If I was list manager I would?

[Psicosis]

For the s**t tatts?

Yep, think he will develop into a Darling type, almost certain to leave Sydney, sitting behind Reid, Franklin and Tippett. With our forward line in the current shape it's in, I think we need all the chances we can get, him and Wood could help the issue in the future.

 

[King Corey]

Yep, think he will develop into a Darling type, almost certain to leave Sydney, sitting behind Reid, Franklin and Tippett. With our forward line in the current shape it's in, I think we need all the chances we can get, him and Wood could help the issue in the future.

Strikes me as undersized. Has he been given many games? My memories of him are prdraft.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Strikes me as undersized. Has he been given many games? My memories of him are prdraft.

Much too undersized. Ben Warrenesque imo.

 

[Psicosis]

Strikes me as undersized. Has he been given many games? My memories of him are prdraft.

188cm which is obviously undersized for a KPP but he would be a perfect 3rd target, same size as Corey Jones. Kicked 25 in 7 games in the NEAFL. I think people get suckered in to the whole height thing with forwards. I think it's important to have one big tall in the 195-200 bracket, but after that it doesn't really matter IMO, a guy of Membreys size is going to provide considerably better defensive pressure in the forward 50 then someone at Ben Browns size. He also provides a serious match-up problem for the opposition.

 

[King Corey]

188cm which is obviously undersized for a KPP but he would be a perfect 3rd target, same size as Corey Jones. Kicked 25 in 7 games in the NEAFL. I think people get suckered in to the whole height thing with forwards. I think it's important to have one big tall in the 195-200 bracket, but after that it doesn't really matter IMO, a guy of Membreys size is going to provide considerably better defensive pressure in the forward 50 then someone at Ben Browns size. He also provides a serious match-up problem for the opposition.

Corey was particularly mobile, strong overhead and creative though. Membrey looked to me a more regulation lead up or bully small opponent type rather than a make something from nothing type like CJ.

Not dismissing what you say at all just not what I recall from his junior footage. If your description is accurate you'd imagine a few clubs would be in his ear.

 

[TwentyNine]

Sam Reid , Hoskin-Elliot and Seedsman are players who are attainable for us .

Reid and H-E are both contracted, Seedsman is a lifelong Pies fan. Not sure what your definition of attainable is.

Kristian Jaksch is out of contract and a gun CHB, which is just about our biggest need given Grima's regular injury troubles. Do it North, do it.

 

[deano28]

Reid and H-E are both contracted, Seedsman is a lifelong Pies fan. Not sure what your definition of attainable is.

Kristian Jaksch is out of contract and a gun CHB, which is just about our biggest need given Grima's regular injury troubles. Do it North, do it.

My definition of attainable are players we could realistically get through trade because when people suggest players like Cameron or Boyd they're kidding themselves , we probably don't have anyone that would get the deal done unless its a combination of Ziebell & our 1st pick or something of that nature and that won't happen . Contracts aren't worth the paper they are written on if 2 teams can come to an agreement . I don't think key back is our biggest problem either we need a key forward ( im not talking about fwd / ruck like Daw or Brown ) and outside speed a hell of a lot more than key backs . Also a lockdown small defender wouldnt go astray .What we do have in ubundance is inside mids who we can't fit in the one team Ziebell , Cunnington, swallow , greenwood , Jacobs , dumont we could do without 2 of those especially when guys like Wells , Bastinac , Gibson and McDonald can play inside and outside .

 

[justroyal]

My opinion that brad scott is really strong on his idea about keeping the group together, suggests we wont see the likes of cunnington,atley, macmillian, ziebell and bastinac heading off to other teams

 

[TwentyNine]

My definition of attainable are players we could realistically get through trade because when people suggest players like Cameron or Boyd they're kidding themselves , we probably don't have anyone that would get the deal done unless its a combination of Ziebell & our 1st pick or something of that nature and that won't happen . Contracts aren't worth the paper they are written on if 2 teams can come to an agreement . I don't think key back is our biggest problem either we need a key forward ( im not talking about fwd / ruck like Daw or Brown ) and outside speed a hell of a lot more than key backs . Also a lockdown small defender wouldnt go astray .What we do have in ubundance is inside mids who we can't fit in the one team Ziebell , Cunnington, swallow , greenwood , Jacobs , dumont we could do without 2 of those especially when guys like Wells , Bastinac , Gibson and McDonald can play inside and outside .

