Mainstream left silencing sympathetic voices?

[fleabitten]

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...silencing-sympathetic-voices?CMP=share_btn_fb

I considered posting this in both the Feminist Myths and the Islam and Extremism threads because I feel like this in both.

"Assumption creep may be accurate in some cases. We all know about the “I’m not a racist, but … ” arguments. But more often than not, it simply isn’t true. To insist otherwise is lazy. It’s just a way of making sure people who have opinions contrary to your own stay safely in their boxes – the boxes marked “bad people”. To actually address the issues is thus avoided, because who needs to debate with a bad person? It’s enough just to condemn them."

 

[telsor]

I cannot agree enough with this article.

 

[radiojake]

his problem is that he reads what people write in his twitter feed...

 

[WA ROO]

That will teach him for going off message

 

[little graham]

Interesting end to the article

That’s not only a bad feeling; it’s a tendency that’s bad for democracy, for politics, and the wider movement we call the left. And the left – in its compassion, freedom and concern for social justice – is the only hope for the future of this country.

But the rest predictable.

. I question whether the gender pay gap in Britain is as large as is sometimes suggested, and wonder whether it may have as much to do with the way it is calculated and with the choices women make after having children as it does with patriarchy or prejudice (although the government could do more to close the gap by funding childcare better). There is huge work to do to liberate women from the very real yoke of patriarchy. But I would venture – checking my privilege – that this is not a crisis in Britain in way it is in the developing world.

hat if you believe religion, including Islam, is the source of much conflict in the world you also (secretly) believe all Muslims are potential terrorists and you (secretly) dislike immigrants to boot.

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...silencing-sympathetic-voices?CMP=share_btn_fb


Lennon nailed that years ago..

Keep you doped with religion, and sex, and T.V.
And you think you're so clever and classless and free
But you're still ******* peasants as far as I can see

 

[tesseract]

Interesting that Tim 'I am a lefty' Lott states: "I believe the state must work to ensure equality of opportunity for all" while contradicting himself by also stating "I believe there should be more all-women shortlists for parliamentary seats", thus advocating for an equality of outcome. Does this contradiction that makes up what feminists call equality have a broader appeal that encompasses left leaning folk? Tim, as a lefty, implies, if not outright states, that it does given he lists some of his reasons for his leftism.

This is why feminists/SJW's are ethically challenged, for they seek so-called social justice through advocating the use of mandated inequality and discrimination, and thus injustice. They're typically hypocrites. This is why feminism and the typical feminist stands for female privilege, advantage and special consideration for women and women alone, not equality.

Whilst I've pointed out Tim's contradiction that's also the stance of many a lefty, in my observation, I also commend him for getting much right in the article.

This video from Sargon of Akkad is a must watch if one is interested in Tim Lott's article, as posted in the OP, or feminism in general.

Feminism, Chivalry and the Civil War in the Left

 

[radiojake]

oh great, tesser is back to ruin another thread

 

[fleabitten]

Good video though.

 

[clogged]

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...silencing-sympathetic-voices?CMP=share_btn_fb

I considered posting this in both the Feminist Myths and the Islam and Extremism threads because I feel like this in both.

"Assumption creep may be accurate in some cases. We all know about the “I’m not a racist, but … ” arguments. But more often than not, it simply isn’t true. To insist otherwise is lazy. It’s just a way of making sure people who have opinions contrary to your own stay safely in their boxes – the boxes marked “bad people”. To actually address the issues is thus avoided, because who needs to debate with a bad person? It’s enough just to condemn them."

The idea that people who have progressive views feel alienated by extreme left wingers isn't unique to 'the left'. Same thing could be argued about hardcore Liberal voters saying that free marketeer, self made man, multi millionaire Malcolm Turnbull would be better suited in the union affiliated party, simply because he thinks gay marriage is OK and climate change isn't a socialist conspiracy.

On both sides, extremist nutters have hijacked the debate.

 

[blackcat]

The idea that people who have progressive views feel alienated by extreme left wingers isn't unique to 'the left'. Same thing could be argued about hardcore Liberal voters saying that free marketeer, self made man, multi millionaire Malcolm Turnbull would be better suited in the union affiliated party, simply because he thinks gay marriage is OK and climate change isn't a socialist conspiracy.

On both sides, extremist nutters have hijacked the debate.

the poles tho, in their hijack attempt, even matters nutty, because most are nutty attempts, at the true aim is to pull the spectrum to the left or the right, and the right have been successful in pulling the equilibrium to their end over the last decades, much as mimicry of the US.

 

[Lester Burnham]

Some similar views expressed in this article

http://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-australian/20150324/282084865295534/TextView

You can watch the Channel 4 documentary "Things we won't say about race that are true" on Youtube

 

[clogged]

Some similar views expressed in this article

http://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-australian/20150324/282084865295534/TextView

The tool Nick Cater.

 

[Lester Burnham]

The tool Nick Cater.

I'm sure he thinks highly of you.

The video is worth spending a spare hour watching.

 

[clogged]

I'm sure he thinks highly of you.

The video is worth spending a spare hour watching.

Video is good, his article is its usual nonsense.

 

[telsor]

Got to say, that's a really good documentary.

 

[Contra Mundum]

The tool Nick Cater.

Nick Cater is an embarrassment - he makes ******* Gerard Henderson seem like Thomas Jefferson. If an low altitude flier can make a living as a faux intellectual on the right then God help us all!!!!

