History Holocaust exaggerated?

Were the casualtie numbers exaggerated?

  • Yes it happened but not as many as made out

    Votes: 15 29.4%
  • No, I believe the accepted number

    Votes: 36 70.6%

  • Total voters
    51

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Fuzzy Wuzzy Bear

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First of, I hate hitler, and what he did was evil. But do you think its possible the numbers of Jews murdered are real.

Is it possible it was exaggerated to further their interests?

I found this on a website:

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Jews are pretty good liars most of the time, but they tell so many lies they are bound to trip themselves up sometimes. Their exaggerations, half-truths, and outright inventions about the so- called "Holocaust," easily the most lied-about topic ever, are a good example

Unfortunately, many patriots fail to counter the Jews' "Holocaust" lies effectively; instead they let themselves be lured into the semantic trap of "Holocaust denial." That is, they tacitly accept the Jews' rules of debate. The first of those rules is that one must either accept or reject the "Holocaust" mythology as a whole: no quibbling over details permitted. If one does not accept without question or quibble the magical number of "six million" Jews who were led into gas chambers disguised as shower houses and given a faceful of Zyklon-B instead of hot water when they turned on the faucet, for example, one is a "Holocaust denier," who believes that the "Holocaust" is entirely fictitious, and the German government treated Jews just like everyone else during the Second World War. That, of course, is an impossible position to defend.

The "Holocaust" myth, as mentioned above, is a structure built of lies, exaggerations, and half- truths, and the way to discredit it is to subject these individual building blocks -- the details -- to critical scrutiny.

To be specific, the August 10, 1994, issue of The Christian Science Monitor carried an article (page 12) by Jewess Linda Joffee about growing anti-Semitism in Germany and the efforts of the Jews and their collaborators to combat it. Under the heading "Growing Anti-Semitism Concerns German Jews," Ms. Joffee writes:

"About 560,000 Jews lived in Germany when the Nazis came to power in 1933. Almost all died in the Holocaust. There are about 50,000 Jews in Germany today."

The first sentence in Ms. Joffee's statement is true. The second sentence is a bald-faced lie. Fortunately, it can easily be shown as such by anyone with access to a library which carries books with world demographic data for the last 60 years or so.

The truth of the matter is that as soon as a National Socialist government was elected in Germany in 1933, the Germans began working hard to persuade Jews to emigrate. They did this by enacting legislation which progressively excluded Jews from one sector of German life after another. Jews were not permitted to teach in Germany, except in Jewish schools; they were not permitted to publish newspapers, magazines, or books, except those published specifically for Jews; they were banned from the practice of medicine (except the treating of Jewish patients) and law; and they were excluded from many areas of trade and industry, especially from those businesses requiring a government license.

This legislation was not motivated by petty spite or by economic considerations, but by a determination to free Germany from Jewish influence. When the National Socialists came to power in 1933, Jews were vastly over-represented in the media, in teaching, and in the legal and medical professions. For example, 42 per cent of the physicians practicing in Berlin in 1933 were Jews, as were 48 per cent of the attorneys. To the National Socialists this was an intolerable situation, and they set about remedying it in a typically thorough and efficient manner.

The Jews screamed bloody murder about the National Socialist campaign to take Germany away from them and give it back to the German people. As early as 1934 Jews around the world declared an economic boycott of Germany in retaliation. As it became apparent to them, however, that Adolf Hitler was the most popular leader Germany had ever had, that the National Socialists could neither be bought off nor voted out of office, and that there really was no future for Jews in Germany, they began to look for easier pickings elsewhere. The great majority of them eventually emigrated.

By the time the Second World War began in September 1939 there were only about 200,000 Jews left in Germany, and a number of them succeeded in leaving after that.

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I believe the holocaust happened, but is it possible not as many as what is accepted?
 
That article makes it sound as if only the Jews were targeted by the Nazi's. That is untrue as the mentally ill, gypsies, homosexuals and other minorities were also targets.
 

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Alright before people go thinking the wrong thing I bought it up because my grandfather told me back in the eighties a couple of his Jewish mates he made friends with told him the number wasnt that big although it was substantial.

Was just throwing it out there to see if people agreed.
 
"Let's nuke the middle east" might have made it to "question time" fuzzy.

But like that great World War 2 movie "A Bridge To Far"

I think that sums up your over "shock" with bugger all "jock" to this misguided attempt at hitting the Big Footy headlines.
 
Alright before people go thinking the wrong thing I bought it up because my grandfather told me back in the eighties a couple of his Jewish mates he made friends with told him the number wasnt that big although it was substantial.

