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Have we officially passed the point where Abbott is worse that Gillard and Rudd?
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You're pretty right. The policies Abbott is keenest on are 60's white australian type policies and those of Royalist, christian, anglo saxons.
Although he is exceptionally keen on giving Government agencies more powers to impose on the freedom of Australians in the name of "security" or more properly "insecurity", an insecurity he and Howard before him helped impose on us through their politically motivated panicking of the population, involving us in unjustified foreign invasions and in Tony's case just carrying of like little child on the world stage.
Pretty much every economic policy that the fanbois here justify with: 'but it's not the role of governments to provide ...".
Take the Medicare co-payment for example. "It's the role of governments to provide free healthcare because it should be left to the market". That role of government philosophy comes from the US right. Take uni fees, take the NBN, the ABC, the CSIRO.
Oops - that's 5 already. I'll stop there.
Got rid of carbon and mining taxes and cut back on the absurd NBN white elephant. Made an effort to decrease massive deficit (which others voted against)
For that alone much, much better than the last government who were about as good as economic managers as the current French government.
A long, long way to go to be as bad as Rudd/Gillard.
QT thread at best.
Sorry Gough, doubled? Another $200bn of government debt? I wasn't aware of that. As for the deficit, that hasn't doubled either, it was never going to be the projected $18bn (odd how certain media outlets are / were happy to wheel out that lie). It was update to $30bn before they lost power.
I agree with you though, Abbott should have shown more courage and cut spending far more. Massive amount of fat in the ABC, SBS, public service numbers etc.
Cowardly.
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You just named 5 things the liberal party believes should be continued to be funded by taxpayers. The point of the medicare co-payment is to discourage people from going to the doctor when they have a headache or are just lonely, which is a serious problem in Australia. It's seriously like $5 off the cost of a GP visit that costs the taxpayer $40, and no other changes to our extremely generous public health system have been proposed by the liberal party.
Your problem is that you are
A: Thinking of policies that the Australian Liberal party does not hold
B: Assuming that any policy based on free market ideas is an American invention
C: Asssuming that America is any different to most other countries. In truth America spends just as much taxpayer $ as a proportion of GDP than any other developed country. If you really want an example of a country that adheres strongly to free market principles, then a better example would be Singapore or Hong Kong.
The US government already taxes more than either Australia or New Zealand does. You guys who imagine that the US is some lassez-faire dystopia simply don't know what you are on about.
Government spending as a percentage of GDP:
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This country should be a paradise. Anyone who attempts to increase taxes on those who are robbing all our riches, should be made kings.
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Shorten will be OK for me old chum
Lol pls go troll, Australia's best 2 PMs worst?
You just named 5 things the liberal party believes should be continued to be funded by taxpayers. The point of the medicare co-payment is to discourage people from going to the doctor when they have a headache or are just lonely, which is a serious problem in Australia. It's seriously like $5 off the cost of a GP visit that costs the taxpayer $40, and no other changes to our extremely generous public health system have been proposed by the liberal party.
Your problem is that you are
A: Thinking of policies that the Australian Liberal party does not hold
B: Assuming that any policy based on free market ideas is an American invention
C: Asssuming that America is any different to most other countries. In truth America spends just as much taxpayer $ as a proportion of GDP than any other developed country. If you really want an example of a country that adheres strongly to free market principles, then a better example would be Singapore or Hong Kong.
The US government already taxes more than either Australia or New Zealand does. You guys who imagine that the US is some lassez-faire dystopia simply don't know what you are on about.
Government spending as a percentage of GDP:
And singapore, hong kong are controlling soceities, they have looney policies too
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Agreed.
I still think he should have put in a nicer, but still tough budget, and when it got rejected, called a DD while he could still use the previous government/budget situation and senate obstruction for his benefit.
Now that he's tried to squirm through, he's stuck with it.
On topic though, I'm sure many here thought he was a worse PM from about a week before he was elected.
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God I hate that pathetic little man.
worst PM since i've been able to vote.
those who align themselves to political parties hated howard. but overall he was good at the job. most people without strong political ideals had no problem with howard.
Rudd was basically a * up, he was just an idiot to most people. again unless your a right winger there was no hate for rudd he was just not that good at the job.
Gillard the first of the absolute conniving dog PM's since i've been voting and the reason is she was beholden to the factions. first PM i heard people who didn't care about pollies at all take a genuine dislike.
Abbott worse than gillard. again hardcore political faction a mirror image of gillard she was a leftwing nut job hes a right wing lunatic.
