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Low fat plant based diet is good for health, also god for environment as well as heart. The plant based diet is good for the overall health. There are having many plant based diet which you can adopt like Mediterranean Diet, Flexitarian Diet, Ornish Diet is good for health.
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This also poses some questions, although it's a long listen - it's kinda damning from a statistical POV about a plant based diet vs the general Western diet.



Yep, the facts speak for themselves. Very damning indeed, these diseases that plague the western world are largely preventable.

I would know, have defeated cancer twice and only succeeded the second time through embracing a pure vegan diet. Have never looked back since.

I always chuckle when I read comments here like "fruit has too much sugar" or "fruit makes you fat". Haha.

Not to mention the mindless destruction of our planet. This is quite a good summary that outlines the consequences to human health and the environment from the average diet of the western world:

http://www.veg-soc.org/cms/file_download/Eating_Up_The_World.pdf
 
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Wow, that's informative. Never heard that before.

You sound just as ignorant as my first specialist who informed me that only surgery and chemotherapy could save my life.
 

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Vegans are by far the most outspoken, critical and aggressively judgmental people when discussing other peoples diets.

And meat eaters are the most defensive, one dimensional and 'propaganda labeling' people I've ever tried to have a reasonable and meaningful discussion with.

Two sides to every story hey?
 

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Thread is going from strength to strength hey.

Vegans are just meat eaters who have enlightened themselves.
Have you chosen a vegan lifestyle for environmental/ethical reasons or do you feel there are nutritional benefits too?

Not loaded questions or trolling I legitimately want to have a discussion with you about it.
 

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Have you chosen a vegan lifestyle for environmental/ethical reasons or do you feel there are nutritional benefits too?

Not loaded questions or trolling I legitimately want to have a discussion with you about it.

Sure thing mate, thanks for the measured comment and great to see we can have a meaningful discussion about veganism without resorting to the arrogant, condescending and dismissive tone others seem to choose here.

For me, there is no one definitive answer to why I am vegan. It is a range compelling reasons for me that once I had informed myself enough and looked well within my own line of thinking, I was left with the conclusion of 'how can I not be vegan?'. I will explain below.

Firstly, its my health. I was a constant meat and dairy eater in my younger days and suffered my first bout of cancer when doing VCE. All traditional methods of treatment were used, ranging from surgery to 8 months of chemotherapy. Thankfully got the all clear and after finishing uni, was in Hong Kong as investment banker working massive hours. Didn't feel great, but I just attributed that to my busy lifestyle and finishing my MBA. So I didn't really give it much thought as I had convinced myself that as long as I'm excersicing and eating "healthy" meat and dairy, then all is well.

Landed a role at Goldman Sachs in NYC and that's where things started to go astray. I kind of had a feeling what it was finally and got it checked out - no surprise, tumours had re-appeared but this time it much more serious. As in, only 12 months to live type serious. Surgey and aggressive chemotherapy was recommended, but something that just struck me that this cannot be right. NYC was much more progressive and there were loads of vegan and vegetarian places to eat and people to connect with, I learned more and more about a natural way to fight it rather than the harsh chemicals and drugs that were being forced upon me.

Then it suddenly hit me - my diet was the cause of my illnesses, not to mention my health problems and weight issues. All I needed to do was read the indisputable evidence about the health benefits available from a vegan diet vs the standard diet of the western world. So, there I made a choice to attack cancer with the gherson therapy approach completley. Strict vegan diet was commenced there and then, majority raw. And bang, here I am.

Not one needle of chemotherapy or one incident of surgery. I'm sure to some of the ignorant ones here this will be labelled as "propaganda", but their opinions are completely irrelevant. I conquered cancer with changing my diet.

And for all those people in here scared about sugar and who rock themselves back to forth in a corner being frightened about carbs - my breakfast alone consisted of about a dozen bananas. Cop that ;)

The energy I had during this time blew me away. Whereas my first bout of cancer treatment involved me throwing up constantly and bed ridden (and trying to study for Year 12 exams), the second time I only missed 2 days of work on the trading floor and commenced my doctorate.

