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Gary Ablett Highlight Reels - What More Can You Say
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I'm certain you never watched him play in the 80's. Subsequently, anything you continue to post in here is pointless banter
Just saying he played a lot of full-forward stuff in the 80s.
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he did but Geelong's style in the 1980's was always free flowing and not dictated by any one key forward. We often saw the likes of Brownless, Turner, Exell, Lindner, Cameron play FF throughout games as their height and overhead marking was usually very good.
Mark Jackson was very much a one-dimensional player at FF for a couple of years in the mid 80's.
It is also a reason why Geelong scored heavily from game to game, all those forward options and when you had arguably one of the greatest players of all-time able to kick 4 goals from HFF, it made it difficult to contain them.
Not much down back unfortunately.
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I agree with this. Ablett seemed to take Jackson's role when he broke down or retired, and you can see this happen both in highlight tapes and stats.
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nope quite wrong yet again Hodgepodge. Even in 1986 where he averaged 4.3 goals per game he was named HFF in the VFL team of the year.
Some of his most brilliant and higher-tallied goals were played from the flank throughout the 80's....who could forget the 2nd (or 3rd?) highest tally of 14.2 against Richmond in 1989 as a prime example.
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That doesn't mean that full-forward wasn't his primary position. He probably lost the FF spot to a permanent full-forward such as Brian Taylor.
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or his 7.5 against Collingwood the week after
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sure it does, everyone who followers football knows this to be the case, all except yourself who keeps trying to say he played most of his 80's & early 90's as a permanent full forward.
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I rank this as possibly his best game
Wait, I thought this was on the wing? Are you saying it was from the forward line now?
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Oh, that's just plain wrong because there's just too many examples where this is not true. Ablett is just one of them.
For example, Jason Dunstall wasn't a forward pocket in 1994, Tony Lockett wasn't a forward pocket in 1992, Dane Swan wasn't a half-forward in 2009 and so on.
Saying that every football follower knows that players get picked in their actual positions in these teams is obviously wrong and easy to disprove.
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As you can see podge, something strange happens in 1993, prior to that year, his goal accuracy was 56% but for some mysterious reason, that shoots upto 64.5%.
Not only does his accuracy around goals improve quite dramatically (while disposals dropped considerably), his goal average is 6.2 for seasons 93, 94 and 95 before dropping back to 4 in his final year due to obvious reasons.
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how could this be if he played as our primary full forward throughout the 80's (as you claim)
Surely you are not suggesting the Ablett in seasons 93-96 was far better than the Ablett in his prime between 86-89?
Or could it have something to do with a change of positions and being closer to goals?
Surely you are not suggesting the Ablett in seasons 93-96 was far better than the Ablett in his prime between 86-89?
Or could it have something to do with a change of positions and being closer to goals?
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how could this be if he played as our primary full forward throughout the 80's (as you claim)
Easy, he went from a non-specialist full-forward to a permanent full-forward, both of which would be your primary full-forward in those respective time brackets.
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EFA.
3 goals upto the start of the final quarter before kicking 4 and only dishing off how many goal assists in total? 2 maybe 3? And you claim that is his best game you have ever seen?
Wow!
You certainly have never watched this bloke play as that post highlights it all.
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Non-specialist full-forward is the terminology that Ablett's biographer used. I think calling Ablett a half-forward during that time is a little disingenuous.
Oh god, now you're talking down your own player just to try and make a point.
I said it's possibly his best game. And yes, I rank as such for a few reasons, including output, matchwinning and the quality of opponent.
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well I'd happily take his 1990 state game, 14 v Richmond & Essendon, 6 goal performance v North in 86, 1984 State game, 150th v Eagles and a few in 1993 too before choosing this one against Collingwood.
Great game but hardly one of his best ever, maybe one of his best ever quarters of football but to suggest it's one if his best ever games is comical.
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could probably throw in any of his 89 finals matches over that Collingwood performance too.
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Comical would be rating a game against a bottom 4 side ahead of it.
This was one of his best games in probably his best season and arguably his richest vein of form, albeit a two or three game run.
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comical is your assertion that Geelong was some kind of powerhouse in the 80's, do you realize we struggled to beat Brisbane in those early days?
No you wouldn't because Hawthorn were a top 4 team so it's easy to make that assertion I guess.
Should we exclude Franklin's masterful 8 goal performance against Port Adelaide in 2011 because they played a bottom 4 team or majority of his highest tallies against weaker opposition in 2008?
What about some of Leigh Matthew's games, 11 goals against Melbourne in 81 or the two 7 goal displays against Geelong and Footscray who were battlers in their own right
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Geelong were a grand finalist in the relevant year.
Um yeah, you'd rate his 8 goal performance against the top 4 Bulldogs in 2008 well ahead of it, naturally . . .
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What about them?
Of Matthews 11 goals against Melbourne, of course I rate his 11 goals against a Top 4 team in Essendon, 1973 as a better performance.
I didn't rate these as possibly his best performances either.
Matthews performed against Footscray when they were a top 4 team. Even in his final year when he was finished, he managed to kick 6 against them. He also came off the bench in the last term and swung the game into Hawthorn's favour in the preliminary final that year. I would rate these as amongst his most notorious performances against Footscray.
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Yeah but as champion players do, they always get better as the game wears on. I love watching Ablett footage. My favourite ever player and the player I would deem as the games greatest ever player.
