Gough Whitlam: Messiah or Very Naughty Boy?

Messiah or Very Naughty Boy?

  • Messiah

    Votes: 37 72.5%

  • Very Naughty Boy

    Votes: 7 13.7%

  • What the?

    Votes: 7 13.7%
  • Total voters
    51

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Gus Poyet said:
Loved spending other peoples money. Godfather of the modern handout society. Pin up for the the free loading socialists.
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Interesting...

Gus Poyet said:
Yes, because someone who is freeloading is more beneficial to society than someone who works hard for what they have.

At least you've nailed your colours to the mast. Supporter of bludgers, parasites and leeches.
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Simple explanations for simple people.
 
Jiska said:
As a taxpayer, I have no problem contributing money to allow those less fortunate than me access to free healthcare, education and legal aid. I also am very thankful he connected Australian homes to sewage.

I do, however, have a massive problem spending billions of dollars invading foreign countries we have no right to be in.

You forget the things Gough did that weren't big spending items and economically cost very little; equal pay for women, abolishing the White Australia Policy, established diplomatic relations with China; one of our biggest trading partners modern day, drafted the Land Rights Act, granted PNG independence, abolished conscription and ended criminal executions.
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I'm afraid history has been again re written by the left there. It wasn't Gough.

https://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/08abolition.htm

The March 1966 announcement was the watershed in abolishing the 'White Australia' policy, and non-European migration began to increase. Yearly non-European settler arrivals rose from 746 in 1966 to 2,696 in 1971, while yearly part-European settler arrivals rose from 1498 to 6054.
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Jiska said:
As a taxpayer, I have no problem contributing money to allow those less fortunate than me access to free healthcare, education and legal aid. I also am very thankful he connected Australian homes to sewage.
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That is what charity is for. Not tax payers $.

If you were taxed at a much lower rate and had more disposable income then you would be free to contribute to charities who assist those less fortunate.


I do, however, have a massive problem spending billions of dollars invading foreign countries we have no right to be in.
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As do I. Protect our own should be our only objective.

You forget the things Gough did that weren't big spending items and economically cost very little; equal pay for women, abolishing the White Australia Policy, established diplomatic relations with China; one of our biggest trading partners modern day, drafted the Land Rights Act, granted PNG independence, abolished conscription and ended criminal executions.
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Sorry, but the Liberals were repsonsible for the bulk of the White Australia policy wind back. It was Labor who opposed the Liberals when they started to wind it back. Crediting Gough with it is giving him credit for others work.

I have no issues saying he did some decent things. Every Government does. I simply see him as a big reason for the creation of the welfare mentality and people expecting so much from the Governments for very little contribution themselves.
 

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RUNVS said:
You should move to Alabama as I think you would be happy there.
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Why? You need hard working people like me to get taxed to the shithouse to provide for all the leeches in society.

If all the hard workers that pay their own way in life left you'd all starve to death.
 
Gus Poyet said:
My ideal system is nobody gets taxed highly and people get to decide what their money is spent on. Not have Governments take it from them in great amounts and then waste it in countless bullshit ways.

Work hard and anyone can do well in life in that system.

People like Whitlam are only too happy to tax the s**t out of us and then decide for us how best to spend OUR money, not theirs, other peoples money.

It was very easy for him to spend other peoples money when it wasn't his.

Then we had to keep being over taxed to help contribute to his ridiculous pension.
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It's weird how studies show the highest taxed countries in the world have the happiest people.. Would you like some links?
 
Gus Poyet said:
Why? You need hard working people like me to get taxed to the shithouse to provide for all the leeches in society.

If all the hard workers that pay their own way in life left you'd all starve to death.
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The fact you equate being rich with being a hard worker and being poor with being lazy is really disturbing.
 
carnthemlions said:
Yeah, I know. Libertarian paradise and all that. Be careful what you wish for, it wouldn't be what you expect.
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I know it wouldnt be what i'd hope for. Oh all the other Libertarians wouldn't cause me any grief. They get it.

It's the leeches like socialists i'd have to be constantly looking over my shoulder at. They don't like it when others wont share what they have with them.
 
oooohhh fuuuuaaaaark, Gus is here complaining AGAIN about the bad, bad gubment spending his money and giving it to the less privileged.

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RUNVS said:
The fact you equate being rich with being a hard worker and being poor with being lazy is really disturbing.
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I would be rich if I wasnt taxed so highly. As it is i'm simply comfortably well off. I got that way from hard work.

Anyone can live a comfortable life if they aren't ******* stupid and live within their means.
 

