stupid face and ask how I was convinced to get it in the first place.

I think they would be both better at the vet there just franchises like McDonald's.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

has any professional sporting league died in the last 20 years?

The Baseball League died, was revived, died again and revived again.
The NBL was completely on its knees and basically died and was reborn in an off season
The ARU started a secondary (below Super above Club) competition that died a horrid death, to be resurrected last year as the APC, we'll wait to see how long that one lasts.

So that's three off the top of my head.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

The Baseball League died, was revived, died again and revived again.
The NBL was completely on its knees and basically died and was reborn in an off season
The ARU started a secondary (below Super above Club) competition that died a horrid death, to be resurrected last year as the APC, we'll wait to see how long that one lasts.

So that's three off the top of my head.

So they are all still active?

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

So the competition is better off by losing a highly profitable club which is not only self-sufficient but actually chips in over $1m a year in equalisation payments?

And which pulls big crowds at games and on TV.

You seem to subscribe to a special kind of Socialism where no-one pays - like Greece.

So if we get rid of Hawthorn and a couple of other rich clubs, who funds your basketcase of a club?

Highly profitable now. On its knees and about to merge not so long ago.

Your team was a basket case at one point. How long did it take to make your first final? To win one?

It's good now. But for a very long time it stunk up the league.

We're four years old. St Kilda didn't win a game in its first four seasons and they're still around.

History takes time - but it's on our side in this one.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

So they are all still active?

As sports they are - as leagues they are not. The leagues dies, son, and had to be started again.

You asked if any league had died. I pointed to three.

That there have been replacements is not the issue.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

As sports they are - as leagues they are not. The leagues dies, son, and had to be started again.

You asked if any league had died. I pointed to three.

That there have been replacements is not the issue.

If they died then they wouldn't exist anymore, it's would be the same as saying that football died in Australia when it changed to the AFL, but that's incorrect.

Nice try though son, got anything else?