Extra Home Game For WA Teams

[blue harvest]

Being based in Vic is worth 2-3 extra wins for the best couple of Melb based teams.

Don't believe it, have a look at the win/lose ratios for the best Vic teams in the last 10 years.
These 18-19 wins seasons happen every year for vic teams. It's more a rarity for interstate teams and basically non existent for the WA teams

The major reason is travel

Would the Hawks be back to back champs if they were based in Perth ?? iMHO very very unlikely

Nice troll account.

 

[kranky al]

And that's wrong and should be stopped, but you don't fix a problem by making it bigger.

(nb, I note you didn't complain about guaranteed the double hits all non-vic clubs get)

I Should do seeing as freo keep pantsing us atm

 

[doppleganger]

Being based in Vic is worth 2-3 extra wins for the best couple of Melb based teams.

Don't believe it, have a look at the win/lose ratios for the best Vic teams in the last 10 years.
These 18-19 wins seasons happen every year for vic teams. It's more a rarity for interstate teams and basically non existent for the WA teams

The major reason is travel

Would the Hawks be back to back champs if they were based in Perth ?? iMHO very very unlikely

What absolute dribble. The teams that went back to back before Hawthorn were two non-Vic teams.

WCE and (Syd) were agonisingly close from going back to back also in 05, 06.

WCE also won 19 H&A games before, would have been 20 but they lost to then wooden spoon team in final rd of H&A.

The non-Vic sides of late simply haven't been as good as the Vic teams.

What good is winning so many H&A games anyway? It gives you no extra advantage...the last 3 teams to win 20+ H&A games and be minor premier all failed to win the flag!

 

[blue harvest]

Being based in Vic is worth 2-3 extra wins for the best couple of Melb based teams.

Don't believe it, have a look at the win/lose ratios for the best Vic teams in the last 10 years.
These 18-19 wins seasons happen every year for vic teams.

Except of course for last year, and 2 years before that, and another 2 years before that, and 2006 and 2005. In fact it would be just as accurate to say it has never happened in the last 10 years.

 

[greennick]

2.5 million people in a traditional football state, with 2 teams playing to a ground that's sold out before the season starts and you don't have the supporters for a 3rd team?

There won't be many Eagles and Docker supporters that will jump ship. Particularly since there will the new stadium before a new team.

 

[telsor]

There won't be many Eagles and Docker supporters that will jump ship. Particularly since there will the new stadium before a new team.

The extra size of the new stadium wont even take up the wait lists.

A new team would have one clear advantage...People would be able to see it live.


If most people in the west really are happy to just watch on TV, then they may as well fix up the travel problem by basing 'their' teams in the east and showing the games live. You even get to save money on a new stadium that way.

 

[kranky al]

It spins me out how the vics are so dead set on making a state with 2 financially sound teams become more like them and add more teams possibly making the third team a mendicant - at the least reducing the financial powerhouse that the dockers and eagles currently are.

Cities 5 times the size of melbourne have one (insert football code here) team in their respective comp.


The problem with travel is not too few teams in perth - its too many in melbourne.

Blind freddy can see this - his deaf mate can hear it - his dumb mate thinks there should be more teams in other states.

 

[blue harvest]

The problem with travel is not too few teams in perth - its too many in melbourne.

Blind freddy can see this - his deaf mate can hear it - his dumb mate thinks there should be more teams in other states.

Not really, get rid of 4 Melbourne teams and you still have to fly across the country 10 times a season.
The problem with travel is that Perth is a remote location.

 

[estibador]

Freo and the Eagles were 1-1 last season and in the period 2004 > 2006 when the Eagles were peaking Freo were winning 2 - 0.

You sure about that?

 

[Righteo]

You sure about that?

We also didn't go 2-0 in either 2004 or 2005.

 

[kranky al]

Not really, get rid of 4 Melbourne teams and you still have to fly across the country 10 times a season.
The problem with travel is that Perth is a remote location.

Oh victorians - so cute in you parochial victorian ness

If there are four melbourne teams less - either those teams would move to other states - or cease to exist.

If they move to other states - it will even up the travel load somewhat as instead of vic teams travelling 4-5 times a year they will travel more

If they cease to exist then the comp will be geared more to playing each side twice which will have the same effect.

