Extra leave for DV victims

[kfc1]

Just heard a headline on Ch10 news that Telstra are introducing a new policy where Domestic Violence victims that are employees of Telstra will be given an extra 10 days of leave per year.

Does anyone have more details? Is it reliant on a conviction or only on an allegation?

Is it fair? Is it just like getting additional leave for bereavements or pregnancy?

Will it have any unintended consequences? E.g. false accusations to access the new benefits

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

What's the reasoning behind it? Is there any particular reason why domestic violence victims need extra days off, as opposed to say rape or general assault victims?

 

[cartwright]

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-14/actu-welcomes-telstra-domestic-violence-leave/6016212

Seems leave is available for days at court, counselling.

 

[scon]

Good business management strategy to support your employees.

 

[Lester Burnham]

What's the reasoning behind it? Is there any particular reason why domestic violence victims need extra days off, as opposed to say rape or general assault victims?

It's inequitable that the policy is designed to support the victims of only one type of social problem and not others.

Telstra’s chief talent officer, Katherine Paroz, said the leave would be available to full-time employees for medical appointments, legal advice or counselling.

“This is a legitimate form of leave and as an iconic Australian organisation we see it as important that we have a prominent role in tackling violence against women,” she said.
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http://www.afr.com/p/national/telstra_offers_domestic_violence_IJ2kVTtJIzp3TRMs2Z1d9I

For example, it ignores that non-domestic violence is a much bigger problem than DV.

EXPERIENCE OF VIOLENCE DURING THE LAST 12 MONTHS (a)(b), 18 years and over

Males 737,100
Females 467,300

EXPERIENCE OF VIOLENCE FROM A PARTNER DURING THE LAST 12 MONTHS (a)(b)(c), 18 years and over

Males 51,800
Females 132,500​

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4125.0main+features5110Feb 2014

 

[Sydney Bloods]

Good business management strategy to support your employees.

and with the stigma and shame surrounding Domestic violence victims means that a great deal of that leave will never be used, even if the person qualifies.

 

[tesseract]

“This is a legitimate form of leave and as an iconic Australian organisation we see it as important that we have a prominent role in tackling violence against women,” she said.

Feminists, too, attempt to conflate DV = violence against women rather than being gender neutral. It'll be interesting to see what occurs if a male is denied leave for being a victim of DV, considering she specifically refers to "violence against women".

 

[cartwright]

Feminists, too, attempt to conflate DV = violence against women rather than being gender neutral. It'll be interesting to see what occurs if a male is denied leave for being a victim of DV, considering she specifically refers to "violence against women".

The policy is clearly gender neutral. Making up stories in your head again.

 

[tesseract]

The policy is clearly gender neutral. Making up stories in your head again.

Telstra’s chief talent officer, Katherine Paroz said: “This is a legitimate form of leave and as an iconic Australian organisation we see it as important that we have a prominent role in tackling violence against women,” she said. Thus she equates DV with violence against women, just as the feminists do.

 

[kfc1]

The policy is clearly gender neutral. Making up stories in your head again.

Razorback posted this before, seems to have disappeared for some reason:

http://www.smartcompany.com.au/peop...-offering-staff-domestic-violence-leave.html#

“The Workplace Accreditation program is the world’s first aimed at violence against women in the workplace. It is evidence-based and across all sectors.”

Telstra’s head of diversity and inclusion, Troy Roderick, told SmartCompany the domestic violence leave policy is the culmination of years of work by the telco.“We’ve been working on the issue of men’s violence against women since 2009 and evolved our approach since then. The prevention data showed that we had both survivors and perpetrators in the Telstra family, among staff and customers, and that we had a vital role to play in raising awareness and prevention,” Roderick says.

Doesnt sound gender neutral to me

 

[Lester Burnham]

The policy is clearly gender neutral. Making up stories in your head again.

A policy where all victims of violence are entitled to extra leave from work would be gender neutral. This measure is clearly aimed at females.

 

[clogged]

Quite a few women I know are aghast at this policy.

 

[cartwright]

Quite a few women I know are aghast at this policy.

Why?

 

[clogged]

Why?

Why should it exist?

 

[cartwright]

Why should it exist?

