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Israel, Palestine, and everything related
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Go look at some images of the tel aviv/Jerusalem skylines and tell me they're the same as that picture.
well considering the Leonardo tower isn't in tel aviv that would be a bit hard but since you asked:
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I was born and grew up in Haifa, there will be never peace while there are religious extremists Hamas and Zionists, the solution is secular Palestinian state where Jews and Arabs have equal rights, right of return for Palestinian refugees and stopping the building of illegal settlements,
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Netanyahu warns of 'grave mistake' if France recognises Palestine
http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-...e-if-france-recognises-palestine-2014-11?IR=T
© AFP Gil Cohen MagenIsraeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warns France it would be making a "grave mistake" its parliament votes to recognise a Palestinian state
Jerusalem (AFP) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned Sunday that France's parliament would be making a "grave mistake" if it recognises a Palestinian state in a vote on December 2.
"Do they have nothing better to do at a time of beheadings across the Middle East, including that of a French citizen?" he told reporters in Jerusalem, referring to hiker Herve Gourdel who was executed by his jihadist captors in Algeria in September.
"Recognition of a Palestinian state by France would be a grave mistake," Netanyahu said.
"The State of Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people, the only state that we have, and the Palestinians demanding a state do not want to recognise the right to have a state for the Jewish people," Netanyahu told members of Israel's growing Jewish community from France.
His comments came just hours after his cabinet voted 14-6 in favour of a controversial proposal to anchor in law Israel's status as "the national homeland of the Jewish people".
France's plans for a non-binding but highly symbolic vote follows similar resolutions passed by the British and Spanish parliaments, and an official decision to recognise Palestine by the Swedish government.
Sweden's move infuriated Israel which responded by recalling its ambassador to Stockholm.
A draft of the proposal in France "invites the French government to use the recognition of the state of Palestine as an instrument to gain a definitive resolution of the conflict".
European leaders have shown signs of mounting impatience with Israel over its continued settlement-building on Palestinian land.
Criticism has become more focused in the wake of this summer's 50-day offensive by the Israeli army in Gaza that killed about 2,200 Palestinians and dozens of Israelis.
The French parliamentary vote follows a similar resolution to "recognise the state of Palestine alongside the state of Israel as a contribution to securing a negotiated two-state solution" approved by British lawmakers on October 13.
The Palestinian Authority estimates that 135 countries have now recognised Palestine as a state, although the number is disputed and several recognitions by what are now European Union member states date back to the Soviet era.
France was among 14 EU nations which voted in favour of granting Palestinian territories observer status at the United Nations in November 2012.
http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-...e-if-france-recognises-palestine-2014-11?IR=T
© AFP Gil Cohen MagenIsraeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warns France it would be making a "grave mistake" its parliament votes to recognise a Palestinian state
Jerusalem (AFP) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned Sunday that France's parliament would be making a "grave mistake" if it recognises a Palestinian state in a vote on December 2.
"Do they have nothing better to do at a time of beheadings across the Middle East, including that of a French citizen?" he told reporters in Jerusalem, referring to hiker Herve Gourdel who was executed by his jihadist captors in Algeria in September.
"Recognition of a Palestinian state by France would be a grave mistake," Netanyahu said.
"The State of Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people, the only state that we have, and the Palestinians demanding a state do not want to recognise the right to have a state for the Jewish people," Netanyahu told members of Israel's growing Jewish community from France.
His comments came just hours after his cabinet voted 14-6 in favour of a controversial proposal to anchor in law Israel's status as "the national homeland of the Jewish people".
France's plans for a non-binding but highly symbolic vote follows similar resolutions passed by the British and Spanish parliaments, and an official decision to recognise Palestine by the Swedish government.
Sweden's move infuriated Israel which responded by recalling its ambassador to Stockholm.
A draft of the proposal in France "invites the French government to use the recognition of the state of Palestine as an instrument to gain a definitive resolution of the conflict".
European leaders have shown signs of mounting impatience with Israel over its continued settlement-building on Palestinian land.
Criticism has become more focused in the wake of this summer's 50-day offensive by the Israeli army in Gaza that killed about 2,200 Palestinians and dozens of Israelis.
The French parliamentary vote follows a similar resolution to "recognise the state of Palestine alongside the state of Israel as a contribution to securing a negotiated two-state solution" approved by British lawmakers on October 13.
The Palestinian Authority estimates that 135 countries have now recognised Palestine as a state, although the number is disputed and several recognitions by what are now European Union member states date back to the Soviet era.
France was among 14 EU nations which voted in favour of granting Palestinian territories observer status at the United Nations in November 2012.