 

[The Speaker]

Oh victorians - so cute in you parochial victorian ness

If there are four melbourne teams less - either those teams would move to other states - or cease to exist.

If they move to other states - it will even up the travel load somewhat as instead of vic teams travelling 4-5 times a year they will travel more

If they cease to exist then the comp will be geared more to playing each side twice which will have the same effect.

It is far more likely that the AFL will be scrapped altogether than it is that they would get rid of four Victorian teams.

Not that I'd have a problem with that.

 

[telsor]

It spins me out how the vics are so dead set on making a state with 2 financially sound teams become more like them and add more teams possibly making the third team a mendicant - at the least reducing the financial powerhouse that the dockers and eagles currently are.

Cities 5 times the size of melbourne have one (insert football code here) team in their respective comp.


The problem with travel is not too few teams in perth - its too many in melbourne.

Blind freddy can see this - his deaf mate can hear it - his dumb mate thinks there should be more teams in other states.

Been through this before...If WA is the 'standard', then we have a 7 team comp. 2 in WA, 1 in SA & 4 in Vic. Is that really what you think is 'right'?

 

[telsor]

Oh victorians - so cute in you parochial victorian ness

If there are four melbourne teams less - either those teams would move to other states - or cease to exist.

If they move to other states - it will even up the travel load somewhat as instead of vic teams travelling 4-5 times a year they will travel more

If they cease to exist then the comp will be geared more to playing each side twice which will have the same effect.

Where would they move? If Vic can't support them, and WA can't take more clubs, where would they go? Anywhere else would be financially worse.

 

[Blackas87]

Oh victorians - so cute in you parochial victorian ness

If there are four melbourne teams less - either those teams would move to other states - or cease to exist.

If they move to other states - it will even up the travel load somewhat as instead of vic teams travelling 4-5 times a year they will travel more

If they cease to exist then the comp will be geared more to playing each side twice which will have the same effect.

There aren't 4 other locations around Australia better off supporting these 4 Victorian teams other than Victoria.

 

[Obeanie1]

There aren't 4 other locations around Australia better off supporting these 4 Victorian teams other than Victoria.

Canberra, Nth Qld and Tasmania.

There's three without breaking a sweat.

 

[Blackas87]

Canberra, Nth Qld and Tasmania.

There's three without breaking a sweat.

The 4 bottom supported victorian clubs have all got 30000 members plus. The 2 new expansion clubs that were put in the best locations for support have below 15000.

Those 3 places you just mentioned aren't better options than Victoria.

 

[Obeanie1]

We also didn't go 2-0 in either 2004 or 2005.

I seem to recall when the Eagles where playing in GF's and doing well Freo were our bogy side and you beat us both games.

It really doesn't matter, local derbies throw up quite a few upsets where the under dog gets up. That was the point I was making.

 

[Obeanie1]

The 4 bottom supported victorian clubs have all got 30000 members plus. The 2 new expansion clubs that were put in the best locations for support have below 15000.

Those 3 places you just mentioned aren't better options than Victoria.

How do you know?

Melbourne, the Bulldogs and Norths don't have a massive supporter base. How would they look in 10 years if they followed the Swans example and relocated?

Melbourne Demons become the Tassie Devils.

Norths become North QLD.

And the Bulldogs go to Canberra.

It's not that big a stretch to see that happening if they continue to struggle financially. They would still retain a lot of Victorian supporters and grow new one's.

 

[Blackas87]

How do you know?

Melbourne, the Bulldogs and Norths don't have a massive supporter base. How would they look in 10 years if they followed the Swans example and relocated?

Melbourne Demons become the Tassie Devils.

Norths become North QLD.

And the Bulldogs go to Canberra.

It's not that big a stretch to see that happening if they continue to struggle financially. They would still retain a lot of Victorian supporters and grow new one's.

2014 Member numbers.

North Melbourne 40027
Melbourne 35911
Western Bulldogs 31538
St Kilda 30738

Sydney Swans 40123
Brisbane 23930.

Now Sydney and Brisbane have been in the competition for 30 plus years and Sydney after winning the premiership in 2012 and a premiership favourite only just scrape over North Melbourne while still having about 10000 members still in Melbourne.

