How much of Buddys 10 mill have the Swans already recouped?

[Westy Bogan]

Over the weekend it was reported the Swans collected an extra 200k in ticket sales for the Port game they did not count on. That was just 1 game? Add in Memberships and jumper sales Swans may have already recouped 1 million?

Nic Nat will end up being a bargain as well IMO even if he continues to be average on the field and a big reason I always thought the Dees should have snapped him up even if they thought Watts would have been better.

Of course we chose Scully to overpay.


Are AFL teams now understanding the value of Franchise Players like in the US?

Who will be the next franchise player? Who will be paid OVERS because of their value on and off the field?

Fyfe is looking like a target. Jeremy Cameron for sure. Wingard looks the part.

who?

 

[PenAndPaper]

Over the weekend it was reported the Swans collected an extra 200k in ticket sales for the Port game they did not count on. That was just 1 game? Add in Memberships and jumper sales Swans may have already recouped 1 million?

Nic Nat will end up being a bargain as well IMO even if he continues to be average on the field and a big reason I always thought the Dees should have snapped him up even if they thought Watts would have been better.

Of course we chose Scully to overpay.


Are AFL teams now understanding the value of Franchise Players like in the US?

Who will be the next franchise player? Who will be paid OVERS because of their value on and off the field?

Fyfe is looking like a target. Jeremy Cameron for sure. Wingard looks the part.

who?

Those three and Franklin are actually pretty damn good footballers. So wouldn't exactly call them franchise players. Natanui is a barely above average footballer. That is more the franchise type player, not a gun but someone who rakes in the crowds for their personality on the field

 

[BluesMan]

Where was it reported they earnt the extra 200k unexpectingly? Not having a go, just want to know.

 

[saintkildaman]

If I was starting a franchise I'd personally want Taylor Walker.

 

[Aussie Rocker]

1v3 will tend to bring in large crowds....

 

[Upgrayedd]

Minus insurance premiums rise it'll work out. $$$ pulling wise it's a no brainer

Hamstringing 1/8th of your cap for a guy who might not play and be on your list for 2 years will be the kicker

 

[WATiger86]

Shaun Hampson /

 

[Watson_my_mind]

Even if they win one flag, the ten million will be worth it. Who cares if they spend a few years out of the eight later on because of it. If you told the Saints or Bulldogs they could win a flag by giving a bloke ten million dollars they would take it. The worth of a premiership is immeasurable. Like would you rather spend 7 years in a row in the top four, not winning a flag, or winning one flag in that time, but only play finals 3 of those years. No brainer.

Having said that, they are nowhere near certainties to win it, but all their cards seem to be lining up right with form, injuries, age etc.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

Minus insurance premiums rise it'll work out. $$$ pulling wise it's a no brainer

Hamstringing 1/8th of your cap for a guy who might not play and be on your list for 2 years will be the kicker

managed it with bradshaw.

 

[I am Jack]

Buddy is controversial, attention grabbing - hence the interest from fans.
But certain characteristics that Buddy embodies can also go in another direction.
While all might be rosey atm, 10 years of Buddy is a long time.

IMO Buddy won't be playing football in 6 years, so let's revisit this thread then.

 

[PenAndPaper]

managed it with bradshaw.

The difference is Bradshaw wasn't on a 9 year contract

 

[Collingwood 4 eternity]

The largest crowd at the SCG before last Saturdays PA match was Locketts 1300th goal game in 1999

The Sydney Swans have won 2 flags between 1999 and 2014

Why does it supposedly take a (franchise player) being a Lockett or a Franklin to draw the biggest crowds at the SCG and not the Sydney teams collectively that had the buliding and ultimately successful seasons in 05 & 12

 

[Sydney Bloods]

The largest crowd at the SCG before last Saturdays PA match was Locketts 1300th goal game in 1999

The Sydney Swans have won 2 flags between 1999 and 2014

Why does it supposedly take a (franchise player) being a Lockett or a Franklin to draw the biggest crowds at the SCG and not the Sydney teams collectively that had the buliding and ultimately successful seasons in 05 & 12

because in the 1999 off season the old hill turned into stands and corporate boxes reducing capacity of the stadium. ignorance of footy outside victoria on these forums is astounding.

 

[estibador]

The largest crowd at the SCG before last Saturdays PA match was Locketts 1300th goal game in 1999

The Sydney Swans have won 2 flags between 1999 and 2014

Why does it supposedly take a (franchise player) being a Lockett or a Franklin to draw the biggest crowds at the SCG and not the Sydney teams collectively that had the buliding and ultimately successful seasons in 05 & 12

Celebrity obsession in Sydney?

 

[Collingwood 4 eternity]

because in the 1999 off season the old hill turned into stands and corporate boxes reducing capacity of the stadium. ignorance of footy outside victoria on these forums is astounding.

The renovations at that end happened after 1999

There was more people at the SCG on Saturday than in 1999

←Round: 10 Venue: S.C.G. Date: Sun, 6-Jun-1999 2:40 PM Attendance: 41280→


http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1999/041619990606.html



←Round: 13 Venue: S.C.G. Date: Sat, 14-Jun-2014 2:10 PM Attendance: 41317→


http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2014/131620140614.html

 

[Sydney Bloods]

The renovations at that end happened after 1999

There was more people at the SCG on Saturday than in 1999

←Round: 10 Venue: S.C.G. Date: Sun, 6-Jun-1999 2:40 PM Attendance: 41280→


http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1999/041619990606.html



←Round: 13 Venue: S.C.G. Date: Sat, 14-Jun-2014 2:10 PM Attendance: 41317→


http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2014/131620140614.html

Dear god, the latest round of Reno's just finished this year increasing capacity back up this time to 48,000.

