Jed Adcock and Brisbane Lions Part Ways

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CarterS said:
I hope the young blokes don't look at this and think, "Why should I show this club any loyalty when this is how they treat a former captain and 200+ gamer?" We are trying to build a team for the future, clearly, but we are also trying to build a culture and I'm not sure this is the best move for that. Jed has been a great captain through one of the toughest periods the club will ever see. Vossy did a similar thing (apologies if I am missing any differences in the circumstances) with Luke Power and Bradshaw and years later it still doesn't feel right. I would have liked to have seen him get an extension of a year or two.
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What were we supposed to do?

He came to us and we told him he couldnt be guaranteed a game. Should we have lied to him and then just plonked him in the 2's next season.
 
a mayes ing said:
What were we supposed to do?

He came to us and we told him he couldnt be guaranteed a game. Should we have lied to him and then just plonked him in the 2's next season.
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There's more to it than that. Jed wouldn't have expected to be guaranteed a spot in the seniors each week.

It's the whole "youth path". We were going to favour the kids ahead of him.
 

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jackess said:
There's more to it than that. Jed wouldn't have expected to be guaranteed a spot in the seniors each week.

It's the whole "youth path". We were going to favour the kids ahead of him.
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I would have thought he would get the 1st couple of games in 2016 then he probably wouldnt get a game because the kids would have overtaken him.

This is the natural cycle of a football club, if a kid is producing better football than you then they take your spot.

Still not sure what you would have done instead?
 
a mayes ing said:
What were we supposed to do?

He came to us and we told him he couldnt be guaranteed a game. Should we have lied to him and then just plonked him in the 2's next season.
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That is a bit simplistic - couldn't be guaranteed a game is code for you will be playing in the reserve unless there are significant injuries.

Jed has had one poor year after years of loyalty / good service to the Club. I thought he was really good last year playing a very underrated onfield coaching / sweeping role in defence.

He is value on field with his experience is still a fair bit in front of yet another young player. I have never believed that a club should go an extreme version of the youth push. You end up losing almost every week and being uncompetitive most of the time - how does that help development?

It is no coincidence GWS have suddenly looked great at times this year with an influx of experienced players to help their wonderful young players.

By the way, for all the posters scoffing at Jed's ability over the years, have a look at what he has averaged each year over his career:

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jed_Adcock.html
I wish I could post the table here easily - just click on by averages instead of by totals
 
a mayes ing said:
I would have thought he would get the 1st couple of games in 2016 then he probably wouldnt get a game because the kids would have overtaken him.

This is the natural cycle of a football club, if a kid is producing better football than you then they take your spot.

Still not sure what you would have done instead?
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Grow up.

What the Lions media say isn't the whole truth.

If I was running the club I'd say "each week we play to win so if you're in the best 22 you play". Instead of going down this list overhaul which they want to do at the expense of short term on field success.

On the one hand the club has consistently blamed our pathetic, uncompetitive performances on lack of experience and leadership while at the same time try to pump as many games into kids so as long as their still at the club in 3 years time we'll start playing well.
 
Last of the Roys said:
That is a bit simplistic - couldn't be guaranteed a game is code for you will be playing in the reserve unless there are significant injuries.

Jed has had one poor year after years of loyalty / good service to the Club. I thought he was really good last year playing a very underrated onfield coaching / sweeping role in defence.

He is value on field with his experience is still a fair bit in front of yet another young player. I have never believed that a club should go an extreme version of the youth push. You end up losing almost every week and being uncompetitive most of the time - how does that help development?

It is no coincidence GWS have suddenly looked great at times this year with an influx of experienced players to help their wonderful young players.

By the way, for all the posters scoffing at Jed's ability over the years, have a look at what he has averaged each year over his career:

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jed_Adcock.html
I wish I could post the table here easily - just click on by averages instead of by totals
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While Jed experience is good, he also needs to deliver on producing good footy to stay in the team above a kid with better footballing ability.

I think we need to weigh up is Jed's experience worth more than a 18/19/20 year old's better footballing ability. Someone like a Cutler for example is being held back because of Jed and l, personally, feel that Cutler has overtaken Jed.
 
If it were just youth - Merrett would be kicked out too.

It's a combination of the fact that Jed isn't absolutely key to our team, and that there are other younger players in that half-back role who will probably overtake Jed next year.

Also, is Jed as strong a leader as we're making out? If he was amazing, wouldn't he still be captain?

I back the club completely with this decision. I'm sorry to see him go because he's been very loyal and gives 100% ... but we've been blindly giving players like him automatic selection for way too long, I think.
 
jackess said:
Grow up.

What the Lions media say isn't the whole truth.