We've been playing a single key back most of the season. Our key forwards might not be setting the world on fire, but at least they're fit. We desperately need more depth at the key back position otherwise we're going to get more and more of the Henderson/Waite type domination that we got on Friday night and that's just sad because those guys are spuds.

Plenty of people went after Sam Reid last year after the Swans signed Buddy and they said "he's contracted, not happening". It would be the same for WHE unless we offer up a big deal, and Seedsman won't leave Collingwood unless he's forced out - which he won't be. If anything contracts make it MORE difficult to get a player because you have to actually play decent value for them rather than having them nominate a single club and then pay jack all for them ala every kid who left Brisbane last year.

 

[SnowRoo]

Oh fun, ill have a stab...


Free Agency.
Frawley, 750k a year on a 5 year deal. Front loaded based on new salary cap banking system . If he wont sign for less than 7 years forget it.

Shop or delist.
Anthony, Wilkins, Warren, McMahon, McGenniss. Upgrade of our 3rd to someones 2nd enough to do it.

Delist but keep within club (coach/development).
Grima.

Transfer to Rookie List.
Curran.

Upgrade from rookie list.
Tippett, Turner.

Draft.
1st round - KPP, McCartin, Durdin, Lever, Goddard, Marchbank
2nd round - Best slider most likely undersized with decent skills and speed.

2012 Draftees to look at:
O'Rourke, Jaksch, Clurey, Close, Smith.

2011 Draftees to look at:
Buntine, Mitchell, Kersten (yup im going to keep saying it)

Tradebait:
Sam Wright - Has some value, if offered a 2nd id take it.
Brad McKensie - Feel out the SA clubs, still think he has end of 1st round worth in him.
Daniel Currie - Not sure there would be a lot of interest, good enough to keep as backup.


End Result:
I can see it being a pretty boring off season for us this year. Cant see us being a realistic option for Frawley as the bigger fish may seem more attractive options for him. I dont think there will be wholesale changes or trades and more faith will be shown in the development of the list we have. With the options we would be willing to part with there is limited value at best so i see it as highly unlikely we will be big players come trade time.

As for the who to draft debate, i think its going to divide a lot of us whether to aim for a KPP or outside speed with our 1st. Think we all will agree slow inside mid is the lowest priority right now. Personally im in the KPP camp with KPD being the largest deficency i see on our list, Goddard, Lever, Marchbank being those i think will be around our pick and ill be hoping for.

 

[Saintly31]

He's on $500k pa and playing in the magoos he's not going anywhere

I strongly doubt that.

Sure they have COLA, but it doesn't mean their reserves players are on a half a mil each.

 

[Saintly31]

Frawley is not worth anywhere near 750K - especially for that term.

I would be furious if we payed that much for a very useful but not a star player.

 

[scooby1279]

I strongly doubt that.

Sure they have COLA, but it doesn't mean their reserves players are on a half a mil each.

it is very strong belief that he is closer to the $650,000 wage due to another club wanting him earlier so they paid more to keep him. They were discussing it on SEN few days ago with Grima, he was shocked at the figure and doubted anyone at north would be on that money.

 

[SnowRoo]

Frawley is not worth anywhere near 750K - especially for that term.

I would be furious if we payed that much for a very useful but not a star player.

If he was on our list probably not, but.....

Does he fit a need on our list - YES
Is there other interest - YES Cats, Pies, Hawks.
Will they offer good coin around that mark - Most Likely

Picking up fringe F/A wont take us forward. We only need cream. Of this years list i see Frawley as the cream for us.

Poaching cream as F/A costs $$$ pure and simple.