France has made their own bed. They've tried to pander to the Arab countries for years
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It's a tricky proposition statehood for Palestine with the issues of state recognition and how it affects the statehood of Israel.
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Statehood driven by both sides on racial division and thus racism.
Disgraceful!
France and the world should be demanding equal rights rather than division.
#racismisnotok
Disgraceful!
France and the world should be demanding equal rights rather than division.
#racismisnotok
It's not in Israel's strategic or economic interest for there to be peace in the Middle East. It's why they always cause disruption when there's even the remotest chance of it happening. The PM who was making real progress in that respect was assassinated by one of their own.
The only way peace will eventuate in that region is for the US to cease or substantially reduce economic support in order to concentrate the minds of the Israelis. That ain't gunna happen cos the Zionist lobby, though relatively small, is enormously powerful. And not only in the US.
The only way peace will eventuate in that region is for the US to cease or substantially reduce economic support in order to concentrate the minds of the Israelis. That ain't gunna happen cos the Zionist lobby, though relatively small, is enormously powerful. And not only in the US.
It is in everyone's interest to have Israel there and help it defend its borders. It is the only democracy in the Middle East
Netanyahu warns of 'grave mistake' if France recognises Palestine
http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-...e-if-france-recognises-palestine-2014-11?IR=T
© AFP Gil Cohen MagenIsraeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warns France it would be making a "grave mistake" its parliament votes to recognise a Palestinian state
Jerusalem (AFP) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned Sunday that France's parliament would be making a "grave mistake" if it recognises a Palestinian state in a vote on December 2.
"Do they have nothing better to do at a time of beheadings across the Middle East, including that of a French citizen?" he told reporters in Jerusalem, referring to hiker Herve Gourdel who was executed by his jihadist captors in Algeria in September.
"Recognition of a Palestinian state by France would be a grave mistake," Netanyahu said.
"The State of Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people, the only state that we have, and the Palestinians demanding a state do not want to recognise the right to have a state for the Jewish people," Netanyahu told members of Israel's growing Jewish community from France.
His comments came just hours after his cabinet voted 14-6 in favour of a controversial proposal to anchor in law Israel's status as "the national homeland of the Jewish people".
France's plans for a non-binding but highly symbolic vote follows similar resolutions passed by the British and Spanish parliaments, and an official decision to recognise Palestine by the Swedish government.
Sweden's move infuriated Israel which responded by recalling its ambassador to Stockholm.
A draft of the proposal in France "invites the French government to use the recognition of the state of Palestine as an instrument to gain a definitive resolution of the conflict".
European leaders have shown signs of mounting impatience with Israel over its continued settlement-building on Palestinian land.
Criticism has become more focused in the wake of this summer's 50-day offensive by the Israeli army in Gaza that killed about 2,200 Palestinians and dozens of Israelis.
The French parliamentary vote follows a similar resolution to "recognise the state of Palestine alongside the state of Israel as a contribution to securing a negotiated two-state solution" approved by British lawmakers on October 13.
The Palestinian Authority estimates that 135 countries have now recognised Palestine as a state, although the number is disputed and several recognitions by what are now European Union member states date back to the Soviet era.
France was among 14 EU nations which voted in favour of granting Palestinian territories observer status at the United Nations in November 2012.
He's wrong , this is the place where reconciliation begins , Israel and Palestine having the courage to agree. That's all . Life is too short to fight the whole lot of it. Compromise. ISIS and Al Qaeda are results of control politics by a massive military power moving in the wrong direction, we need three powers China and Russia and the USA , to put the last 25 years of out of control, back to where it should be , with the super powers back again holding their satellites in check.
I understand that Palestine also has an obligation to create peace with no payback for anything ever again. Maybe we can turn the world back to some kind of reason. This should be the beginning, Netanyahu is a serious problem , dogmatic and tunnel visioned as well, he is a provocateur, while his aggravating angry attitude to Palestine festers in him things won't change , he must go!
Probably right, so what do you do with a place that behaves like Nazis, even though victims in the past , now steal land and don't stop. If Netanyahu had his way he would blitzkrieg the Gaza Strip into the sea. Israel re birth was a mistake done the wrong way. The world now suffers because of how iy was done.
The west is to blame, after WW2 they made a big fat mistake, but Hitler put the icing on the cake , his persecution of the Jewish people gave everyone a massive guilt complex and so the war winners said we'll give them a home back where they come from. But others had made it home and their land for 2000 thousand years, it doesn't work, it didn't work and it ain't working, because there is another round of persecution of a people happening again. The persecuted have become the persecutors. Star of David instead of a Swastika, now that is tragedy in the extreme!
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It made absolute perfect sense to establish Israel post WW2, given Hitler and every other country that persecuted the jews including the UK.