There are no untouched locations better off for these clubs than Victoria.

 

[kranky al]

Been through this before...If WA is the 'standard', then we have a 7 team comp. 2 in WA, 1 in SA & 4 in Vic. Is that really what you think is 'right'?

If you want to take it to extremes....


Silly extremes


All these specious arguments that dont address the fact that there are too many teams in one city.

Your argument is kinda like saying - so you like coke - THEN WHY DONT YOU DRINK 20 CANS OF IT THEN??

HUH?

And then strutting off like you have made some amazing point

You havnt. Im not suggesting 7 teams and never did and never would


As a matter of fact im going to reverse your silly argument

If victoria is the standard then why dont we have a 40 team comp with 5 teams in wa..... Etc etc etc

 

[Blackas87]

If you want to take it to extremes....


Silly extremes


All these specious arguments that dont address the fact that there are too many teams in one city.

Your argument is kinda like saying - so you like coke - THEN WHY DONT YOU DRINK 20 CANS OF IT THEN??

HUH?

And then strutting off like you have made some amazing point

You havnt. Im not suggesting 7 teams and never did and never would


As a matter of fact im going to reverse your silly argument

If victoria is the standard then why dont we have a 40 team comp with 5 teams in wa..... Etc etc etc

Fact? I want to know where you get this factual evidence from.

The problem here is that Perth is located so far away from the other major cities of Australia, even if Victoria had less teams it won't increase travelling to the other side of the country more than once for some teams a year, travelling an hour to Sydney or Adelaide is hardly the same as travelling 4 to Perth.

West Coast premiers 1992, 1994 and 2006 after losing the Grand final the year before, Fremantle making the Grand final in 2013 after travelling first week of the finals. Where is the advantage that Victorian or eastern state teams are getting?

 

[kranky al]

Fact? I want to know where you get this factual evidence from.

The problem here is that Perth is located so far away from the other major cities of Australia, even if Victoria had less teams it won't increase travelling to the other side of the country more than once for some teams a year, travelling an hour to Sydney or Adelaide is hardly the same as travelling 4 to Perth.

West Coast premiers 1992, 1994 and 2006 after losing the Grand final the year before, Fremantle making the Grand final in 2013 after travelling first week of the finals. Where is the advantage that Victorian or eastern state teams are getting?

Theres places in every competition around the world that are in the arse end of wherever they are

What there isnt in any professional comp in the world is the amount of teams in one single solitary city

But dont worry mate - youre right they are wrong we just need to move perth closer or better still as a couple of absolute victards have posted - move the perth teams to operate out of victoria....

 

[blue harvest]

Doesn't matter how many teams are in Melbourne.
If you have 2 teams on one side of the country in Perth and the rest on the other side in whatever cities you choose, then the 2 Perth teams will always be disadvantaged because of the huge distances they have to travel to their 10 interstate away games. The teams clustered on one side of the country will obviously have a lot less travel. It's not some 'Victard' thing, it's just the laws of physics. The only way travel could work out fairly is with equal numbers of teams on each side of the country or teams scattered evenly around the whole country, neither of which are possible.


PS: What happened to all the posts by that new Your Lordship dude? Was he outed as an alias?

 

[kranky al]

Doesn't matter how many teams are in Melbourne.
If you have 2 teams on one side of the country in Perth and the rest on the other side in whatever cities you choose, then the 2 Perth teams will always be disadvantaged because of the huge distances they have to travel to their 10 interstate away games. The teams clustered on one side of the country will obviously have a lot less travel. It's not some 'Victard' thing, it's just the laws of physics. The only way travel could work out fairly is with equal numbers of teams on each side of the country or teams scattered evenly around the whole country, neither of which are possible.


PS: What happened to all the posts by that new Your Lordship dude? Was he outed as an alias?

Serious?

Flying perth teams perth to melb - melb to tas, tas to melb, melb to perth and refusing them charters to get around it?

When we suggest low flying charters for all long flights saying no?

Theres more than one way to skin a cat on the flights thing - but weve been barred from doing it.

Chartered flights with rubdown facilities etc could really take the sting out of it