If I was running the club I'd say "each week we play to win so if you're in the best 22 you play". Instead of going down this list overhaul which they want to do at the expense of short term on field success.

On the one hand the club has consistently blamed our pathetic, uncompetitive performances on lack of experience and leadership while at the same time try to pump as many games into kids so as long as their still at the club in 3 years time we'll start playing well.
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First of all: calm down, different POV's is good, no need to be pissed off.

Secondly, a lot of the games this season, our worst players have been our leaders.The kids have just played better footy. So l can understand the clubs wanting to pump as many games into the kids while at the same time not having to rely on the seniors.

There is an obvious group of core players that we are trying to play finals footy with. Pumping as many games into these kids and the core group is a necessity. Adcock is unfortunately not part of that group of players, partly because he hasn't produced a good season of football and partly because he isn't in that group of players.
Basically short term pain for long term gain.

i feel that we are on the right track as long as we keep these group of players (Beams, Rich, Hanley, Gardiner, McStay, Andrews, Taylor etc.
 
James North said:
If it were just youth - Merrett would be kicked out too.

It's a combination of the fact that Jed isn't absolutely key to our team, and that there are other younger players in that half-back role who will probably overtake Jed next year.

Also, is Jed as strong a leader as we're making out? If he was amazing, wouldn't he still be captain?

I back the club completely with this decision. I'm sorry to see him go because he's been very loyal and gives 100% ... but we've been blindly giving players like him automatic selection for way too long, I think.
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Obviously we are not kicking out every experienced player - that is just a strawman argument.

We have indicated even more emphasis on a youth approach next year - which I think is wrong. Calling into question Jed's leadership abilities isn't really classy if you don't have any inside info to offer.

You can back the Club all you want, but loyalty is a two way street. The same people crying foul over Aish et al. are the ones that are happy to kick Jed to the curb as soon as it suits us.
 
I wish posters would stop putting Adcock's ability, leadership, skill ect. down in order to justify their stance in agreeing with the clubs decision of delisting him. The reality is he won't be around for our next premiership and the club has decided to play young players over him from next year onwards. No need to start giving him flak for leadership, form ect. I personally would have rather seen him get another year or two but he is my favourite player so I am biased.
 
Last of the Roys said:
Obviously we are not kicking out every experienced player - that is just a strawman argument.

We have indicated even more emphasis on a youth approach next year - which I think is wrong. Calling into question Jed's leadership abilities isn't really classy if you don't have any inside info to offer.

You can back the Club all you want, but loyalty is a two way street. The same people crying foul over Aish et al. are the ones that are happy to kick Jed to the curb as soon as it suits us.
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Agreed it is really starting to annoy me. He is a former captain and 200+ game player for this football club. Some people need to show him more respect and admire what he has achieved during his time here as opposed to putting down his leadership, skill ect.
 
a mayes ing said:
First of all: calm down, different POV's is good, no need to be pissed off.

Secondly, a lot of the games this season, our worst players have been our leaders.The kids have just played better footy. So l can understand the clubs wanting to pump as many games into the kids while at the same time not having to rely on the seniors.

There is an obvious group of core players that we are trying to play finals footy with. Pumping as many games into these kids and the core group is a necessity. Adcock is unfortunately not part of that group of players, partly because he hasn't produced a good season of football and partly because he isn't in that group of players.
Basically short term pain for long term gain.

i feel that we are on the right track as long as we keep these group of players (Beams, Rich, Hanley, Gardiner, McStay, Andrews, Taylor etc.
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If I was running the club I'd be doing everything possible to ensure we don't have another disastrous season next year and losing Adcock doesn't help that. I don't care if delisting him now makes us very slightly better in three years. We cannot afford another couple of seasons in the bottom 4.
 

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jackess said:
If I was running the club I'd be doing everything possible to ensure we don't have another disastrous season next year and losing Adcock doesn't help that. I don't care if delisting him now makes us very slightly better in three years. We cannot afford another couple of seasons in the bottom 4.
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I agree 100% with your last comment. But i wouldnt think, and no disrespect to Adcock here, that having him on the list would make much difference between us being bottom 4 to middle tier team or finals.

Improvement needs to come from everyone and l think this season has been a negative in terms with l feel we should have done better with our ladder position even with all the injuries we had.

I wouldnt have necessarily cut Adcock as l do think we need leadership out their. But Adcock needed to play better this season and the last couple of seasons like Murphy from the Dogs. He is a good leader, that is why he was captain but he needed to do more with the football. That is the reason why we aren't getting rid of Merret and hopefully McGuane because they provide a need. Merret is the backline general and plays on the gorillas. McGuane, lately, showed Close, McStay etc how and where to lead to get the football and shows them what it takes with workrate to play in the AFL.