Was just throwing it out there to see if people agreed.

Does this mean that the actual number is a closely guarded secret available only to Jews?
 
That article makes it sound as if only the Jews were targeted by the Nazi's. That is untrue as the mentally ill, gypsies, homosexuals and other minorities were also targets.
The great purge is far worse then the Holocaust, its just the Jews dont want to let anybody forget about it. 7 million people died in the purge, although i doubt that would be the official number.
 
I just question why people go along with the numbers and media without question, instead of looking into it.

Think of the possibility the Jews use the numbers to help themselves. It worked with usas help in the 6 day war with the defeat of the jordan, syria etc and now with palestine.
 
Does this mean that the actual number is a closely guarded secret available only to Jews?

Yeah they sort it out each month at their international jewish conspiracy meet. FWB's grandfather's jewish friend probably got into serious trouble for stepping out of line. :rolleyes:

For what its worth, I wouldn't be shocked if the accepted number was off- when something so demonstrably appalling has happened, it becomes a rather difficult topic for research unemotionally.

The obvious question, though, is who cares? If it was 5 million or 6 million murders, what does that change exactly. It was still one of the darkest moments in human history, and the perfect illustration of why no civilised society can ever again ethically condone racism.

Its not really a topic its possible to perform serious research on, because most people who want to discuss it are obvious bigots like the OP.

I mean, seriously-

"Jews are pretty good liars most of the time, but they tell so many lies they are bound to trip themselves up sometimes.

"is legislation was not motivated by petty spite or by economic considerations, but by a determination to free Germany from Jewish influence.... To the National Socialists this was an intolerable situation, and they set about remedying it in a typically thorough and efficient manner.The Jews screamed bloody murder about the National Socialist campaign to take Germany away from them and give it back to the German people."

The bloke who wrote that was short of a few chromosomes.
 

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I just question why people go along with the numbers and media without question, instead of looking into it.

Think of the possibility the Jews use the numbers to help themselves. It worked with usas help in the 6 day war with the defeat of the jordan, syria etc and now with palestine.

It may be a legit question but you are either real slow or trying to incite hatred of Jews with the way you go about it. I personally don't think it would matter that much if it was "only" 3 million.
 
Lets ignore the OP as a bunch of cobblers, but as a matter of interest where did the figures for people murdered by Nazis come from? Nazi records?

Raul Hilberg who wrote 'The Destruction of the European Jews' came up with the number 5.1 million & he got those from German records. The Germans were very meticulous record keepers so i guess he had a lot to work with.

I had a poke around the net & the figure varies from source to source though i guess the most common number specified is of course 6 million.
 
Raul Hilberg who wrote 'The Destruction of the European Jews' came up with the number 5.1 million & he got those from German records. The Germans were very meticulous record keepers so i guess he had a lot to work with.

Yet, David Irving did the exact same thing and came up with a totally different number.

Who had the agenda, Hilberg or Irving?
 
Did six million Jews die, almost certainly not. The 6 million figure has high symbolism in Jewish history. But does it matter? Certainly not. The Jewish people of Europe as with the population of the planet, were pawns in a battle between world power and their government proxies. The enemies of European Jews included Zionist Jews.
 
Raul Hilberg who wrote 'The Destruction of the European Jews' came up with the number 5.1 million & he got those from German records. The Germans were very meticulous record keepers so i guess he had a lot to work with.

I had a poke around the net & the figure varies from source to source though i guess the most common number specified is of course 6 million.
... and that is just the Jewish tally of murder victims. 11 million seems to be a common overall consensus, although large numbers of the gypsy population were semi-nomadic so it is difficult to calculate with any certainty.
 
Yet, David Irving did the exact same thing and came up with a totally different number.

Who had the agenda, Hilberg or Irving?

I don't know how many Irving believed died ... How many did he reckon?

I don't know enough about Hillberg & haven't read his books .. But i am a bit wary about Irving (for the obvious well known reasons) , though he does have a nice style of writing. I read parts of the early edition of Hitler's War (though i believe this differs quite a bit from the later revised version).
 
And a large percentage of Stalin's henchmen were Jewish.

It was a custom in Russia to kill Jews whenever something went wrong, drought etc.

Stalin continued this tradition. I read somewhere that he killed nearly 50 million people over his reign. What a douche.

BTW in regards to the topic. I sometimes wonder how 6 million people can be killed because of their religion. That seems very hard for me to comprehend. So I think the number may be fudged a bit.
 
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