Is it possible then to receive a free kick in a contest but also get suspended from it?
Might this be the year a 5-8 side wins the flag?
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Is it possible then to receive a free kick in a contest but also get suspended from it?
Agree, but it could be another year where a non top 4 team gets into the prelims.
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It is possible, eg video evidence reviewed later. Do you have a specific example?
Possible but not anymore likely than any other year. Can't see any of those sides winning 2 finals then going to Perth in week 3, winning that, then having enough in the tank to win the GF.
After week 1 there is only two of the 5-8 teams left. Those two remaining teams then have to win away from home to make a PF. Then they have to win away from home playing a team with a weeks rest to make the GF. A huge ask for any team to make a GF from 5th-8th.
Which is why it has never happened. Was hard enough to do under the old final 5 system, let alone now with interstate travel thrown into the mix. Only side to have ever win 4 finals in a row to win a flag was Adelaide in 1997.
I guess the question I'm specifically posing is it possible to correctly (as per the current rule book and interpretation) receive a free kick for having your legs taken out but then get suspended/fined for reckless high contact. I don't think the Walker/McGovern incident exactly qualifies as an example but having arguments on this forum for free kick to walker on one hand verses suspension to walker on the other raises the possibility. Which would go to prove that rule makers and match review panel are at times quite confused as to what is right and wrong on the footy field...
The difference between finishing 4th and 5th is huge. Probably too great but what are the other formats that could make it more equal.
A lot depends on what happens in the WC v Haw QF - the teams that finish 5th and 8th might avoid a trip to Perth altogether if the Hawks beat WC (and Freo beat Syd in the other QF). The winner of 5th v 8th would then travel to Syd in week 2 and if they are good enough to win that they would play Haw in a PF at the MCG. Still a bloody hard run although much less travel.
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If it was just one perth side then maybe,But not both.All goes to plan,Won't have to travel until the GF with a weeks break to boot.Only side to put a spanner in the works is Hawthorn.
Obviously i'd love to see us do it but i think thats a just a bridge to far.Same applies to the other 5-8,s.
Obviously i'd love to see us do it but i think thats a just a bridge to far.Same applies to the other 5-8,s.
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I'd say that the smart money would be on the top 4 being dominant. But the gap between 1-4 and 5-8 is much less this year than is usual. All of 5-8 can beat any of the 1-4. But, I would expect no 5-8 teams in the Granny. The tigers have the best chance of getting a softish draw in terms of travel if all goes right. But even then I just can't see it. Love it to happen though 
Expect to see Hawks Eagles GF. But wouldn't be at all surprise to see Swans Freo. Is that a fence I am sitting on???
Wide open this year compared to usual.
Expect to see Hawks Eagles GF. But wouldn't be at all surprise to see Swans Freo. Is that a fence I am sitting on???
Wide open this year compared to usual.
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Said exactly what I was thinking. Everyone states unequivocally that the Grand Final winners come from the top 4 so therefore the H&A season is fine, however you could just as easily argue that the H&A system is flawed, produces flawed top 4's and that the advantage of finishing top 4 is what is getting these teams a winning Grand Final appearance.
What has never happened?
The following: "After week 1 there is only two of thfe 5-8 teams left. Those two remaining teams then have to win away from home to make a PF. Then they have to win away from home playing a team with a weeks rest to make the GF. A huge ask for any team to make a GF from 5th-8th." has indeed happened ... the Crows did exactly this in 1998 when they finished 5th ... they were still in it after week 1, then had to win away to make the PF, then had to win the PF away to make the GF.
Yes, but in a fundamentally different finals system to the one now. I think that the likelihood has diminished massively since then.
Not that fundamentally different ... the only difference was in week 1. These days 5th plays at home against 8th in an elimination game. Then 5th played away against 4th in a game wherein a loss could result in elimination but was unlikely to. Swings and roundabouts. After week 1 the finals structure is essentially the same as it was back then.
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Regarding the OP, answer is no
Tigers ZERO finals credentials
Dogs lack the defence
Crows don't travel well enough
North aren't good enough
Tigers ZERO finals credentials
Dogs lack the defence
Crows don't travel well enough
North aren't good enough
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I'd say it's still incredibly unlikely, the finals system is so heavily geared to favour the top 4.
Having said that, this is about as weak a top 4 as I've seen in a long time.
Having said that, this is about as weak a top 4 as I've seen in a long time.
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Dogs have the second best record against top 8 teams, behind hawthorn. Just sayin......................
Flogged the first time against Freo- Flogged against Hawks, 10 points against WCE (at home) and less than 20 points against Sydney.
You've beaten the top 2, but results haven't been convincing.
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So then we're the only ones to have beaten the top 2?
We've also beaten Richmond.
Srtrange statement as, tbh, while the gap exists, it is as small as I can remember it and, as a Tiger supporter, I would feel more comfortable facing Sydney then any of the teams in the bottom half.
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I'd say the Tigers would be the team to do it but I break it down, nahhhh.
Win elimination final.
Play either Freo or Swans
Then either Hawks or Eagles.
Then play either ???
Could also mean two successive away trips if the eagles beat Hawthorn. If the Hawks win well then they'd be in Melbourne for the last two weekends instead of 1.
Melbourne
Perth/Sydney
Perth/Melbourne
Melbourne
Too many games, too many good teams with an extra week to rest unless another team from outside the 4 gets there. Too big a task. But Richmond would have the best shot imo.
Richmond vs Kangas
Richmond vs Freo or Sydney
Richmond vs Hawks or WCE
Richmond vs Freo or Swans you'd think
Whatever way you look at it, too big a hurdle for anyone outside the 4 no matter how things pan out, last round of the season included.
Win elimination final.
Play either Freo or Swans
Then either Hawks or Eagles.
Then play either ???
Could also mean two successive away trips if the eagles beat Hawthorn. If the Hawks win well then they'd be in Melbourne for the last two weekends instead of 1.
Melbourne
Perth/Sydney
Perth/Melbourne
Melbourne
Too many games, too many good teams with an extra week to rest unless another team from outside the 4 gets there. Too big a task. But Richmond would have the best shot imo.
Richmond vs Kangas
Richmond vs Freo or Sydney
Richmond vs Hawks or WCE
Richmond vs Freo or Swans you'd think
Whatever way you look at it, too big a hurdle for anyone outside the 4 no matter how things pan out, last round of the season included.
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Yes but in week 1 there is actually a huge difference. If the format was like it is now, the Crows would have been gone. There was more margin for error back then, you didn't have to win 4 finals. Like Blues in 99 got poleaxed by the Lions in week 1, 13 goals whatever it was, yet still were allowed to play on and made the grand final. Winning 4 finals obviously is a massive ask and has only been done once by you guys the year before. Not that you didn't deserve it, but you certainly had some luck along the way with the Colbert mark not being paid and the Grant smothered shot in the prelim. Even in 98 you got spanked first up then beat the Roos when they should have been out of sight by half time kicking 6.15 to 4.3. Many teams have won on luck I get that.
Too much needs to go right and things have changed in the format of the system. Doesn't mean it won't happen again, highly unlikely though.
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