We have enough youth in the team atm and would look to get 1 or 2 experienced players in the side, maybe a Suckling and someone else.
 
Last of the Roys said:
Obviously we are not kicking out every experienced player - that is just a strawman argument.

We have indicated even more emphasis on a youth approach next year - which I think is wrong. Calling into question Jed's leadership abilities isn't really classy if you don't have any inside info to offer.

You can back the Club all you want, but loyalty is a two way street. The same people crying foul over Aish et al. are the ones that are happy to kick Jed to the curb as soon as it suits us.
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Do you have inside information indicating he's been excellent?

We don't know the full story, which is why I asked the question - if he was excellent, wouldn't he still be captain?

I'm not crying foul over Aish - he can go if he likes, so don't put me in that box.

lionshine said:
I wish posters would stop putting Adcock's ability, leadership, skill ect. down in order to justify their stance in agreeing with the clubs decision of delisting him. The reality is he won't be around for our next premiership and the club has decided to play young players over him from next year onwards. No need to start giving him flak for leadership, form ect. I personally would have rather seen him get another year or two but he is my favourite player so I am biased.
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Just because he's your favourite player, doesn't mean he's everyone else's.
 
James North said:
Lamenting that you wish other posters don't like Adcock because it helps their argument to agree with the club is off the mark.

It's possible it might be because he's not an amazing player!
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I never said I wish other posters didn't not like Jed, what I said was I wish posters wouldn't put him down on his way out of the club. If you don't like him thats fine but why give him flak when he's been a loyal clubman, put in over 200 games and captained this club for roughly 44 of them during a very tough period for this football club? The point I made was that certain posters are putting Adcock down to justify their stance in agreeing with the clubs decision. Some posters have disagreed with the decision and I have seen other posters state that they agree with it in reply and instead of pointing out the clear reason why(A preference to play younger players due to the fact that Jed won't be around for our next premiership and his declining form) they have decided to start to put down his leadership, skills ect. over the course of his career. All I have said is that it would be nice if posters showed some respect to a loyal clubman and instead of talking about those things, decided to focus on the positives of his career.

Now posters are more than entitled to put Jed down all they like. I was merely stating that it would be nice if they didn't particularly because he is leaving now anyway and I don't see why posters would feel the need to slam the door behind him(I have seen some posts like "Oh well, he's a spud anyway").

As for him not being an amazing player, he was never at the quality of the likes of Black but I always admired him for his hard at it and courageous play. If you've never rated him thats fine. You are of course entitled to your opinion.
 
lionshine said:
I never said I wish other posters didn't not like Jed, what I said was I wish posters wouldn't put him down on his way out of the club. If you don't like him thats fine but why give him flak when he's been a loyal clubman, put in over 200 games and captained this club for roughly 44 of them during a very tough period for this football club? The point I made was that certain posters are putting Adcock down to justify their stance in agreeing with the clubs decision. Some posters have disagreed with the decision and I have seen other posters state that they agree with it in reply and instead of pointing out the clear reason why(A preference to play younger players due to the fact that Jed won't be around for our next premiership and his declining form) they have decided to start to put down his leadership, skills ect. over the course of his career. All I have said is that it would be nice if posters showed some respect to a loyal clubman and instead of talking about those things, decided to focus on the positives of his career.

Now posters are more than entitled to put Jed down all they like. I was merely stating that it would be nice if they didn't particularly because he is leaving now anyway and I don't see why posters would feel the need to slam the door behind him(I have seen some posts like "Oh well, he's a spud anyway").

As for him not being an amazing player, he was never at the quality of the likes of Black but I always admired him for his hard at it and courageous play. If you've never rated him thats fine. You are of course entitled to your opinion.
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I don't think he's that bad at all personally, I mainly support the decision because of what we have in the list.

If we had no other half-backs, we'd be crazy to let him go. I just think he's not dominant enough in his specialist position.

I've liked him at half forward this year - but he's a journeyman forward, really.
 
lionshine said:
Agreed it is really starting to annoy me. He is a former captain and 200+ game player for this football club. Some people need to show him more respect and admire what he has achieved during his time here as opposed to putting down his leadership, skill ect.
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He's not my favourite player - far from it - but I don't understand how he has fallen out of the tree so quickly. I've hardly seen a game this year so I can't comment on his form - but he must be absolutely finished if we are getting rid of him - otherwise I'd be disappointed in the club.
 
I wonder if there are other reasons to the adcock saga. I wonder if brisbane have been given the impression that leueys compo might be just outside the band 1 and adcocks departure may improve that position if he gets picked up
 
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