The fact is all political commentators get it wrong about aus, we're not conservatives, we're not liberals either. we are just * off and leave me alone.
pollies that stay in the middle as long as possible such as howard and rudd genuinely have a good run. in fact if it wasn't for labor infighting rudd would have stayed PM, despite his ******* s**t up.
the problem was gillard brought her ideological s**t into the mainstream and people rebelled against so much they stupidly took anything to get away from it. Abbott was that anything, and now we find the cure worse than the disease. there's no debate at this point hell even the polls that were soo often touted around to unseat rudd and gillard show, abbott is a complete and utter catastrophe. worst PM since 2002. a disgrace.
let's see him get that fat ******* triple Chinned hockey out to my local area and tell everyone that poor people don't drive. most people here drive further to get to and from work then the pizzahut delivery drivers banking up on parliament drive anytime Gustav, stops by.
those who align themselves to political parties hated howard. but overall he was good at the job. most people without strong political ideals had no problem with howard.
Rudd was basically a * up, he was just an idiot to most people. again unless your a right winger there was no hate for rudd he was just not that good at the job.
Gillard the first of the absolute conniving dog PM's since i've been voting and the reason is she was beholden to the factions. first PM i heard people who didn't care about pollies at all take a genuine dislike.
Abbott worse than gillard. again hardcore political faction a mirror image of gillard she was a leftwing nut job hes a right wing lunatic.
The fact is all political commentators get it wrong about aus, we're not conservatives, we're not liberals either. we are just * off and leave me alone.
pollies that stay in the middle as long as possible such as howard and rudd genuinely have a good run. in fact if it wasn't for labor infighting rudd would have stayed PM, despite his ******* s**t up.
the problem was gillard brought her ideological s**t into the mainstream and people rebelled against so much they stupidly took anything to get away from it. Abbott was that anything, and now we find the cure worse than the disease. there's no debate at this point hell even the polls that were soo often touted around to unseat rudd and gillard show, abbott is a complete and utter catastrophe. worst PM since 2002. a disgrace.
let's see him get that fat ******* triple Chinned hockey out to my local area and tell everyone that poor people don't drive. most people here drive further to get to and from work then the pizzahut delivery drivers banking up on parliament drive anytime Gustav, stops by.
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They were in a winning position before the election.the "promises were to cynically improve the election result in terms of seats to help extend to two terms despite probably knowing the promises would be soon broken.
But then the others would do the same and cynically reinstalled rudd to shore up the vote in certain areas, knowing victorians wouldnt spit it over gillard being dumped like queenslanders did with rudd.
Still think they should have gone straight to shorten. With a guarantee to shorten he wouldnt be dumped
Ps I dont get the critique of Gillard being idelogical. She didnt flinch on gay marriage. Her pet subject is education and she implemented stuff the libs have been whining about for decades but were too lazy to attempt Ie public information on schools performance on a website, supported chaplaincy
The only thing you can really link is carbon tax, but both rudd annd turnbull were for implementing a carbon price and she basically had to negosiate that with the greens to keep power. A chance that abbot was also extended
But then the others would do the same and cynically reinstalled rudd to shore up the vote in certain areas, knowing victorians wouldnt spit it over gillard being dumped like queenslanders did with rudd.
Still think they should have gone straight to shorten. With a guarantee to shorten he wouldnt be dumped
Ps I dont get the critique of Gillard being idelogical. She didnt flinch on gay marriage. Her pet subject is education and she implemented stuff the libs have been whining about for decades but were too lazy to attempt Ie public information on schools performance on a website, supported chaplaincy
The only thing you can really link is carbon tax, but both rudd annd turnbull were for implementing a carbon price and she basically had to negosiate that with the greens to keep power. A chance that abbot was also extended
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Forced haircuts ? Nanny state on steriods ?
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There was a fair bit of hate for Rudd among the people unlucky enough to work for him, which is the main reason he got dumped. He had no supporters among the labor party because he was extremely disliked amongst his own party, despite being reasonably popular with the public.
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Again with the right-wing nutjob stuff....what nutty right-wing policies has Abbott enacted?
So far the biggest criticisms of him has been his terrible budget. But it was considered terrible because it raised taxes and still didn't balance the budget, which is kind of the opposite of what a right-wing nutjob might do.
Do the people who detest Abbott have any reasons for that hatred which aren't completely made up? Because right-wing nutjob he ain't. In fact, if Abbott does get rolled by his own party, it will be because of his insistence on 2 massive left-wing policies: Paid Parental Leave and Direct Action.
Abbott makes Jules look a class act. Even Rudd bearable.
As a disclaimer, I've always thought the Mad Monk was a treacherous, mendacious individual. Those being his good points.
As a disclaimer, I've always thought the Mad Monk was a treacherous, mendacious individual. Those being his good points.
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Well you've done nothing but bitch & moan through the various threads for a year or two.
Maybe you should start the move towards less whinging on BF?
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