Legitimate form of leave.... allows victims to deal with the court proceedings.... ... If a company wants to add this form of leave, I really don't see the issue. tbh, I doubt its going to be used extensively. The social stigma of DV is still there.

 

[clogged]

Legitimate form of leave.... allows victims to deal with the court proceedings.... ... If a company wants to add this form of leave, I really don't see the issue. tbh, I doubt its going to be used extensively. The social stigma of DV is still there.

Why doesn't this leave then extend to all victims of crime who need to deal with court proceedings? And doesn't ordinary forms of leave account for this anyway at many companies?

This kind of carve out looks to many women as a special form of pandering, and for the career focused woman who wants to make it on her own terms, these entitlements can only undermine them.

I'm sure it makes for good social responsibility marketing for Telstra though.

 

[cartwright]

Why doesn't this leave then extend to all victims of crime who need to deal with court proceedings? And doesn't ordinary forms of leave account for this anyway at many companies?

This kind of carve out looks to many women as a special form of pandering, and for the career focused woman who wants to make it on her own terms, these entitlements can only undermine them.

I'm sure it makes for good social responsibility marketing for Telstra though.

Sure I agree, its not fair to other victims of different crime.

I'm going to be interested to hear how its taken up. I don't expect it will be heavily used. ..... its not a policy for women only. Sure, the marketing of it is ~ but the actual policy is open to all full time staff.

 

[evo]

I'm sure it makes for good social responsibility marketing for Telstra though.

The woman's studies major that someone hired a couple of years ago for HR had to make herself relevant somehow.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Okay, a shiny ******* 20 cent piece to the first person who can produce a clause from the proposed agreement that states that it only applies to women.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

It's inequitable that the policy is designed to support the victims of only one type of social problem and not others.

Telstra’s chief talent officer, Katherine Paroz, said the leave would be available to full-time employees for medical appointments, legal advice or counselling.

“This is a legitimate form of leave and as an iconic Australian organisation we see it as important that we have a prominent role in tackling violence against women,” she said.
​

http://www.afr.com/p/national/telstra_offers_domestic_violence_IJ2kVTtJIzp3TRMs2Z1d9I

For example, it ignores that non-domestic violence is a much bigger problem than DV.

EXPERIENCE OF VIOLENCE DURING THE LAST 12 MONTHS (a)(b), 18 years and over

Males 737,100
Females 467,300

EXPERIENCE OF VIOLENCE FROM A PARTNER DURING THE LAST 12 MONTHS (a)(b)(c), 18 years and over

Males 51,800
Females 132,500​

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4125.0main features5110Feb 2014

The impact of domestic violence can be significantly more severe than general violence, the abuser (be they male or female - no need for the no girls club to get their knickers in a twist) is a person of trust, there can, and often is children involved, there can be a need to seek alternative accommodation etc

 

[clogged]

Okay, a shiny ******* 20 cent piece to the first person who can produce a clause from the proposed agreement that states that it only applies to women.

Who said it has to? What makes domestic violence such a special form of violence, or even makes violence such a special form of crime?

 

[Belnakor]

Telstra’s chief talent officer, Katherine Paroz

so Telstra have a "chief talent officer" and a "head of diversity and inclusion". Both are probably on 400k+.

nah they aren't bloated at all.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

If anyone is genuinely interested in understanding why there is a move from employers to include domestic violence leave clauses in enterprise agreements, I would recommend reading the Access Economics report which can be found here https://www.dss.gov.au/sites/defaul...2012/cost_of_dv_to_australian_economy_i_1.pdf

Those that froth at the mouth in a tesseract like manner, 'play on'.

 

[cartwright]

Who said it has to? What makes domestic violence such a special form of violence, or even makes violence such a special form of crime?

This may play a part: Two out of three women who report violence by a current partner are in paid employment and violence against women and children costs the economy $13.6 billion a year.

http://www.afr.com/p/national/telstra_offers_domestic_violence_IJ2kVTtJIzp3TRMs2Z1d9I

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Who said it has to? What makes domestic violence such a special form of violence, or even makes violence such a special form of crime?

I have been a victim of domestic violence and random violence. Domestic violence affected me significantly more than being bashed by three guys. The injuries I received from the d/v were negligible, but to have the person I loved physically assault me, having to call the police and genuinely fearing for my safety in my own house was devastating.