 

[Saintly31]

If he was on our list probably not, but.....

Does he fit a need on our list - YES
Is there other interest - YES Cats, Pies, Hawks.
Will they offer good coin around that mark - Most Likely

Picking up fringe F/A wont take us forward. We only need cream. Of this years list i see Frawley as the cream for us.

Poaching cream as F/A costs $$$ pure and simple.

I can see where you are coming from, and don't necessarily disagree, but if any club pays 750 for Frawley they can have him. If he does a knee early then it would cripple us, plus I still don't think he is that special.

I'd rather us focus on building the list with quality players on normal sums rather than chase the "high priced" types. (might be easier said than done I admit as to who is available etc)

What do you think Malceski would want if he were to leave Sydney?

 

[Donkey Chop]

I strongly doubt that.

Sure they have COLA, but it doesn't mean their reserves players are on a half a mil each.

Word is He's on more then that.

 

[Harris 10]

I can see where you are coming from, and don't necessarily disagree, but if any club pays 750 for Frawley they can have him. If he does a knee early then it would cripple us, plus I still don't think he is that special.

I'd rather us focus on building the list with quality players on normal sums rather than chase the "high priced" types. (might be easier said than done I admit as to who is available etc)

What do you think Malceski would want if he were to leave Sydney?

from the sound of it, he wants at least 3 years so the money isn't as big as of an issue as the length of contract is.

I'd be going after him, he would add so much to our back half and as i keep saying our time to strike is in the next 2 to 3 years.

 

[Event Horizon]

Frawley is not worth anywhere near 750K - especially for that term.

I would be furious if we payed that much for a very useful but not a star player.

Don't worry. I am 99.9% certain we aren't anywhere in the play for him. I'll be staggered if he doesn't end up at Hawthorn. They have an obvious need for him, and salary cap room from Buddy leaving. And given they are at the top, it'll be an easy sell to Frawley.

 

[Saintly31]

from the sound of it, he wants at least 3 years so the money isn't as big as of an issue as the length of contract is.

I'd be going after him, he would add so much to our back half and as i keep saying our time to strike is in the next 2 to 3 years.

So would I for sure. I rate him highly.

But as per ^^ (as I clearly am not good with going rates of players...ha), what do you think he wants? 450?

If so could we get say Malceski and Tomlinson for the same price as Frawley? (if SnowRoo is correct)

 

[Psicosis]

Corey was particularly mobile, strong overhead and creative though. Membrey looked to me a more regulation lead up or bully small opponent type rather than a make something from nothing type like CJ.

Not dismissing what you say at all just not what I recall from his junior footage. If your description is accurate you'd imagine a few clubs would be in his ear.

He is just one of the many young players from other states I'd hope that our recruiting department is looking at. He will get interest from a few clubs, but will be an easier target then some of the bigger names that have been floated around, and perhaps a lot more realistic.

 

[Harris 10]

So would I for sure. I rate him highly.

But as per ^^ (as I clearly am not good with going rates of players...ha), what do you think he wants? 450?

If so could we get say Malceski and Tomlinson for the same price as Frawley? (if SnowRoo is correct)

3 years at about 380k to 400k would be around the asking price I would think

 

[Saintly31]

I'll also say that thinking we could get a 1st rounder for McKenzie is very wishful thinking.

3rd rounder at best.

In fact I would trade him for a 2nd rounder.

 

[Dodecahedron]

I would talk to psychologists and HR recruitment specialists to identify key indicators of both natural and overt leadership. Then I would seek out a 19 year old, a 22 year old and a "Recycled player" who fit the bill. Don't care who. Don't care where from. Don't care what position they play. This way we'd introduce rolling leadership for the next 10 years whether they're captain or not.

 

[muttley45]

Malceski is a good player, and playing well this year, but, he is no spring chicken, and 1 awkward twist / knock to the knee away from game over, a risky long term investment.

 

[justroyal]

Much too undersized. Ben Warrenesque imo.

Abort idea asap. Visions of port game flashing back