Football club finances / FFP

[chef]

The times are a changing.

Did you read the PDF FAITH

 

[Latro]

Lots of plastic fans around.

 

[moomba]

Lots of plastic fans around.

For about 30 years now, maybe longer.

 

[chef]

Lots of plastic fans around.

Yep. We all have them.

 

[moomba]

This is the progression over the past decade.

 

[Magma]

from being on the verge of administration in 2008 to that. not a bad turn around.

 

[FAITH]

chef thoughts?

http://www.goal.com/en-au/news/7193...10-most-powerful-brands-in/introduction#photo

 

[Fryer Tuck]

Because you like English clubs, here's a visual comparison for the English clubs in the top 50:



The relegated clubs were not part of the top 50.

 

[Dogs till i die]

A system so good that the teams from non AFL states need consistent propping up which rewards teams for finishing 18th instead of 9th is not a good system at all.

Well, that "system" has seen 11 of the 16 clubs who have competed in each of the past 5 AFL seasons to 2014, make the top 4 and play in a Preliminary Final.

Love my EPL but could you seriously see that happening there? Palace, for instance finishing top 4? We were rapt to finish 10th this season.

Love it or hate it (and it is imperfect), the "system" provides some hope for the smaller clubs which should be the goal of every professional sport in the world. Success for smaller clubs is almost impossible in the EPL and most European leagues. All I can hope for realistically is for Palace is to stay in the EPL and the occasional win against the big boys.

 

[TooUglyForFugly]

Well, that "system" has seen 11 of the 16 clubs who have competed in each of the past 5 AFL seasons to 2014, make the top 4 and play in a Preliminary Final.

Love my EPL but could you seriously see that happening there? Palace, for instance finishing top 4? We were rapt to finish 10th this season.

Love it or hate it (and it is imperfect), the "system" provides some hope for the smaller clubs which should be the goal of every professional sport in the world. Success for smaller clubs is almost impossible in the EPL and most European leagues. All I can hope for realistically is for Palace is to stay in the EPL and the occasional win against the big boys.

Kind of also helps that the AFL doesn't have a relegation system to be fair.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Kind of also helps that the AFL doesn't have a relegation system to be fair.

Nor does the AFL have competing leagues.

 

[ADL9798]

Distribution of salaries across 9 different leagues:

http://www.sportingintelligence.com...ter-city-barcelona-and-the-la-dodgers-200501/

 

[Cruyff14]

I do not understand that.

 

[ADL9798]

I do not understand that.

In short, EPL wages are much higher than any other league.

The dots and the top and bottom of the lines represent the maximum and minimum salaries paid by each league
The boxes in the middle represent the middle 50% of salaries paid by each league
The line through the middle of the box is the median salary paid by each league
The x represents the mean salary paid by each league.

 

[Cruyff14]

There is no dot on the EPL one.

 

[ADL9798]

There is no dot on the EPL one.

Put simply because there are so many players on massive wages in the EPL, the highest earners/highest paying clubs are not considered outliers (ie unusual relative to the rest of the league, these outliers are represented by dots).

Conversely in La Liga you have guys like Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar earning stupid money and Barcelona & Madrid paying their players a hell of a lot more than anyone else (therefore they are considered outliers to the distribution of wages for the rest of the players in La Liga), with the rest of the league earning considerably less.

 

[Fryer Tuck]

Put simply because there are so many players on massive wages in the EPL, the highest earners are not considered outliers (ie unusual relative to the rest of the league, these outliers are represented by dots).

Conversely in La Liga you have guys like Messi, Ronaldo Neymar earning stupid money (therefore they are considered outliers to the distribution of wages for the rest of the players in La Liga), with the rest of the league earning considerably less.

It ties in pretty well with these graphs I posted earlier on squad value: http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threa...if-video-thread.766989/page-234#post-38254444

If you look at the list that ADL9798 has posted, you can see that 3rd placed City is at the very top of the PL. In any other league, they would be an outlier, yet they are considered to be within range (this is further helped by the the top 6 clubs offering large salaries.)