Secondly, animal ethics had been on my mind for quite some time. Upon asking the questions that I'd ignored/avoided for too long, I was staggered at the widespread extent of cruelty involved in animal industries.

I, like many in today's world, was trapped in a state of ignorant convenience, whereby the methods of raising/handling/killing animals was largely unknown to me. Out of sight, out of mind. There's a reason this occurs in dark, dingy warehouses away from prying eyes. People today have a strong disassociation between seeing a cute and cuddly animal compared to what is served on our plate.

As long as someone else does the part that we don't like to think about, then their suffering is overlooked. I was also incredibly ignorant to buy into the 'humane' concept that the meat and dairy industries try and brainwash us with. Its just a word that people use to make themselves feel better. The concept of 'speciesism' is something that I was only mildly aware of, but largely ignorant of. Only upon stopping to think about it did I actually understand its severity. Why do we love dogs, eat pigs and wear cows? Its a pretty damning statement yet so indicative of how rife, and largely acceptable, that speciesism has become.

All these creatures are capable of the exact same emotions - friendship, love, happiness, companionship, and of course - pain. If we were to hurt a dog or a cat in the way that is deemed 'acceptable' for a cow, pig or sheep - then as the Joker from The Dark Knight would say - "then everyone loses their minds!!"

And not that I needed any more reasons to be a vegan for the rest of my life - but the final aspect of this is the mindless utter destruction of our planet. The grain alone that's grown just to feed cows in the cattle industry alone is enough to feed almost 9 billion people. Only a fraction of the world's corn grown is actually consumed by humans - the majority is used to feed billions of animals slaughtered every year. The shocking wastage of food, and water required - all whilst we have millions of people suffering of starvation every single day. Simply mind boggling.

There was a time when I couldn't even contemplate going one meal without eating some form of meat, however all of that changed very quickly and very easily once I had that "lightbulb" moment. The daily instances of speciesism was rife and prevalent - and I was practising it every day.

I quickly realised that I do not own a life other than my own. I do not own another living, sentient being's life. Whether they be human or non-human, I do not own them. Freedom is a right and privilege we are all entitled to. Who am I to choose when another living being can be put to death? Who am I to say that I own another's life, and I can decide that it will be killed for my use or benefit?

Humans share the exact same premise as an animal does - our will to live. We both share this primal emotion. We want to live and not be harmed. The 'food chain' was created with the same arrogance and dismissiveness as the 'as long as we kill them humanely' line of thinking.

If any person was to doubt an animal's will to live - then simply watch Earthlings or watch a group of animals on the killing floor as they see, hear and smell their friends' lives being taken from them. It will demonstrate, beyond any level of doubt, that we share the same inescapable desire as them.

To live.

Hope that answers your question buddy - I appreciate its a long response but couldn't do the question ustice without explaining in sufficient detail.
 
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Sure thing mate, thanks for the measured comment and great to see we can have a meaningful discussion about veganism without resorting to the arrogant, condescending and dismissive tone others seem to choose here.

For me, there is no one definitive answer to why I am vegan. It is a range compelling reasons for me that once I had informed myself enough and looked well within my own line of thinking, I was left with the conclusion of 'how can I not be vegan?'. I will explain below.

Firstly, its my health. I was a constant meat and dairy eater in my younger days and suffered my first bout of cancer when doing VCE. All traditional methods of treatment were used, ranging from surgery to 8 months of chemotherapy. Thankfully got the all clear and after finishing uni, was in Hong Kong as investment banker working massive hours. Didn't feel great, but I just attributed that to my busy lifestyle and finishing my MBA. So I didn't really give it much thought as I had convinced myself that as long as I'm excersicing and eating "healthy" meat and dairy, then all is well.

