Marcus Bontempelli Vs Patrick Cripps

[Lethality]

Good comparison, I am going with Cripps who is going from strength to strength while Bontempelli has plateaued a bit.

Patrick Cripps: 23.4 disposals, 13.9 contested, 5 tackles, 0.3 goals, 0.6 goal assists, 79.3% TOG, 2.4 inside 50s, 6.7 clearances, 69% DE

Bontempelli: 20.6 disposals, 10.2 contested, 5.5 tackles,0.8 goals, 0.6 goal assists, 84% TOG, 4.8 inside 50s, 4.7 clearances, 70% DE

 

[Bulldocker]

Bontempelli without question. Cripps still of the highest order though.
Bont marshalling a midfield with Stringer, McRae, Hunter, Wallis and Libba. Holy crap - good luck any team taking that lot on by 2017.

 

[King Bont]

Good comparison, I am going with Cripps who is going from strength to strength while Bontempelli has plateaued a bit.

Patrick Cripps: 23.4 disposals, 13.9 contested, 5 tackles, 0.3 goals, 0.6 goal assists, 79.3% TOG, 2.4 inside 50s, 6.7 clearances, 69% DE

Bontempelli: 20.6 disposals, 10.2 contested, 5.5 tackles,0.8 goals, 0.6 goal assists, 84% TOG, 4.8 inside 50s, 4.7 clearances, 70% DE

Lol

 

[Mofra]

Cripps is good and is the type you build a midfield around - but Bonti can BOG with 20 touches.
Bonti's 8 months younger too and can go forward to break tags - goal kicking mids are gold

 

[timtamWB]

Anybody who is looking at stats to compare these two players has absolutely no idea.

 

[Zgope1]

yeah the simplified who can get the ball more if they try thing is exhausting. Not the aim of the game.

When it comes to turning sticky situations into brilliant ones that break the play up, Bont is better for a variety of reasons. 1. He's better by hand (yes, Cripps is good by hand). 2. He's better by foot and has a raking accurate kick. Very good right too. 3. He can run away/through congestion.

There's no need not to believe Cripps won't be the best extractor in the AFL, but being a top 20 ranked afl player, 2 years younger than anyone before, there's little reason to believe Bont won't be the best mid in the game.

Extremely good prospects with lots of similarities, but one has many a more string to his bow

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Lol "better by hand" yep.

 

[Zgope1]

Lol "better by hand" yep.

bloke's got 360 degree vision, both hands, and so often uses such a threat to run away from congestion

 

[FlowersByIrene]

bloke's got 360 degree vision, both hands, and so often uses such a threat to run away from congestion

Its like youre quoting from Cripp's under 18 draft write up - which he has since taken to the next level.

Cripps is the best by hand IN THE AFL.

 

[Zgope1]

Its like youre quoting from Cripp's under 18 draft write up - which he has since taken to the next level.

Cripps is the best by hand IN THE AFL.

Cripps is brilliant by hand.





second to the Bont

 

[Lethality]

Anybody who is looking at stats to compare these two players has absolutely no idea.

They both have some good non-stat attributes; Cripps' mobility and skill is undersold a bit due to his size. Statistical comparisons seem relevant when considering that they seem more or less matched qualitatively, and it seems that Cripps is ahead right now.

 

[timtamWB]

They both have some good non-stat attributes; Cripps' mobility and skill is undersold a bit due to his size. Statistical comparisons seem relevant when considering that they seem more or less matched qualitatively, and it seems that Cripps is ahead right now.

The over-emphasis on stats has become one of the worst things about discussing football. Give me the good old eye test any day.

Else you'll be talking about Matty Boyd when he was gathering 30+ possessions regularly as a better player than Pendlebury. Which is a farce.

 

[Lethality]

The over-emphasis on stats has become one of the worst things about discussing football. Give me the good old eye test any day.

Else you'll be talking about Matty Boyd when he was gathering 30+ possessions regularly as a better player than Pendlebury. Which is a farce.

