Marcus Bontempelli Vs Patrick Cripps

[Th3 DoG FaTh3R]

Two absolute guns in the making, taken in the 2013 draft and both considered to be the prototype next gen midfielder with their height, athleticism and talented ball handling. In a comp where these type of players are becoming sort after this poll is to determine:
1) Which player will have the better individual career? Determined by BnF, Brownlow, AFL awards and AFL Player rankings.
2) Which player would you rather in your team to help win a premiership? Determined by your individual subjective assessments for example they maybe that one is more of a big game player than the other, better composed, heart and soul etc.
I can see AFL greatness in these two players, lets enjoy the ride.

Stats by footywire.com

 

[Th3 DoG FaTh3R]

Congratulations to Patrick Cripps on winning the Carlton FC Club Best and Fairest for 2015. This along with his 2nd place in the 2015 Rising Star award caps off an excellent 2nd year for the young gun.
In 2014 Bontempelli also placed 2nd for the Rising Star award as well as winning the Chris Grant Best First Year Player awarded by the Western Bulldogs. Bontempelli also won the AFLPA Best First Year Player as voted on by all players in the AFL.
Bontempelli and Cripps were both named in the 2015 AFLPA 22 Under 22 Team. Cripps as starting centre and Bontempelli as rover.
In 2014 Bontempelli was also named in the AFLPA 22 Under 22 Team on the half forward flank.

A good result for Bontempelli in the 2015 Brownlow medal count finishing with 13 votes, which was equal 18th overall and the leading Western Bulldogs vote getter.
Cripps finished on 6 votes, equal 54th overall and was the 3rd leading vote getter for Carlton.
In 2014 Bontempelli polled 4 votes, equal 82nd overall and equal 6th for the Bulldogs whilst Cripps did not poll any votes.

Congratulations to Marcus Bontempelli for being named the 2015 AFL Coaches Association Best Young Player.
It's worth pointing out that Cripps was runner up to Bontempelli in the award.
The top 3 was:
1. M Bontempelli 557 votes
2. P Cripps 527 votes
3. J McGovern 362 votes.

Congratulations to Marcus Bontempelli for his 3rd place in the 2015 Western Bulldogs Best and Fairest. The BoNT played 21 games for the year, including the 7 point Elimination final loss vs Adelaide where he had 24 disposals and 114 supercoach points as a 19yo.

Congratulations to Marcus Bontempelli for his elevation into the 5 man leadership group at the Western Bulldogs for season 2016. At age 20, Bontempelli is the youngest member of the player voted group led by Captain Robert Murphy (33yo), Vice Captain Easton Wood (26yo) and incumbent leaders Matthew Boyd (33yo) and Dale Morris (33yo).

Congratulations to Patrick Cripps for his elevation into the 7 man leadership group at Carlton for season 2016. At age 20, Cripps is the youngest member of the player voted group led by Captain Marc Murphy (28yo), Vice Captain Kade Simpson (31yo), incumbent leader Bryce Gibbs (26yo), returning leadership group member Andrew Walker (29yo) and new leaders Ed Curnow (26yo) and Sam Docherty (22yo).

Congratulations to Marcus Bontempelli for his inaugural inclusion into the AFL Players Association Players' Top 50 for 2016 season. At 20yo and with only 2 completed seasons in the AFL, Bontempelli ranked number 49 on the player voted list.

 

[TwentyNine]

Bonti by a comfortable margin for me. Much more versatile than Cripps, better forward nous, better kick. Cripps is a better ball-winner at this stage but Bonti leads him in just about every other category.

 

[askdotcom]

oh look another bont poll from a dogs supporter.

 

[Zgope1]

Bonts is better in a lot of ways. I'd almost say every way except contested bali which is still a strength of his. Having said that Cripps will probably have more disposals in his career which according to most footy fans will equate to better. Pity the aim of the game isn't to get the ball. There's a bit more to it

 

[midorigreenwood]

Bontempelli is having some year. Player Ratings have him scoring in the top 20 players in his second year. (top 60 overall ranking)

Infact with 264 points for the year (16 games x 16.5 average)

He would be just outside the top ten

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

oh look another bont poll from a dogs supporter.

Oh look another snarky comment from a Brisbane fan in a Bont thread

 

[King Bont]

Bontempelli is having some year. Player Ratings have him scoring in the top 20 players in his second year. (top 60 overall ranking)

Infact with 264 points for the year (16 games x 16.5 average)

He would be just outside the top ten

joop

 

[juss]

Would probably take the Bont

 

[ManOfClay]

Cripps has been great and will be a great player, but this is like comparing Andrew Swallow to Scott Pendlebury.