Landed a role at Goldman Sachs in NYC and that's where things started to go astray. I kind of had a feeling what it was finally and got it checked out - no surprise, tumours had re-appeared but this time it much more serious. As in, only 12 months to live type serious. Surgey and aggressive chemotherapy was recommended, but something that just struck me that this cannot be right. NYC was much more progressive and there were loads of vegan and vegetarian places to eat and people to connect with, I learned more and more about a natural way to fight it rather than the harsh chemicals and drugs that were being forced upon me.

Then it suddenly hit me - my diet was the cause of my illnesses, not to mention my health problems and weight issues. All I needed to do was read the indisputable evidence about the health benefits available from a vegan diet vs the standard diet of the western world. So, there I made a choice to attack cancer with the gherson therapy approach completley. Strict vegan diet was commenced there and then, majority raw. And bang, here I am.

Not one needle of chemotherapy or one incident of surgery. I'm sure to some of the ignorant ones here this will be labelled as "propaganda", but their opinions are completely irrelevant. I conquered cancer with changing my diet.

And for all those people in here scared about sugar and who rock themselves back to forth in a corner being frightened about carbs - my breakfast alone consisted of about a dozen bananas. Cop that ;)

The energy I had during this time blew me away. Whereas my first bout of cancer treatment involved me throwing up constantly and bed ridden (and trying to study for Year 12 exams), the second time I only missed 2 days of work on the trading floor and commenced my doctorate.

Secondly, animal ethics had been on my mind for quite some time. Upon asking the questions that I'd ignored/avoided for too long, I was staggered at the widespread extent of cruelty involved in animal industries.

I, like many in today's world, was trapped in a state of ignorant convenience, whereby the methods of raising/handling/killing animals was largely unknown to me. Out of sight, out of mind. There's a reason this occurs in dark, dingy warehouses away from prying eyes. People today have a strong disassociation between seeing a cute and cuddly animal compared to what is served on our plate.

As long as someone else does the part that we don't like to think about, then their suffering is overlooked. I was also incredibly ignorant to buy into the 'humane' concept that the meat and dairy industries try and brainwash us with. Its just a word that people use to make themselves feel better. The concept of 'speciesism' is something that I was only mildly aware of, but largely ignorant of. Only upon stopping to think about it did I actually understand its severity. Why do we love dogs, eat pigs and wear cows? Its a pretty damning statement yet so indicative of how rife, and largely acceptable, that speciesism has become.

All these creatures are capable of the exact same emotions - friendship, love, happiness, companionship, and of course - pain. If we were to hurt a dog or a cat in the way that is deemed 'acceptable' for a cow, pig or sheep - then as the Joker from The Dark Knight would say - "then everyone loses their minds!!"

And not that I needed any more reasons to be a vegan for the rest of my life - but the final aspect of this is the mindless utter destruction of our planet. The grain alone that's grown just to feed cows in the cattle industry alone is enough to feed almost 9 billion people. Only a fraction of the world's corn grown is actually consumed by humans - the majority is used to feed billions of animals slaughtered every year. The shocking wastage of food, and water required - all whilst we have millions of people suffering of starvation every single day. Simply mind boggling.

There was a time when I couldn't even contemplate going one meal without eating some form of meat, however all of that changed very quickly and very easily once I had that "lightbulb" moment. The daily instances of speciesism was rife and prevalent - and I was practising it every day.

I quickly realised that I do not own a life other than my own. I do not own another living, sentient being's life. Whether they be human or non-human, I do not own them. Freedom is a right and privilege we are all entitled to. Who am I to choose when another living being can be put to death? Who am I to say that I own another's life, and I can decide that it will be killed for my use or benefit?

Humans share the exact same premise as an animal does - our will to live. We both share this primal emotion. We want to live and not be harmed. The 'food chain' was created with the same arrogance and dismissiveness as the 'as long as we kill them humanely' line of thinking.

