Extra Home Game For WA Teams

[The_Wookie]

Is this selection of unrelated quotes a desperate attempt to ... to what. One of the poorest posts you have lodged in a chequered career, any chance your position on history & going forward is clear.

I dont make desperate attempts to do anything. And Ive been clear. I dont support Victorian clubs playing in established areas with established support, I do support them playing in areas that are underserviced - the NT, Tasmania, Canberra, North Queensland, NZ.

And as for my chequered career...dont play the man.

 

[The Speaker]

You should get a job with the AFL.

Who's to say he doesn't already have one?

 

[The_Wookie]

Who's to say he doesn't already have one?

He does.

 

[telsor]

Some are not as concerned with history, some are concerned about going forward - telsor?

I was responding to someone who was concerned with history, but had it incorrect.

 

[telsor]

Sprouting random crap is not winning the argument. Your just lying to yourself

Since when are facts 'random crap'?

 

[vaughany]

Agree with opening comments.

Don't give W.A teams an extra home game but some common sense needs to be applied to their fixturing .

Don't put West Coast or Fremantle listed to play down in Hobart or Launceston against North or Hawks.

Simply too far to travel and back up it up to play the following week

 

[Kwality]

Agree with opening comments.

Don't give W.A teams an extra home game but some common sense needs to be applied to their fixturing .

Don't put West Coast or Fremantle listed to play down in Hobart or Launceston against North or Hawks.

Simply too far to travel and back up it up to play the following week

Cant agree, simply share the travel.

 

[blue harvest]

Agree with opening comments.

Don't give W.A teams an extra home game but some common sense needs to be applied to their fixturing .

Don't put West Coast or Fremantle listed to play down in Hobart or Launceston against North or Hawks.

Simply too far to travel and back up it up to play the following week

They get direct flights, travel wise it's no different to playing in Melbourne.

 

[telsor]

Cant agree, simply share the travel.

Can't agree, simply share the home advantage.

 

[blue harvest]

But they just use the existing flight scheduling from memory (could be wrong) with the extra plane/s put on for big games (grand final). Fremantle play at Aurora on July 12 and I certainly don't see a single direct flight from Perth to Launceston on the Virgin website that week.

They don't put the flight on the schedule until closer to the game, after consulting with the team and AFL.

 

[Kwality]

Can't agree, simply share the home advantage.

You Tigers fans grasp any excuse for losing, probably part of the clubs failure to be relevant on field in the national comp - you will have to win everywhere IF you are ever to be relevant, forget selecting the next excuse off the tongue. Home ground advantage, another quaint term from the old State League days.

 

[Kwality]

They don't put the flight on the schedule until closer to the game, after consulting with the team and AFL.

The horror stories have been the trip home, i.e recovery in an airport.

 

[telsor]

You Tigers fans grasp any excuse for losing, probably part of the clubs failure to be relevant on field in the national comp - you will have to win everywhere IF you are ever to be relevant, forget selecting the next excuse off the tongue. Home ground advantage, another quaint term from the old State League days.

Practically every sporting competition in the world considers home ground advantage to exist. Even the ones that fly a lot consider it more of a factor than the travel.

But that doesn't fit your agenda, does it.

 

[blue harvest]

The horror stories have been the trip home, i.e recovery in an airport.

It's a direct flight home too.
No different to a Melbourne game, same issues with recovery etc.

 

[Kwality]

Practically every sporting competition in the world considers home ground advantage to exist. Even the ones that fly a lot consider it more of a factor than the travel.

But that doesn't fit your agenda, does it.

Hawthorn ignore it, how are they going? On the road v home ground is definitely an issue IF you team is not up to it - hasnt proven a factor on Grand Final day unless of course you go that quaint old excuse of 'but the MCG is neutral '.

& regardless of whether these excuses are just excuses, fixturing today has winners & losers, why shouldnt WA fans win for a change, given footy will bank the difference ($ms).

 

[Kwality]

It's a direct flight home too.
No different to a Melbourne game, same issues with recovery etc.

Not always, a one only direct flight is the first victim of any forced rescheduling. Not a reason for an extra game though, hell the trip west for the Q sides & WA sides back home are tougher.

 

[Rob]

But they just use the existing flight scheduling from memory (could be wrong) with the extra plane/s put on for big games (grand final). Fremantle play at Aurora on July 12 and I certainly don't see a single direct flight from Perth to Launceston on the Virgin website that week.

Have a look a week before the game. There will be a direct flight a couple of days before the game and immediately after.

 

[The_Wookie]

You Tigers fans grasp any excuse for losing, probably part of the clubs failure to be relevant on field in the national comp - you will have to win everywhere IF you are ever to be relevant, forget selecting the next excuse off the tongue. Home ground advantage, another quaint term from the old State League days.

So it didnt matter that West Coast had to play finals in melbourne under the old MCG contract, and no one complained about it right? because home ground advantage was a relic of the past? Or I havent seen Freo folks complaining lately that they had to travel to Geelong in a final in part because it was considered a massively unfair home advantage?

Home advantage is still a thing - outsiide of melbourne - unless you are a non victorian team playing a victorian team in Melbourne. You benefot from knowing how the ground plays, the grounds dimensions, and a rather vocal and supportive home base. hell even the Suns have this.