The basis of setting up a nation along the lines of race now seems pretty silly these days in the western world but what is done is done. We can't reverse that decision sensibly and creating another nation based on race is hardly a step forward either.
The world should lobby Israel to promote peace, equality and harmony. This will take generations to deliver real and lasting positive outcomes but any other solution is a step backwards.
So many things wrong with this
It is Israel who are showing restraint. If they wanted to, they would have wiped out the Palestinians years ago.
Also Jews have lived in that land for at least the last 2000 years and actually well before that
Not to mention how ridiculous it is comparing Israel to the Nazis. FFS, Get a grip
Oh, how benelovant of them to not wipe them out as they systematically take Palestinian land one settler at a time...
It's a messy situation but you can't absolve Israel of responsibility
If you think 2000 year old claims to land are valid, what is your take on Australian Aboriginal Sovereignty?
I agree , but as I've said before , it is Israel that has the power and is the side that seriously has to start the process. The process would begin by them not establishing new settlements where they shouldn't be.
Some times I think all the problems of the 20th century after WW2 and into the 21st century with Al Qaeda and ISIS has its basis in this disputed land , even more than the exploitation of oil by the West and by the extraordinarily wealthy Arab Oil Lords, the rest have been left in a hole.
But when you carry the biggest stick , the most devastating weapon , you , if you have scrupples should be behaving benevolently and there should be a Palestinian sovereign state established already.
Only Israel can absolutely make that happen, they have to create a situation of forward movement that ends the Palestinian fighters needs to keep sending rockets , your right nothing can change what is now, but only Israel can make it better, with Netanyahu there's buggar all hope!
I see you've already been spoken to about your comment. But you missed every little point that has been made. You misinterpret all thats going on in that place.
So Israel could have wiped Palestine off the earth hey? What has that got to do with restraint , Hitler persecuted people , Israel is doing it now , they still develop settlements where they should not. They show no restraint, and they would love to drive Gaza into the sea.
They still have no absolute right to that land at all, any more than the other Arabic peoples have, yet two thousand years of being developing or changing in other lands around the world , have seen them "come back???" to what they say is theirs. Well the Palestinians say that too. Its theirs. But they don't have a way of stopping this invasion , they don't have the military power.
Also remember this , all these different tribes from before biblical times and before the Romans turned up before Islam or Christians were all peoples of that area. They were dare I say it all somewhat of Arabic descent ( is that Semitic?? , do you know? ) with a bit of Philistine in them , from then to now , ALL THOSE PEOPLE OF THAT BACKGROUND OR RELIGION (S) ARE OF THAT PLACE.
No single tribal set from that time has any more right to that land than the others who were then from 2 to 5 thousand years ago.
So Israel homeland is a mis truth, why in the name of heaven and hell would you allow a new group of people to swarm into a land, and by force say this land is my land .
If it wasn't for Zionistic return to the womb type of thinking from yes , you guessed it religion , the Jews could have made a nation here in Australia .
Too late we have massive middle eastern conflict. The birth place of civilisation the M/E is one huge F/up
and the West and a super nationalistic bully called Israel have a hell of a lot to answer for.
I hate what has been created in the Arabic nations there, with the Islamic religion being butchered by idiot jihadists, but everyone has something to be blamed for . Everyone! Lets destroy these Islamic nut cases then we can maybe over the next hundred years bring the middle east into the modern era.
We could start with Israel compromising a bit. Don't make any more silly comments!
Just that Palestinians have a right to a State and freedom and no persecution . Doesn't matter from who they deserve this right.
Do you think they deserve freedom? no persecution? and a sovereign state? forget Israel.
What would you do? Yep You ? With all the answers.
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New settlements where they shouldn't be? Israel is a nation and has sovereignty over the land.
That includes the land the arabs lost when they were defeated after attacking Israel.
but yes, Israel should focus on equality and invest heavily in this concept
Israel took the land they call Israel , in 1948 /9 didn't they? After defeating the Arabs and claiming they had the right to the land ,. to me they didn't , Israel was a created state, and now behaves like Palestinians are nothing, I am far far from being anti Semitic , but I sure don't feel comfortable about Israel.
Now, in 1967 Israel actually started the 6 day war because they had intelligence saying they were going to be attacked, whether that intelligence was planted by a certain cold war country, who knows? No not the Yanks, but Israel attacked and nearly wiped the Syrian and maybe the Egyptian air forces out on the ground, a bit Pearl Harbourish for me.
I don't pretend to know about any of this except for what I've read and watched over the decades, but the Palestinians were forced to give up there land, by force , and by terror employed by Israeli fighters ( freedom???????) at the time.
But I could be totally wrong.