If any person was to doubt an animal's will to live - then simply watch Earthlings or watch a group of animals on the killing floor as they see, hear and smell their friends' lives being taken from them. It will demonstrate, beyond any level of doubt, that we share the same inescapable desire as them.

To live.

Hope that answers your question buddy - I appreciate its a long response but couldn't do the question ustice without explaining in sufficient detail.
That's quite a journey you've had there. Particularly interesting from someone who has had their mindset and diet flipped around through illness and self discovery :thumbsu:

Two further questions

1. Do you still maintain an active lifestyle with your veganism? If so has your diet impacted your physique or fitness level at all?
2. How so you feel about animals killing other animals in the wild? It seems the natural order of things is that we have equal desire to live (as you highlighted) and to kill other sentient beings to feed on their flesh.
 
Sure thing mate, thanks for the measured comment and great to see we can have a meaningful discussion about veganism without resorting to the arrogant, condescending and dismissive tone others seem to choose here.

For me, there is no one definitive answer to why I am vegan. It is a range compelling reasons for me that once I had informed myself enough and looked well within my own line of thinking, I was left with the conclusion of 'how can I not be vegan?'. I will explain below.

Firstly, its my health. I was a constant meat and dairy eater in my younger days and suffered my first bout of cancer when doing VCE. All traditional methods of treatment were used, ranging from surgery to 8 months of chemotherapy. Thankfully got the all clear and after finishing uni, was in Hong Kong as investment banker working massive hours. Didn't feel great, but I just attributed that to my busy lifestyle and finishing my MBA. So I didn't really give it much thought as I had convinced myself that as long as I'm excersicing and eating "healthy" meat and dairy, then all is well.

Landed a role at Goldman Sachs in NYC and that's where things started to go astray. I kind of had a feeling what it was finally and got it checked out - no surprise, tumours had re-appeared but this time it much more serious. As in, only 12 months to live type serious. Surgey and aggressive chemotherapy was recommended, but something that just struck me that this cannot be right. NYC was much more progressive and there were loads of vegan and vegetarian places to eat and people to connect with, I learned more and more about a natural way to fight it rather than the harsh chemicals and drugs that were being forced upon me.

Then it suddenly hit me - my diet was the cause of my illnesses, not to mention my health problems and weight issues. All I needed to do was read the indisputable evidence about the health benefits available from a vegan diet vs the standard diet of the western world. So, there I made a choice to attack cancer with the gherson therapy approach completley. Strict vegan diet was commenced there and then, majority raw. And bang, here I am.

Not one needle of chemotherapy or one incident of surgery. I'm sure to some of the ignorant ones here this will be labelled as "propaganda", but their opinions are completely irrelevant. I conquered cancer with changing my diet.

And for all those people in here scared about sugar and who rock themselves back to forth in a corner being frightened about carbs - my breakfast alone consisted of about a dozen bananas. Cop that ;)

The energy I had during this time blew me away. Whereas my first bout of cancer treatment involved me throwing up constantly and bed ridden (and trying to study for Year 12 exams), the second time I only missed 2 days of work on the trading floor and commenced my doctorate.

Secondly, animal ethics had been on my mind for quite some time. Upon asking the questions that I'd ignored/avoided for too long, I was staggered at the widespread extent of cruelty involved in animal industries.

I, like many in today's world, was trapped in a state of ignorant convenience, whereby the methods of raising/handling/killing animals was largely unknown to me. Out of sight, out of mind. There's a reason this occurs in dark, dingy warehouses away from prying eyes. People today have a strong disassociation between seeing a cute and cuddly animal compared to what is served on our plate.

As long as someone else does the part that we don't like to think about, then their suffering is overlooked. I was also incredibly ignorant to buy into the 'humane' concept that the meat and dairy industries try and brainwash us with. Its just a word that people use to make themselves feel better. The concept of 'speciesism' is something that I was only mildly aware of, but largely ignorant of. Only upon stopping to think about it did I actually understand its severity. Why do we love dogs, eat pigs and wear cows? Its a pretty damning statement yet so indicative of how rife, and largely acceptable, that speciesism has become.