 

[Lethality]

Cripps has been the better player so far.

 

[T2B_]

For mine they're not really the same kind of player beyond being big mids.

Cripps is a powerful ball/clearance winner specialist with exceptional awareness/vision who's height is increasingly making him a marking threat, but lacks the ability to finish in front of the big sticks at this stage (could improve).

Whereas the Bont certainly has the finishing skills and at the moment certainly better outside game, more natural athlete and probably a more rounded player overall.

Cripps is certainly bigger than 190cm nowadays though (bout 194cm).

 

[Th3 DoG FaTh3R]

T2B_ Whilst it's fairly obvious due to the flashy nature of Bont's outside game that he is a damaging receiver and finisher if given the chance, his skills as an inside extractor of the football from a contest to outside runners by hand are excellent. He is one of the best handballers from those situations I have seen. Unlike some smaller players that burrow in a contest and dig the handball out, Bontempelli uses his extreme reach to both win the ball and then once in his posession, like most modern mids he holds his arms free, and utilises his lengthy arms again by firing the handball away whilst the ball is held above his shoulders. It's quite remarkable and he has the vision, quick thinking and execution to deliver the ball to players in about a 270 degree arc from his position.
Yeah Cripps looks much bigger than 190. At 194cm that would make him bigger than Bontempelli who is 193cm. Even though we haven't seen much of it yet, Cripps does have forward guile. I'd expect as Carlton get more depth through the midfield that the luxury to rest him forward will be utilised and we will see him demonstrate atAFL level what he did at the Northern Blues a couple of times last year kicking 3 against Coburg and 2 against Williamstown.

 

[T2B_]

Yeah I wasn't meaning to downplay Bont's inside game or imply he's only an outside player, it's just as a neutral (to Dogs games) I've only mostly seen the outside flashy impressive stuff he does and haven't the chance to notice the inside work, whereas obviously being a Carlton fan I notice nearly everything Cripps does every week.

So perhaps they're not so different, but I do think of Cripps as sort of being a specialist kind of player whereas Bont is a "do everything" kind of player. That being the case, a lot of people would probably take Bont.

Though I imagine Dogs fans would always take Bont and Carlton fans Cripps it's the way these things work but Cripps is exactly (finally) the kind of player we desperately needed and his emergence perfectly timed with Judd going down.

 

[ManOfClay]

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-14/the-inquirer-follow-the-form


Good indication of how immense bont has been, a reminder that just because he is less of an accumulator doesn't mean he is less of a player

 

[midorigreenwood]

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-14/the-inquirer-follow-the-form


Good indication of how immense bont has been, a reminder that just because he is less of an accumulator doesn't mean he is less of a player

I remember reading about Ted Hopkins (founder of champion data) and how he found that in the advent of fantasy football, fans became more impressed and focused on say Dane swan's 40 possessions than the goals he kicked.

 

[ManOfClay]

I remember reading about Ted Hopkins (founder of champion data) and how he found that in the advent of fantasy football, fans became more impressed and focused on say Dane swan's 40 possessions than the goals he kicked.

All about dream team scores. Never mind the value of possessions

 

[ManOfClay]

Cripps is good but the bont is one of the best players in a top four team

 

[Palmer Stoat]

Cripps excellent, but the Bont for me.

 

[ManOfClay]

23 disposals, 10 clearances and a goal. Plus this

 

[Trav 20]

Cripps has gained ground, but I'd still prefer Bontempelli due to his X factor, goal kicking ability and capacity to run through the lines. For these reasons I'd also prefer Treloar and Dylan Shiel types over Cripps. That said, Cripps' ability to get 'first touch' around the stoppages is insane.

A better poll would be Cripps versus Wines.

 

[Adam H]

23 disposals, 10 clearances and a goal. Plus this

What a missed kick?

 

[Monkey King]

23 disposals, 10 clearances and a goal. Plus this

Cripps 30 disposals, 9 Clearances (5 centre clearances) and a goal assist.

Just saying

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Different players really. They are both amazing.

Cripps will be better though

 

[Adam H]

Different players really. They are both amazing.

Cripps will be better though

Yeah Cripps is doing it on his own at the moment while Bont is part of a full strength side.