As ADL9798 has noted, the average salary in the PL is higher than the salary of at least 75% of clubs in other leagues. Even Burnley's salary would be considered on par to a midtable team in the other major leagues (and on par with Celtic, which gives an idea on the Scottish side of things).

I find it interesting that thanks to PSG, Real, and Barca, (and I guess Celtic) the average salary of the league is actually above the salary of 75% of clubs in their own league.

 

[moomba]

That analysis is flawed iirc.

Say the Dodgers, I think he's added up the wages of the players on the 40 man roster and used that as the average. Even though only 25 are eligible to play at one time for the bulk of the year. As 26-40 are usually on small money it brings the average done.

With football clubs he's used the total wages of the club (including staff, non senior players etc) and divided it by the number of players on the premier lesgue list.

Can't confifm that as my internet is down and only have phone internet atm. Buts thats how he did it last season.

 

[Magma]

haha sporting 'intelligence'

he's just another daily mail writer who discovered excel.

 

[moomba]

Manchester City transfer news: City could still suffer if Uefa relax FFP merely to suit new owners

City have been linked with Paul Pogba, Raheem Sterling and others

Ian Herbert

Friday, 19 June 2015

Manchester City’s hopes that a relaxation on Uefa Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules will give them huge freedom to spend may be frustrated, amid suggestions that clubs with new owners will be the main winners from the overhaul.

With the decision on how FFP will be modified scheduled to be made at Uefa’s Executive Committee meeting in Prague, a week on Monday and Tuesday, The Independent understands that the governing body has been persuaded that the current regime is proving a millstone for those clubs which are finding a buyer.

A possible scenario is that sides like Milan – who are currently seeking such investment – will be allowed a short period of accelerated spending, allowing new owners to capitalise on their investment, so long as they can demonstrate how they will subsequently bring the club quickly towards a break-even figure. The firm possibility of clubs with new owners benefiting most from the relaxation of rules underlines the influence of Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani within the European Club Association, which is a driving force behind the changes. Best weekly Premier League fixtures 2015/16

British clubs seeking buyers, such as Randy Lerner’s Aston Villa, could also view the emphasis on new owners as helpful, albeit Villa are a distance away from needing to comply with Uefa’s FFP rules.

Lawyers yesterday indicated that allowing clubs with new owners such an advantage may seem discriminatory, though it is likely to be one of a number of measures designed to make the FFP system work more effectively.

City await the Prague decision with interest, amid suggestions in L’Equipe last weekend that clubs which were in breach of FFP last year – including themselves and Paris Saint-Germain, both handed £49million fines – would not be allowed to benefit from a more flexible system. The newspaper reported that PSG are expecting to be denied the chance to spend more freely until 2019, with Monaco constrained to their existing spending until 2020.

“PSG viewed [the changes] as good news for the 2016 transfer window and was already beginning to consider major purchases,” L’Equipe reported. “But it will not happen. The French capital’s side will not be affected by these changes.”

City did not spend to full capacity last summer and have always felt that they would be able to invest in the squad this summer.

The loss of James Milner, Frank Lampard and Dedryck Boyata has created potential to pay out on wages for Liverpool’s Raheem Sterling, Juventus star Paul Pogba and Kevin de Bruyne, of Wolfsburg. But the disappointment of continued UEFA restrictions may impede their attempts to bring in Pogba, if they find themselves in a bidding war with Real Madrid.

 

[moomba]

Sounds fair.

 

[Magma]

well, sounds like it's all she wrote for parma. mike piazza is expected to pull out of saving them due to unsustainable investment required. not sure what happens next, but the minimum is a relegation to serie d if investment cannot be secure. and absolute sporting tragedy.

platini, where art thou? thought this wasn't going to happen anymore.

 

[FAITH]

great club sad to see them like this

 

[Magma]

and it's official. they're now officially an amateur club and will play in serie d next season.

102 years of proud history flushed down the toilet like it was nothing. feel for their fans.

baggio, buffon, crespo, thuram, cannavaro, zola, asprilla. just a few names to don the parma strip for 100+ games. just terrible.

 

[Cruyff14]

Roberto?

Never played for Parma.