All these creatures are capable of the exact same emotions - friendship, love, happiness, companionship, and of course - pain. If we were to hurt a dog or a cat in the way that is deemed 'acceptable' for a cow, pig or sheep - then as the Joker from The Dark Knight would say - "then everyone loses their minds!!"

And not that I needed any more reasons to be a vegan for the rest of my life - but the final aspect of this is the mindless utter destruction of our planet. The grain alone that's grown just to feed cows in the cattle industry alone is enough to feed almost 9 billion people. Only a fraction of the world's corn grown is actually consumed by humans - the majority is used to feed billions of animals slaughtered every year. The shocking wastage of food, and water required - all whilst we have millions of people suffering of starvation every single day. Simply mind boggling.

There was a time when I couldn't even contemplate going one meal without eating some form of meat, however all of that changed very quickly and very easily once I had that "lightbulb" moment. The daily instances of speciesism was rife and prevalent - and I was practising it every day.

I quickly realised that I do not own a life other than my own. I do not own another living, sentient being's life. Whether they be human or non-human, I do not own them. Freedom is a right and privilege we are all entitled to. Who am I to choose when another living being can be put to death? Who am I to say that I own another's life, and I can decide that it will be killed for my use or benefit?

Humans share the exact same premise as an animal does - our will to live. We both share this primal emotion. We want to live and not be harmed. The 'food chain' was created with the same arrogance and dismissiveness as the 'as long as we kill them humanely' line of thinking.

If any person was to doubt an animal's will to live - then simply watch Earthlings or watch a group of animals on the killing floor as they see, hear and smell their friends' lives being taken from them. It will demonstrate, beyond any level of doubt, that we share the same inescapable desire as them.

To live.

Hope that answers your question buddy - I appreciate its a long response but couldn't do the question ustice without explaining in sufficient detail.

I decided a while ago if I ever got cancer I'd first try a few really long water fasts and if that didnt work go for the gerson therapy.

Good on you for taking control of your life.:thumbsu:
 
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"Then it suddenly hit me - my diet was the cause of my illnesses, not to mention my health problems and weight issues. All I needed to do was read the indisputable evidence about the health benefits available from a vegan diet vs the standard diet of the western world. So, there I made a choice to attack cancer with the gherson therapy approach completley. Strict vegan diet was commenced there and then, majority raw. And bang, here I am.

Not one needle of chemotherapy or one incident of surgery. I'm sure to some of the ignorant ones here this will be labelled as "propaganda", but their opinions are completely irrelevant. I conquered cancer with changing my diet."


I've read a bit about Gerson. Did you go the whole hog with the coffee enemas etc?

Tell me some more about how the path to being healed manifested itself
 

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That's quite a journey you've had there. Particularly interesting from someone who has had their mindset and diet flipped around through illness and self discovery :thumbsu:

Two further questions

1. Do you still maintain an active lifestyle with your veganism? If so has your diet impacted your physique or fitness level at all?
2. How so you feel about animals killing other animals in the wild? It seems the natural order of things is that we have equal desire to live (as you highlighted) and to kill other sentient beings to feed on their flesh.

Thank you :thumbsu:

1. Am still very active even after giving up footy after a couple of knee reconstructions. I still play cricket (ironically used to play with Sids many years ago, prior to him being vegan though). I gym 4-5 times a week though as it's hard to go at nighttime as I'm still in banking and work long hours.

Twice a week I'll run around Albert Park lake (live within walking distance) at nighttime to wind down. Otherwise I'll be on my bike a few times a week as well. Have almost reached my pre-knee squat of 140kg, all other lifts are stronger than before. Overall, lost about 14kg when I switched to vegan (mostly fat as all those years worth of clogged up rotting animal carcasses in my stomach finally melted away).

