Is this the end of the Greens?

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romeohwho said:
Di Natale and his team will make the Greens more relevant to a wider cross section of society. Pragmatic with a good understanding of people and recognizes the need to show that the Greens are more than just the environment
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Bob Brown shifted the focus away from just the environment.
 
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carloss said:
Bob Brown shifted the focus away from just the environment.
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Yep agree but the message hasn't reached everyone-lots of people have compromised and entrenched views about the Greens and think they have one policy/are one dimensional- and I reckon this new team can make the multi-dimensional nature of their message more accessible.
 
romeohwho said:
Yep agree but the message hasn't reached everyone-lots of people have compromised and entrenched views about the Greens and think they have one policy/are one dimensional- and I reckon this new team can make that message more accessible.
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I think this has been Milne's big success. Winning Prahran in Victoria and then Ballina in NSW, and almost getting Lismore, shows how the party's able to get widespread support if their policy issues resonate. Although there's some natural green voters in those electorates they're not the left wing inner city areas that have typically been the Greens base. During her time they've matured from a protest party to a party that can attract enough concentrated support to win lower house seats at state and federal level.
 
Overall I think Di Natale is the best person they could've chosen. Bandt is adored by inner-city Greens but he's everything that the mainstream hates about the party. Ludlam's great but I think leadership might be a bit constraining to him. It's pretty hard to dislike Di Natale given his background and that he's generally very measured.

Bandt will be pissed but there's not much he can do. I also don't see how he can really generate any real leadership speculation without a massive plummet in the polls which is highly unlikely. It's not like Milne was popular after all.
 
Lebbo73 said:
You are a funny man. Please tell us again how humans are supposedly causing climate change? I am tired and need a good bedtime story! ;)
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even if we accept that climate change isn't a major issue, just for the sake of argument, that doesn't detract at all away from the fact we live beyond our means in an idiotic, perpetual growth based economy....
 
radiojake said:
even if we accept that climate change isn't a major issue, just for the sake of argument, that doesn't detract at all away from the fact we live beyond our means in an idiotic, perpetual growth based economy....
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Scientific consensus isn't going to convince those who have made their mind up on the issue; posting on a football forum sure as hell won't make a difference to the anti-science crew.
 
Todman said:
Are you suggesting that the Greens will continue to whittle away the Centre-Left vote that currently goes to the ALP?
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To me Labor are no longer Centre-Left they are very much Centre. They have lurched to the Right over the last 7-8 years (arguably it has been a longer process than that, going back to Hawke/Keating).

The Greens are the only true Left party in parliament. It is just natural for anyone with Left leanings to start being attracted to the Greens.

The more I think about the choice of Di Natale the more I think he is the best choice.
 

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Mofra said:
Scientific consensus isn't going to convince those who have made their mind up on the issue; posting on a football forum sure as hell won't make a difference to the anti-science crew.
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it is strange to me that Climate Change skepticism is a Conservative phenomemon. I can understand neo-liberals not wanting to interfere with Oil, Coal or Mining trans national companies even if it destroys the planet. But if Conservativism is sticking with what works - what has contributed more to the prosperity of the West than science and the scientific method and relying on specialists? Now we have fookwits like Bolt having the audacity of questioning people who have devoted their lives to studying these things - I think is ******* weir
 
Contra Mundum said:
it is strange to me that Climate Change skepticism is a Conservative phenomemon. I can understand neo-liberals not wanting to interfere with Oil, Coal or Mining trans national companies even if it destroys the planet. But if Conservativism is sticking with what works - what has contributed more to the prosperity of the West than science and the scientific method and relying on specialists? Now we have fookwits like Bolt having the audacity of questioning people who have devoted their lives to studying these things - I think is ******* weir
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When all the climate models are wrong, and none can explain why theres being 18 years of no warming people are rightly skeptical. The science isn't settled as the believers were saying 20 years ago, it continues to evolve as man learns more.
 
Todman said:
When all the climate models are wrong, and none can explain why theres being 18 years of no warming people are rightly skeptical. The science isn't settled as the believers were saying 20 years ago, it continues to evolve as man learns more.
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What is your authority for the models being "wrong" - please don't quote the Cato Institute or the Rand Corporation - how as a layperson can you attest that they are "wrong" and what is your qualification for doing so?
 
Contra Mundum said:
What is your authority for the models being "wrong" - please don't quote the Cato Institute or the Rand Corporation - how as a layperson can you attest that they are "wrong" and what is your qualification for doing so?
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you wont get engagement from the likes of Todman on this. It will just be recycled ad nauseum no matter how fallacious they are shown to be
 
not a warmonger said:
you wont get engagement from the likes of Todman on this. It will just be recycled ad nauseum no matter how fallacious they are shown to be
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WM - I know I have entered the feedback loop with our friend Lebbo a few times
 
Showbags said:
To me Labor are no longer Centre-Left they are very much Centre. They have lurched to the Right over the last 7-8 years (arguably it has been a longer process than that, going back to Hawke/Keating).

The Greens are the only true Left party in parliament. It is just natural for anyone with Left leanings to start being attracted to the Greens.

The more I think about the choice of Di Natale the more I think he is the best choice.
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Please explain how the Labor party didn't move further to the Left under Gillard? I need a good chuckle!
 
Lebbo73 said:
Fail. Shot down. No comeback as usual. You have been shown up for what you are WM!
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no need. Just mentioning Bod Tisdale good enough to end the conversation. Can anybody directly reference the scientific instituitions that collate this data?? Or are they too conspiratorial for you Lebbo??
 
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