We all know what it means it is a passive aggressive way of hankering for the days of Love Thy Neighbor when discourse was free and Eddie Booth could call his neighbor a nig nog on national TV and everyone thought it was funny

The halycon days of half castes, coons, boongs and chinks - when everyone was free

http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/

 

[Ron The Bear]

Some similar views expressed in this article

http://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-australian/20150324/282084865295534/TextView

Didn't police endure a phase where they weren't allowed to publicly describe suspected offenders in racial terms, e.g. "of African appearance"? Thankfully that seems to have ended.

 

[Lester Burnham]

Got to say, that's a really good documentary.

I think the key points are

- left to themselves people naturally segregate by ethniciy

- segregation leads to separate lives and separate values outside the mainstream

- there is a relunctance to acknowledge and discuss racial segregation preferences because it is seen as racist

- extremist islamic views in western societies only thrives in isolated communities

- anti-racism policies have given birth to a new doctrine i) all whites are alike ii) all whites are guilty iii) white people can't criticise non-white people. The black presenter reinforces his own point. I don't think a white man could have made this documentary.

- politicians and the media are inhibited from expressing certain views for fear of being accused of being racist

- the fear of white people criticising non whites can lead to disastrous consequences eg in Rotherham and other UK cities, Pakistani males targetting young white girls for sexual abuse

- "I wonder if at the heart of this, was a mistake we all made, that we gave people a kind of cultural exemption from normal, reasonable, decent behaviour"

- "preventing anyone from saying what's on their mind won't remove it from their heart. People need to feel free to say what they want to without the fear of being accused of racism or bigotry. It means we are all going to have to become more ready to offend each other"

 

[telsor]

For me, the main point is one I keep on about on this board....Whatever the intentions, censorship is a BAD IDEA.

A policy might be brought in with the greatest of intentions, but unless you can criticise, debate and differ in your views without being attacked and labeled, then the intentions of the policy wont have any means to correct themselves when they (inevitably) get things wrong. I say inevitably, because I highly doubt any policy can and will be perfectly implemented first time.

 

[medusala]

Video is good, his article is its usual nonsense.

One of the better journos floating around. If you want to pot the bloke, feel free to mention why.

eg Pascoe has no idea re economics, spouts the usual magic pudding nonsense, has been shown to be demonstrably wrong etc.

Nick Cater is an embarrassment - he makes ******* Gerard Henderson seem like Thomas Jefferson. If an low altitude flier can make a living as a faux intellectual on the right then God help us all!!!!

Comrade, looking on the wrong side for faux intellectuals. His book was a decent read. Far better than virtually anything that comes out of the US "right" and way ahead of pseudo intellectuals like 70s economics redux Piketty.

Not a touch on Janet A, eh!!

 

[clogged]

One of the better journos floating around. If you want to pot the bloke, feel free to mention why.

Your opinion is hardly surprising.

 

[blackcat]

The idea that people who have progressive views feel alienated by extreme left wingers isn't unique to 'the left'. Same thing could be argued about hardcore Liberal voters saying that free marketeer, self made man, multi millionaire Malcolm Turnbull would be better suited in the union affiliated party, simply because he thinks gay marriage is OK and climate change isn't a socialist conspiracy.

On both sides, extremist nutters have hijacked the debate.

he thinks gay marriage is ok cos he holds the seat that holds Paddington or wherever and has the most homosexual voters this side of miami. not the broadmeadows or sunshine contiguous suburb.

malcolm would be indifferent to gay marriage otherwise. just like a republic, it was merely a tool to thrust him into the spotlight.

malcolm is about malcom. in one of those crazy halls of mirrors in the fun parlour. when he makes the fun parlour the nation and canberra and politics.

 

[blackcat]

One of the better journos floating around. If you want to pot the bloke, feel free to mention why.

eg Pascoe has no idea re economics, spouts the usual magic pudding nonsense, has been shown to be demonstrably wrong etc.



Comrade, looking on the wrong side for faux intellectuals. His book was a decent read. Far better than virtually anything that comes out of the US "right" and way ahead of pseudo intellectuals like 70s economics redux Piketty.

Not a touch on Janet A, eh!!

decent medium pace bowler.

len. looks like a market green grocer

 

[clogged]

he thinks gay marriage is ok cos he holds the seat that holds Paddington or wherever and has the most homosexual voters this side of miami. not the broadmeadows or sunshine contiguous suburb.

malcolm would be indifferent to gay marriage otherwise. just like a republic, it was merely a tool to thrust him into the spotlight.

malcolm is about malcom. in one of those crazy halls of mirrors in the fun parlour. when he makes the fun parlour the nation and canberra and politics.
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No doubt. But that doesn't make him a potential Labor party member.

I think he cares deeply about the republic though. He wants to be president.

 

[blackcat]

Nick Cater is an embarrassment - he makes ******* Gerard Henderson seem like Thomas Jefferson. If an low altitude flier can make a living as a faux intellectual on the right then God help us all!!!!

We all know what it means it is a passive aggressive way of hankering for the days of Love Thy Neighbor when discourse was free and Eddie Booth could call his neighbor a nig nog on national TV and everyone thought it was funny

The halycon days of half castes, coons, boongs and chinks - when everyone was free

http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/

his hair is limp. he needs to book in and see tim. and he might be able to provide some body.

no chance in recreating a bouffant like robert manne or peter craven tho





MEds, dont defend other Spectator Australia members.
not this guy who was an advertising flack (the most meretricious industry on earth) with the sir jimmy saville haircut. like some inverted or dichotomy mullet.


and tom switzer is a goose too.