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Gender, itself, is considered a social construct to these folk, hence their position and subsequent warped conclusions.
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Gender, itself, is considered a social construct to these folk, hence their position and subsequent warped conclusions.
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See, stuff like that is silly. It's exactly the same as saying "Well, women in Saudi Arabia are the ones who need feminism, not you".
Feminism the ideal is beyond criticism, feminism the movement is not. I'd say the intent of this thread was to criticise some of the methods and ulterior motives (profit usually, not castrating men or whatever other strawman Paul Elam is endorsing. I'd never heard of the guy until KV brought him up, which makes me think he's just the Andrew Bolt of gender, and not actually an influential source), and not the actual intent behind feminism as a whole.
Some, especially on the internet, can not separate criticism of actions from criticism of motives, I'd hazard a guess that it's because to them the ends always justify the means, and the only possible reason to disagree is if one is trying to discredit feminism as an ideal. "Someone is misrepresenting the facts? Well, the stuff they are using those dodgy facts to endorse are good, so you must really be criticising the good stuff and you don't really care about the 'facts'" to oversimplify it,
The other half of the communication breakdown is actual sexists who, much like white supremacists, will attach themselves to any semi-reasonable point of view that could be interpreted as helpful to their cause and will beat that horse to death to justify their views. At the end of the day, these two groups (sexist appropriators and, I don't know, inquisitors?) only really exist to argue with each other and try to pigeonhole everyone into their side or the enemy.
Feminism the ideal is beyond criticism, feminism the movement is not. I'd say the intent of this thread was to criticise some of the methods and ulterior motives (profit usually, not castrating men or whatever other strawman Paul Elam is endorsing. I'd never heard of the guy until KV brought him up, which makes me think he's just the Andrew Bolt of gender, and not actually an influential source), and not the actual intent behind feminism as a whole.
Some, especially on the internet, can not separate criticism of actions from criticism of motives, I'd hazard a guess that it's because to them the ends always justify the means, and the only possible reason to disagree is if one is trying to discredit feminism as an ideal. "Someone is misrepresenting the facts? Well, the stuff they are using those dodgy facts to endorse are good, so you must really be criticising the good stuff and you don't really care about the 'facts'" to oversimplify it,
The other half of the communication breakdown is actual sexists who, much like white supremacists, will attach themselves to any semi-reasonable point of view that could be interpreted as helpful to their cause and will beat that horse to death to justify their views. At the end of the day, these two groups (sexist appropriators and, I don't know, inquisitors?) only really exist to argue with each other and try to pigeonhole everyone into their side or the enemy.
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Rapist fin soup.Apparently 100 million sharks are killed annually in the name of an unjustified threat to humans
If you're going to compare with the animal kingdom, humans are probably one of the kinder creatures when it comes to rape statistics. I would hate to be a dolphin or a cat.
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Ignorant and ill-informed. Where does it stem from?
Apparently 100 million sharks are killed annually in the name of an unjustified threat to humans
Not sure of the origin but its been doing the rounds on fb
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https://www.facebook.com/ThePixelPr...1424820151./10153069948744267/?type=1&theater
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link doesn't work?
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The thing I find frustrating about this sort of rubbish is that it is counterproductive to make clearly erroneous claims - people focus on the obvious factual error about sharks rather than the terrible statistic of sexual assault.
It does, im just asking what your point is? Pixel Project isnt the author and the "source" they listed shows the shark stat is rubbish
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well it provided more context than you posting just the image, that is where you got it from, right? Facebook?
Sorry i assumed u were disagreeing with me
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On this thread? AS IF!!!
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Not to mention the 'focusing on the wrong predators' bit turns approving of shark culling into 'not caring about rape' when the two issues aren't related by any stretch of the imagination. Pissing random groups of people off is counter productive.
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As someone who is passionate about shark conservation it pisses me off.
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right, it appears we are in heated agreement, erm, level with me guys....am I dying???
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This was the reason for starting the thread. Maybe not all the examples in the OP are as "clearly erroneous" as the shark stats, but they're still things that have been debunked but continue to get brought up over and over again. If feminists have to resort to lies and exaggerations to make their points, then it just makes it seem like their actual points aren't very good. Sometimes there are good points in there somewhere, but they're coated in a layer of bullshit that makes them easy to dismiss.
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Wage gap myth, probably the most inaccurate non-fact pushed by pro-gender-feminists.
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While I don't want to generalise anyone, I'd say that women are much, much more likely to report or feel threatened by sexual assault. By the definition of sexual assault, I've been sexually assaulted. I've seen my male friends be sexually assaulted.
But I just laughed it off, even though it made me pretty uncomfortable. I can't imagine many women I know doing the same thing if the roles were reversed.
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