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Gus Poyet said:
That is what charity is for. Not tax payers $.

If you were taxed at a much lower rate and had more disposable income then you would be free to contribute to charities who assist those less fortunate.
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People such as you would never contribute to charities, and we'd end up like America.

Gus Poyet said:
Sorry, but the Liberals were repsonsible for the bulk of the White Australia policy wind back. It was Labor who opposed the Liberals when they started to wind it back. Crediting Gough with it is giving him credit for others work.
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They may have started winding it back, but they didn't abolish it. Given they were in power for 21 years prior, they certainly had a lot more time than Gough did to get rid of it if that was indeed their intent.
The legal end of the White Australia policy is usually placed in the year 1973, when the Whitlam Labor government implemented a series of amendments preventing the enforcement of racial aspects of the immigration law.[25] These amendments:

  • Legislated that all migrants, regardless of origin, be eligible to obtain citizenship after three years of permanent residence.
  • Ratified all international agreements relating to immigration and race.
  • Issued policy to totally disregard race as a factor in selecting migrants.
The 1975 Racial Discrimination Act made the use of racial criteria for any official purpose illegal.
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RUNVS said:
Here is a video you should watch

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Why? You don't seem to get it.

I don't want you to live to my political philosophies. Live your own. If you want to be a raving communist go for it.

Just don't make me try to live by your philosophies nor have me or Governments fund it.
 
Gus Poyet said:
Why? You don't seem to get it.

I don't want you to live to my political philosophies. Live your own. If you want to be a raving communist go for it.

Just don't make me try to live by your philosophies nor have me or Governments fund it.
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That is fine as long as you are willing not to use any roads that the government has built or to use anything that the government has funded.
 
Gus Poyet said:
If you are genuinely poor don't have kids until you can afford them. Not that hard to be responsible is it?
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I with you on this one, my major influence when I vote is the Middle income welfare that was distributed by the Howard government in its terms in office. Gave me the right pain in the arse, if you are going to breed don't let me pay for your new...lovely little Jonny's and Jany's.
 
Jiska said:
People such as you would never contribute to charities, and we'd end up like America.
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Completely wrong. So far wrong it's hilarious. As part of my local Parish we helped settle 3 Sudanese families into our local area. Housing, Transport, Education all taken care of by local parishioners. Didn't need tax payers $ to make that happen.

People such as me don't need Governments to do s**t. We get off our arses and do it ourselves. Governments and their stupid red tape ane woeful overpaid useless bureaucrats are a waste of time and money.

They may have started winding it back, but they didn't abolish it. Given they were in power for 21 years prior, they certainly had a lot more time than Gough did to get rid of it if that was indeed their intent.
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What's the hardest, the start or the finish of something that controversial?

Revisionist history is fun.
 
Gus Poyet said:
Yes, because someone who is freeloading is more beneficial to society than someone who works hard for what they have.

At least you've nailed your colours to the mast. Supporter of bludgers, parasites and leeches.
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And you have shown yourself to be lacking in both compassion and lacking in a basic understanding of how economies work. With full employment impossible to achieve, what do you suggest should become of those who cannot find work? What do you propose we should do with underprivileged children who cannot afford a decent education? What do you suggest should happen to those who are too sick to work and cannot afford adequate healthcare?

I pay my taxes happily knowing that at least some goes to help those less fortunate. Tell me who is worse, the so called "freeloaders" or the capitalist pricks who spend more time finding ways to avoid paying their appropriate taxes than actually contributing?
 
RUNVS said:
That is fine as long as you are willing not to use any roads that the government has built or to use anything that the government has funded.
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Poor people don't need roads, though, because they don't drive cars.
 
The Cryptkeeper said:
And you have shown yourself to be lacking in both compassion and lacking in a basic understanding of how economies work. With full employment impossible to achieve, what do you suggest should become of those who cannot find work? What do you propose we should do with underprivileged children who cannot afford a decent education? What do you suggest should happen to those who are too sick to work and cannot afford adequate healthcare?

I pay my taxes happily knowing that at least some goes to help those less fortunate. Tell me who is worse, the so called "freeloaders" or the capitalist pricks who spend more time finding ways to avoid paying their appropriate taxes than actually contributing?
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They should've saved up more money to get them through the hard times. You can move back with your parents. There's also plenty of casual and seasonal work out there like McDonald's and fruit picking, all you have to do is ask around and work hard. If you're physically unable to, you can still sit at a desk and do paperwork.

/sarcasm
 
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