My diet gives me everlasting energy to do all the things that I can - which is even more welcome now having a new born at home and sleep being at an all time low! But energy wise, it's a completely different story. I'm lucky to wake up every morning bouncing out of bed.

2. I get asked this quite regularly actually, and no issue whatsoever. That's the true food chain. The true circle of life as they put it. Been happening for tens of thousands of years before us and our ancestors appeared on this planet.

My issue, and I would guess the main moral issue amongst vegans, is the intervention of humans and self-appointment to the top of the chain. An animal purely bred for one purpose, to be slaughtered for human consumption. Treated so poorly in shocking conditions, the only purpose of it's suffering is for it's meat to be consumed by humans. Factory farming is a blight on mankind. Simply deplorable.

Their consent to be put to death is inferred by humans. And this is where I challenged my own conventional line of thinking regarding 'humane' meat. I realised that, irrespective of how 'well' I perceived that animal's life and upbringing to be, humans have still decided that it will be put to death at a chosen point in time.

The animal has no choice. They don't want to have their throats slit. They don't want to be bred to be made into a wallet, or a pair of shoes, or be served on a BBQ. They don't want to be bred to have cosmetics tested upon them to the point of death. That's the major differential when you compare the natural animal kingdom vs human interference.

We self anoint ourselves as being able to disburse humane treatment, yet we as species bomb, rape and kill each other. Every day there is death and destruction depicted by mankind unto other humans, mass genocide, mindless senseless violence on the streets, random shootings etc. What chance do animals have of being treated humanely when we cannot even demonstrate that to our own kind?


I decided a while ago if I ever got cancer I'd first try a few really long water fasts and if that didnt work go for the gerson therapy.

Good on you for taking control of your life.:thumbsu:

Thanks again. Let's hope you never face that situation though. But good to know you're open to other ideas outside of standard practice.

The coffee enema would be interesting.
Glenferry, how did you approach that. Was it a challenge.

"Then it suddenly hit me - my diet was the cause of my illnesses, not to mention my health problems and weight issues. All I needed to do was read the indisputable evidence about the health benefits available from a vegan diet vs the standard diet of the western world. So, there I made a choice to attack cancer with the gherson therapy approach completley. Strict vegan diet was commenced there and then, majority raw. And bang, here I am.

Not one needle of chemotherapy or one incident of surgery. I'm sure to some of the ignorant ones here this will be labelled as "propaganda", but their opinions are completely irrelevant. I conquered cancer with changing my diet."


I've read a bit about Gerson. Did you go the whole hog with the coffee enemas etc?

Tell me some more about how the path to being healed manifested itself

Thought long and hard about the enema side of things but didn't go down that path (if you know what I mean - I didn't necessarily want things to go up there). I always kept it as an option though but I was responding so well to the number of juices and smoothies that I began healing much quicker than I realised.

There is a woman by the name of Jeanette Murray who also did the same thing well over a decade ago. I read some of her earlier material and came across some networks over the internet where I could hear her routine. She made world headlines last year as she and her husband ran around Australia in a year - a marathon a day. Yep, a day. They're both vegans, in their 60s. Incredible.

Lach72 - wasn't quite sure about the second part of your question? Did you mean how did the idea present itself to try an alternative form of treatment?
 

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Such a great story Glenferry!! Massive kudos to you for committing to such a huge change & what AMAZING results!

And I agree, would much, much rather a banana and date smoothie in the morning over a fat filled coffee!
 

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Such a great story Glenferry!! Massive kudos to you for committing to such a huge change & what AMAZING results!

And I agree, would much, much rather a banana and date smoothie in the morning over a fat filled coffee!

So would I in a way, but as a diabetic I know which one is going to raise my blood sugars. Good to hear that veganism cured your cancer Glenferry23. High Fat Low Carbs healed my diabetes. So, horses for courses I guess. Good luck on your quest to stay healthy.
 

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