how many male victims have died in their own homes by their partners, ex-partners or wives?.
Figures I have seen but don't have to hand (that will come later tonight) is that men are victims of intimate partner violence at a rate of one a month.
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how many male victims have died in their own homes by their partners, ex-partners or wives?.
Agree your comments about the children. Where do we start the education process that it is wrong to lash out physically against others?My main issue is the lack of focus on the safety of children in the public discourse, the fact that society seems hesitant to acknowledge the bad things women and mothers can do to their children(compared to fathers and men at least), and the fact that in the public sphere Australia seems to care more about women than children.
If men were responsible for the vast majority of child abuse in Australia I truly believe more public attention would be given to the issue.
I also take issue with the fact that the abuse and deaths of children can be used as a political tool to further women's interests rather than that of children.
The deception in the use of statistics to gather public funding by high profile figures can make them appear to be acting in their own self interest rather than with integrity along with only good intentions.
No it is the deaths that count or aren't you interested?Little Graham: The stats are wrong. Here's proof.
Reframers: So you're condoning violence against women?!
Little Graham: The stats are wrong. Here's proof.
Reframers: Do you believe too many women are being killed by their partners?
Little Graham: The stats are wrong. Here's proof.
Reframers: You misogynist prick!
Little Graham: The stats are wrong. Here's proof.
Reframers: You violence-promoting arsehole!
Welcome to political discourse in Australia. Nevermind facts, the agenda is what counts, and they'll continue to reframe the debate until the smear campaign is complete.
They're like the audience on Q & A.
Are there any other reasons you are not a fan of Rosie Batty that you would like to share here?What does being 'an English woman' have to do with it? By the way, I am not a fan of hers, I think she should include both sexes as an issue.
No sorry, suffice to say, I really am concerned about seeing our PM hanging on the coat-tails of someone that he thinks will help him build a better public profile when for me it is about better understanding what is in the heads of these people and the affect it is having on children and what their role models look like.Are there any other reasons you are not a fan of Rosie Batty that you would like to share here?
I get the impression a number of people(not just males) have mixed feelings about her but are too hesitant to articulate them because of the consequences.
If the deaths counted/were important they wouldn't peddle blatant lies like they are all domestic violence related. Some of them (a large amount) are being misappropriated and used for sheer political gain.No it is the deaths that count or aren't you interested?
Why are you and others trying to make it about men/women, numbers being inaccurate\accurate, taxpayers money etc, etc
If the deaths counted/were important they wouldn't peddle blatant lies like they are all domestic violence related. Some of them (a large amount) are being misappropriated and used for sheer political gain.
Do you have any stats to back up the notion that less women are being killed as a result of domestic violence?Yes. I also believe too many children are abused, there are too many workplace deaths etc. Lying to take over public debate and place dramatic focus on one area or need to the detriment of many others is where the problem sits.
They are lying to give the impression that the problem is growing . The lower number is dramatic enough and speaks for itself.
vintage mottrain.
Where do we start the education process that it is wrong to lash out physically against others?
Tell me something I don't already know. Not sure who that was directed to.By recognising that women just as much as men play a part in the violent cycles in which kids are drawn into. Cycles which often contribute to that child themselves becoming violent later in life.
Tell me something I don't already know. Not sure who that was directed to.
Don't you too make it about men versus women.
When a woman is harmed by a man they come up with a dialogue that "it's a men's issue". Of course the guy could have been raised by a violent single mother for all we know yet somehow that isn't ever disclosed. It's simply a mens issue.
Even if that is the case it would only be true for a minority of cases. Using this argument is just a weak attempt to deflect from the main problem by focussing on the outliers.
Thought so.I'm making it about the idiots who are given the stage to spout their s**t when anything bad happens to a woman.
When a woman is harmed by a man they come up with a dialogue that "it's a men's issue". Of course the guy could have been raised by a violent single mother for all we know yet somehow that isn't ever disclosed. It's simply a mens issue.
Thus it absolves women from playing any part in these processes which could have lead to said psychos violent issues.
Really? How can you say it's a minority?
Logic. Try it some time.
Thought so.
Because the rate of domestic violence with male perpetrators and the percentage of single mother households in the country does not match up!Well you're logic is not working then. Maybe you need to try it yourself.
I just told you someone who knows what they are talking about contradicts your claim.
Is it logical to dismiss her experiences?
Because the rate of domestic violence with male perpetrators and the percentage of single mother households in the country does not match up!
What's to comprehend. You, like numerous other men's rights supporters, deliberately ignore that vast majority of statistical data that contradicts your arguments. You rely on arguments on semantics and focus on the outliers to reinforce your preconceived notions.Show me those figures. You must have them to know that. I'll await them.
Also way to go for not comprehending.
When told of the 60% of women who entered a womens shelter were violent no mention was made of them being single mothers. The issue is they are violent. Not their marital status.
Because the rate of domestic violence with male perpetrators and the percentage of single mother households in the country does not match up!
So, of these 22,000 men you would argue that a statistically significant number of them came from the 112,000 single mother families in Victoria, which make up a mere 13% of all families in the state and those single mothers from within said families played a part in their violent tendencies.