Only if you were discussing possessions alone, which we are not doing here. I'm sure Pendlebury's statistical range eclipses Matthew Boyd's as well.

 

[timtamWB]

Only if you were discussing possessions alone, which we are not doing here. I'm sure Pendlebury's statistical range eclipses Matthew Boyd's as well.

I doubt it. But I could be wrong.

Either way, all your statistics prove is that Cripps plays more inside. Nothing else whatsoever. What it doesn't show, is what Bontempelli or Cripps actually do with their possessions. Cripps is a gun young player, I'm not disputing that at all. But what the Bont does with his possessions is create, excite, and destroy.

 

[Lethality]

I doubt it. But I could be wrong.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...id1=1611&tid2=8&pid2=210&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S

Either way, all your statistics prove is that Cripps plays more inside. Nothing else whatsoever. What it doesn't show, is what Bontempelli or Cripps actually do with their possessions.

Well goal assists, goals, DE%, inside50s relate to use of possession.

 

[Zgope1]

Only if you were discussing possessions alone, which we are not doing here. I'm sure Pendlebury's statistical range eclipses Matthew Boyd's as well.

that's true, sadly all people point to is a footywire comparison page which are dumb stats. advanced stats have Bont in the top 20 players in the comp. They do support him you just need to look at the good stuff. Sadly we all have to pay for champion data subscriptions which is a pain

 

[Lethality]

that's true, sadly all people point to is a footywire comparison page which are dumb stats. advanced stats have Bont in the top 20 players in the comp.

Footywire contains advanced stats, including the full champion data ranking. You're right that Bontempelli is ahead of Cripps in terms of the Champion Data rankings, but it's only by 4 points.

advanced stats have Bont in the top 20 players in the comp

No, Bontempelli is 47th in Champion Data rankings.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

The over-emphasis on stats has become one of the worst things about discussing football. Give me the good old eye test any day.

Else you'll be talking about Matty Boyd when he was gathering 30+ possessions regularly as a better player than Pendlebury. Which is a farce.

Problem is not everyone watches every second of Cripps' and Bonts' games.

Ive seen just about every Cripps touch, every pirouette, every over the back-look-a-way handpass, every bullocking break away but ive only seen about 80% of Bonts' games.

 

[Zgope1]

Footywire contains advanced stats, including the full champion data ranking. You're right that Bontempelli is ahead of Cripps in terms of the Champion Data rankings, but it's only by 4 points.



No, Bontempelli is 47th in Champion Data rankings.

my reference to Champion Data was not tied to my reference to his place in the AFL top 20. They're the official ratings, and they're even better. Anyone know where to/how to access them?

 

[Zgope1]

Problem is not everyone watches every second of Cripps' and Bonts' games.

Ive seen just about every Cripps touch, every pirouette, every over the back-look-a-way handpass, every bullocking break away but ive only seen about 80% of Bonts' games.

would you agree on this?

Irrespective of who's better overall, if the ball is in dispute, you'd rather Cripps, and if the ball was in hand, you'd rather Bonts. I think it's a testament to both that neither are weak in the area i have them losing- in fact both are quite good

 

[Lethality]

my reference to Champion Data was not tied to my reference to his place in the AFL top 20. They're the official ratings, and they're even better.

Are you referring to AFL Player Ratings? They're just another fantasy point rating system, and not very reliable in comparison to Champion Data.

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

Cripps' disposal by hand isn't better than Bontempelli's. On par with the Bont, maybe.

But he lacks the class in other aspects of his game.

Are you referring to AFL Player Ratings? They're just another fantasy point rating system, and not very reliable in comparison to Champion Data.

Uh, the player ratings algorithm was designed by Champion Data.

Regardless, they're a more reliable metric than simply pulling random stats out of your ass.

 

[Lethality]

Uh, the player ratings algorithm was designed by Champion Data.

Whoever they're designed by they're not as reliable as Champion Data's own player ratings.

 

[Zgope1]

Whoever they're designed by they're not as reliable as Champion Data's own player ratings.

why?

 

[timtamWB]

why?

Because it suits his argument.