 

[blue harvest]

Having spoken to quite a few of my fellow club members on my journey to the Simmonds final (I've gone there for other cats vs freo games too) and in part because I was writing a blog at the time of this and talked to plenty of people on it... Yes we brought up every single minutest thing that was potentially wrong about it because we were annoyed, because of this... "only if it was a Geelong v Fremantle match and not for any other game," an AFL spokesperson said. http://www.sportal.com.au/afl/afl-p...inal-riles-dockers/1m3ssxnatbs6y103vfs4untfgo
Our fundamental issue was the Vlad rule made on the fly at the last minute "because it's Freo".

Not this tripe again. You haven taken that quote out of context. The AFL said that out of the possible opponents for Geelong in week 1 (which at that point were Hawthorn, Sydney and Freo) it would only be the Freo game which could be at Geelong. That's just common sense but you turn it into some anti Freo thing. They never said out of all the teams in the AFL, it was just out of the teams which could be playing Geelong in week 1. Obviously Geelong v Hawks would be at the G and obviously Geelong v Sydney would draw way too many people to be at Simonds. A big part of finals scheduling is crowds. Why can't you see this? In 2007 we missed out on the G and had to play our elimination final at Etihad because we had the lowest drawing game. Same in 2011, lowest drawing game got the smallest ground. It wasn't some rule Vlad made on the fly, it's been the rule for ages, the big pulling games get the big grounds.

But from our perspective people had been preparing for the finals series, e.g. airfares and accommodation, getting set for what was 100% presumed to be in Melbourne on all relevant history for the most part of a century and getting accommodation suitable for it and getting told it's 70km away - it is no small issue if your talking several thousand people forking out hundreds to a thousand bucks to fly across fpr a weekend.

Absolute rubbish. You still had a chance of a home final all the way up to and including the last game ffs. If you book stuff early you are taking a risk. What's the big deal about Geelong anyway, it's one hour on the train then a 4 minute walk. They put on extra trains and also buses. I caught one down no problem at all, just rocked up to the station and got on the train. Got back to Melbourne with time to sit down for dinner for 45 min then made my way to the G for the next game. It really was a small issue.

Even if the Cats drew a presumably small crowd if they were to play GC in 2014 it was ruled out in advance that there would be a reprisal of a Simmonds stadium "Home Final" http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-stadium-in-2014/story-fni5f6yf-1226976862548 It was a "Freo" rule made by Vlad and we won't see it happen again until there is a formal acknowledgement that the AFL will host finals there in general.

More tripe. Once again you are taking things out of context.
'a freakish set of circumstances saw the Cats play that final, with a repeat almost impossible this year'
'If the Cats and Gold Coast were to play a final the AFL believes the Gary Ablett factor would push the crowd higher, meaning an Etihad Stadium final would be most likely.'
It's about crowds! Why can't you see this? It's not about Freo. That headline on that article was incredibly misleading, the AFL never ruled out any chance of a Simonds final, they just said that it was a freakish set of circumstances the year before and with the ladder having Sydney and Port looking like they would finish on top it was extremely unlikely to happen this year. It was just the facts of the current season, but you try and turn it into an anti Freo thing again.

You guys really need to stop twisting things into something they're not.

 

[W.C. Fry]

You don't get it. Its a finals series. It should not be about the crowds. It should be about finding out who the best side in the competition is.
Why should only Freo get disadvantaged by getting sent to play in Geelong when Hawthorn wouldn't?

 

[blue harvest]

You don't get it. Its a finals series. It should not be about the crowds. It should be about finding out who the best side in the competition is.
Why should only Freo get disadvantaged by getting sent to play in Geelong when Hawthorn wouldn't?

They couldn't play all 4 games at the G, someone had to miss out.
Anyway, Freo weren't disadvantaged, Geelong finished higher and had the right to a home final, just as Freo would have if they finished higher. The away team has no claim on the venue. The fact that Hawthorn would not have had to play there is nothing to do with Freo, the only team disadvantaged in that situation would be Geelong.

 

[Kwality]

They couldn't play all 4 games at the G, someone had to miss out.
Anyway, Freo weren't disadvantaged, Geelong finished higher and had the right to a home final, just as Freo would have if they finished higher. The away team has no claim on the venue. The fact that Hawthorn would not have had to play there is nothing to do with Freo, the only team disadvantaged in that situation would be Geelong.

One rule for some clubs, one for others & in finals - you are OK with it

 

[blue harvest]

One rule for some clubs, one for others & in finals - you are OK with it

Same rules for all as previously described. When there are too many games a big factor in venue choice is crowds. Doesn't matter which team it is.
If there were 4 games in Vic and Hawks v Cats was the lowest drawing game, and the expected crowd was mid 30s then it would be at Kardinia.

 

[salim malik]

Same rules for all as previously described. When there are too many games a big factor in venue choice is crowds. Doesn't matter which team it is.
If there were 4 games in Vic and Hawks v Cats was the lowest drawing game, and the expected crowd was mid 30s then it would be at Kardinia.

If there were going to be more finals at Geelong that argument might hold some water but havent the AFL said that game was a one of and there wont be any more finals played there in the forseeable future.

 

[blue harvest]

If there were going to be more finals at Geelong that argument might hold some water but havent the AFL said that game was a one of and there wont be any more finals played there in the forseeable future.

No they just said it was a freakish set of circumstances that are unlikely to occur again any time soon.