If going by AA selections, Scott West is underrated or overrepresented
Dean Kemp has 1 selection, but he's better than Scott West
Dean Kemp has 1 selection, but he's better than Scott West
Most All-Australian selections
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Agree, in general, some fairly ordinary players being over-lauded there, but ... Enright & Pendelbury - once-in-a-generation players. Brad Johnson - 0 prems, Paul Roos - 0 prems ... for example. There's something to be said for getting the ultimate job done. Corey - critical input to 3 flags and Pendelbury could've/would've claimed more if not shackled by average Pies team.
Wrong, Hutchison was AA twice - 1953 & 1956.
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1. AFL All-Australian Teams of the Year ie 1991 onward
8 Gary Ablett Jnr 2007,08,09,10,11,12,13,14
8 Lance Franklin 2008,10,11,12,14,16,17,18
8 Robert Harvey 1992,94,95,96,97,98,99,03
8 Mark Ricciutto 1994,97,98,2000,02,03,04,05
7 Nathan Buckley 1996,97,98,99,2000,01,03
7 Wayne Carey... 1993,94,95,96,98,99,00
6 Ben Cousins, Dean Cox, Patrick Dangerfield, Carey Enright, Brad Johnson, Chris Judd, Matthew Pavlich, Mathew Scarlett
2. VFL Teams of the Year were 1982-1990
3. Carnival All-Australian teams 1953-1979 / National All-Australian teams 1980-88 based on State of Origin games although 1988 was a proper carnival in the preseason.
Most by combo of above 3
10 Craig Bradley....... 3) 1983,84,85,86 + 2) 1986,88 + 1) 1993,94,95,97
10 Stephen Kernahan 3) 1984,85,86,88 + 2) 1987,88,89,90 + 1) 1992,94
10 John Platten........ 3) 1984,85,86,87,88 + 2) 1986,87,88,89 + 1) 1992
9 Garry Ablett Snr.... 3) 1984 + 2) 1984,86,89,90 + 1) 1992,93,94,95
9 Simon Madden...... 3) 1983,84,87,88 + 2) 1983,87,88,89,90
9 Paul Roos............. 3) 1985,87,88 + 2) 1986,87 + 1) 1991,92,96,97
8 Terry Daniher....... 3) 1983,84,88 + 2) 1983,84,85,86,89
8 Gerard Healy........ 3) 1984,86,87,88 + 2) 1982,86,87,88
8 Greg Williams....... 3) 1986,87 + 2) 1986,87,88,89 + 1) 1993,94
7 Stephen Silvangni.. 2) 1988,90 + 1) 1994,95,96,97,99
6 Tony Lockett......... 2) 1987 + 1) 1991,92,95,96,98
6 Dale Weightman.... 3) 1985,86,88 + 2) 1986,87,88
8 Gary Ablett Jnr 2007,08,09,10,11,12,13,14
8 Lance Franklin 2008,10,11,12,14,16,17,18
8 Robert Harvey 1992,94,95,96,97,98,99,03
8 Mark Ricciutto 1994,97,98,2000,02,03,04,05
7 Nathan Buckley 1996,97,98,99,2000,01,03
7 Wayne Carey... 1993,94,95,96,98,99,00
6 Ben Cousins, Dean Cox, Patrick Dangerfield, Carey Enright, Brad Johnson, Chris Judd, Matthew Pavlich, Mathew Scarlett
2. VFL Teams of the Year were 1982-1990
3. Carnival All-Australian teams 1953-1979 / National All-Australian teams 1980-88 based on State of Origin games although 1988 was a proper carnival in the preseason.
Most by combo of above 3
10 Craig Bradley....... 3) 1983,84,85,86 + 2) 1986,88 + 1) 1993,94,95,97
10 Stephen Kernahan 3) 1984,85,86,88 + 2) 1987,88,89,90 + 1) 1992,94
10 John Platten........ 3) 1984,85,86,87,88 + 2) 1986,87,88,89 + 1) 1992
9 Garry Ablett Snr.... 3) 1984 + 2) 1984,86,89,90 + 1) 1992,93,94,95
9 Simon Madden...... 3) 1983,84,87,88 + 2) 1983,87,88,89,90
9 Paul Roos............. 3) 1985,87,88 + 2) 1986,87 + 1) 1991,92,96,97
8 Terry Daniher....... 3) 1983,84,88 + 2) 1983,84,85,86,89
8 Gerard Healy........ 3) 1984,86,87,88 + 2) 1982,86,87,88
8 Greg Williams....... 3) 1986,87 + 2) 1986,87,88,89 + 1) 1993,94
7 Stephen Silvangni.. 2) 1988,90 + 1) 1994,95,96,97,99
6 Tony Lockett......... 2) 1987 + 1) 1991,92,95,96,98
6 Dale Weightman.... 3) 1985,86,88 + 2) 1986,87,88
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Absolutely Meaningless award I'm afraid....Especially once Hero head Healy was put in charge.
in my opinion that list is nonsense. The qualities of such players as Bradley, Kernahan and Platten were quite obvious during their careers.
They don't need their list of honours and career achievements topped up by false claims.
There is only one AA team chosen in the years when such teams are chosen,
so the list having multiple entries for the same year is not a good look.
Besides the source you appear to use [presumably AFL Season Guide] is one that cannot be trusted, there being a number of players either missing from your "combined list" or have wrong totals shown.
Under the auspices of the ANFC or later variant like the NFL, and specifically identified as such,
a total of 14 official All Australian teams were chosen:
one each series after interstate carnivals held in 1953 - 56 - 58 - 61 - 66 - 69 - 72 - 79 - 80 - 88 [1980 was a Carnival year, not national]
and one each series after a range of interstate matches in 1983 - 85 - 86 - 87.
There was NOT an AA team chosen in 1984.
Under the auspices of the AFL, and specifically identified as such,
a total of 28 official All Australian teams have been chosen:
one each year from 1991 to 2018.
Proof that the AFL decided to introduce an AA team under its auspices in 1991 and not earlier,
can be found here in the editorial on page 3 of the AFL Record 16/18 August 1991: http://handle.slv.vic.gov.au/10381/129699
VFL/AFL Teams of the Year were chosen under the auspices of either the VFL or the AFL, apparently a total of 8 times
in the following years: 1982 - 83 - 84 - 86 - 87 - 88 - 89 - 90. Note: no team chosen in 1985, why not I wonder ?
By the way, if you were so keen to add those "state" TOY's to inflate player records,
why didn't you add the TOY's from other competitions as well ?
RussellEbertHandball
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Because I took the list on page 649 of the 2019 AFL Record Season Guide and tried to make some sense of it given the list is of "All Australians" selected since 1953 and listed between pages 645-648.
It is stupid to say players have X number of All Australians - as published in the AFL's official stats book - and not acknowledge that some players have double countings in their totals, totals acknowledged by the games official statisticians.
I'm not sure what your point is. The question was asked - yes a while back - who has won the most All Australians, and the AFL has accepted several categories as definitions of All Australian. Is it perfect? No. But its better to set out the totals split by different categories than just accept a number.
Then what is the team listed on page 646 under 1984 National All Australian teams??
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You named it mate