 

[Westy Bogan]

Buddy is controversial, attention grabbing - hence the interest from fans.
But certain characteristics that Buddy embodies can also go in another direction.
While all might be rosey atm, 10 years of Buddy is a long time.

IMO Buddy won't be playing football in 6 years, so let's revisit this thread then.

In 6 years he may have made the club 20 mill. Wont matter if he is not playing. Thats the point of a franchise player.

 

[I am Jack]

In 6 years he may have made the club 20 mill. Wont matter if he is not playing. Thats the point of a franchise player.

He might make the club 20 mill, but culture is far more important than business.
Freo were a relatively rich club before Lyon came along - but they lacked in culture, which impacted their success.
Sydney is a club built around culture and if Individuals can compromise that culture, then it can bring the house down.

I know Sydney supporters don't want to hear about COLA, but the reality of it is - if COLA is taken away, Sydney could fall quick.
They'll need a good culture to fall back on and retain players. The last things the Swans need is for Buddy to play up.
So given Buddy's track record on playing up, I shall reserve my judgement as to whether this deal is worth it.

 

[Theprofessional]

He might make the club 20 mill, but culture is far more important than business.
Freo were a relatively rich club before Lyon came along - but they lacked in culture, which impacted their success.
Sydney is a club built around culture and if Individuals can compromise that culture, then it can bring the house down.

I know Sydney supporters don't want to hear about COLA, but the reality of it is - if COLA is taken away, Sydney could fall quick.
They'll need a good culture to fall back on and retain players. The last things the Swans need is for Buddy to play up.
So given Buddy's track record on playing up, I shall reserve my judgement as to whether this deal is worth it.

Why?

Take away 20k from Buddy/Tippet's contracts and not a big deal, guessing the others losing less won't matter, especially given it'll be offset by salary cap rise.

Bradshaw got a 4 year big bucks deal, he played about a season and a half and was injured/retired for the rest of it. Off field Buddy deal was always going to be worth it cash wise, on the field we need to win at least one premiership for it to be worth while, salary cap wise it really won't be that big of a deal with the increase coming up.

 

[QPower]

You mean the AFL have recouped?

 

[Bollox]

I dont think people realise just how much benefit the move has already meant for the entire game. Every club benefits from this move in some way whether you like to acknowledge it or not.

Franklin was a massive decision for us and massive risk. Once he had decided he was heading north it became a marketing decision as much as anything...do you allow a marquee player to go to the only opposition in town ?...then perhaps try to prey upon one of their young KPP's like Patton/Cameron/Boyd ? You'd potentially need to pay similar money to get one the GWS KPF's anyway wouldnt you ?..everyone wants them. You go and try to buy Jeremy Cameron right now and see how much it is Be lucky if its anything less than 1.1mill over 6 yrs.... and he hasnt even done much yet. Ok he's younger but will he be the drawcard that is Franklin ? Free agency only promises more marquee player movements into the future.

When Judd moved it was just as huge. AFL wanted him at the Dees. Carlton offering outside deals with Visy to sway him as well as the captaincy. Much to our disdain they signed off on the deal with Pratt....so i understand what it looks like viewed from another club but its all about the player and what he wants.

Noone at that level wants to sit in the doldrums at a bottom 8 club and become just an overpaid ornament. Has Judd repaid the massive risk/investment that Carlton took ? Franklin is certainly more than paying his way at the moment. Proud my club has the balls to make these decisions.

Better off with us than at bloody GWS though....everyone (esp Hawk fans) simply wanted him to go where he'd effectively prove harmless .

 

[ManWithNoName]

Dear god, the latest round of Reno's just finished this year increasing capacity back up this time to 48,000.

In shocking news, the SCG doesn't go to a great deal of effort to publicise it's renovations outside of Sydney.

Seriously, what's with the superior, elitist attitude? Some people outside Sydney haven't been keeping their "Detailed History of the SCG" books up to date. What a shock!

It's a ground people outside Sydney would barely visit. It hosts what, 9 games a year? Settle the * down dude.

 

[ManWithNoName]

if you don't want to be called out don't talk s**t.

So perhaps you could've just informed him, and a great deal many others, of those facts in a helpful way? Rather than "Oh my GOD, you DONT know that 18 corporate boxes and a stand were renovated starting October 18 1999 reducing the capacity by approximately 17%? You're such an IDIOT!"

Wheaton's Law: Don't be a dick.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

The question was never off-field value (controversies aside). Hawthorn had estimated he was worth upwards of 3.5 million a season for his marketing/sales revenue power

How much of that was the player, and how much he was face of the club (eg Rioli estimated at 2 million, now 2.5 in a more prominent role) is up for debate, but there was little doubt that financially the 10 million will be recouped. I think the budgeted profits were tightened by about two million in preperation for his departure.

Integrity of the game as a whole is another issue entirely, but goes far beyond just one (marquee) player.

 

[Pessimistic]

Why worry when theres afl insurance the other clubs pay for. Plus half a season has passed with underwhelming crowds, even when the hawks visited