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Fancy

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Apr 13, 2011
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Fancy Pants Lives
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Deccan18


Your delusions of grandeur are only exceeded by your obvious shallow and inept understanding of the law.

You appear to sing to the chorus that players should not be exempted from criminal charges just because it happens on a footy field but at same time state that such players should not have any legal rights as it is a game of footy not a court of law.

Here is some legal terms for you to read up on. "Due Process", "Separation of Power", "Natural Justice". Once you have read them and understand them come back and have your say.

You will understand that once a case is polluted and natural justice cannot be served the case cannot proceed.

The law affords more protection to the accused than the offended that is the fact. Do not blame me for that I live by those same rules as do you. The accused is afforded those rights as one is innocent until proven guilty. Where there is doubt the ruling must be in the accused favor.

If the tribunal decreed that due process had not been followed then simply the only finding is that natural justice cannot be served or seen to be served. Your anger or discontent should be directed at WFL as they are the ones who failed to follow due process (by my reading of WMT todays issue)

Again for your sake, just as a player is not exempted from the law on a footy field he is not denied his legal rights either just because it occurred on a footy field. Be smart enough to realise where fault lies and don't let your emotion rule your brain or whatever else you are currently thinking with!





The article has many many holes in it.....not worth rebutting narcissism but here is the abridged version.
Yes the player had his phone of for a few days....errr, he had facial fractures....makes it hard to talk, needs to be seeing Doctors etc etc....surely they could work that out?

To say your not making accusations but accuse people of bias and nepotism is churlish at best. Nearly everyone involved at commission level has been involved at one club or another. Using this type of stuff to question people’s integrity is ridiculous and dangerous for the leagues long term viability. It was only last year that Smith was accused of being in the pocket of Horsham allowing them to continue getting extra umpiring resources at the city oval. Horsham had accused several senior umpires of being biased against them (cheating) and Smith stood those umpires down from Horsham games. Horsham will only support an individual commissioner while they are acting in the best interest of Horsham. If they don’t .....look out, probably easier to step down from the commission if you don’t have the stomach for it!

It was the Horsham’s inability or unwillingness to argue that their player was innocent that led him to being found guilty. Having your entire case revolve around technicalities was ridiculous because the VCFL can make it’s own rules as it goes along to make sure a case is heard. It was the advocate that let Burke down.
Gavin Simmons, if you had of argued the facts at the first WFL hearing then most probably Burke would have been found not guilty. To clever by half as they say.

Yeah, Ted McCabe is a solicitor....big deal. He has been the investigating officer for a long time now and Horsham never gave two hoots until they thought they could use it to their advantage. Apparently Ted being in that role is your ‘biggest beef’.
Going through the media instead of through the presidents and sec meeting is a disgrace, an absolute disgrace.
 

Go Carlton

Draftee
Oct 9, 2008
3
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Nhill
AFL Club
Collingwood
The article has many many holes in it.....not worth rebutting narcissism but here is the abridged version.
Yes the player had his phone of for a few days....errr, he had facial fractures....makes it hard to talk, needs to be seeing Doctors etc etc....surely they could work that out?

To say your not making accusations but accuse people of bias and nepotism is churlish at best. Nearly everyone involved at commission level has been involved at one club or another. Using this type of stuff to question people’s integrity is ridiculous and dangerous for the leagues long term viability. It was only last year that Smith was accused of being in the pocket of Horsham allowing them to continue getting extra umpiring resources at the city oval. Horsham had accused several senior umpires of being biased against them (cheating) and Smith stood those umpires down from Horsham games. Horsham will only support an individual commissioner while they are acting in the best interest of Horsham. If they don’t .....look out, probably easier to step down from the commission if you don’t have the stomach for it!

It was the Horsham’s inability or unwillingness to argue that their player was innocent that led him to being found guilty. Having your entire case revolve around technicalities was ridiculous because the VCFL can make it’s own rules as it goes along to make sure a case is heard. It was the advocate that let Burke down.
Gavin Simmons, if you had of argued the facts at the first WFL hearing then most probably Burke would have been found not guilty. To clever by half as they say.

Yeah, Ted McCabe is a solicitor....big deal. He has been the investigating officer for a long time now and Horsham never gave two hoots until they thought they could use it to their advantage. Apparently Ted being in that role is your ‘biggest beef’.
Going through the media instead of through the presidents and sec meeting is a disgrace, an absolute disgrace.



Yes, it is a disgrace and your right, at no point have Horsham made an argument that Burke was innocent.
 

Go Carlton

Draftee
Oct 9, 2008
3
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Nhill
AFL Club
Collingwood
I could name at least 6 if not as many as 10 ex-umpires who walked out of WFUA cause they were such an in group and did not welcome newcomers unless you were the offspring of a current umpire.

For many of the current umpires there WFUA pay pcket has been factored into their lifesyles. They preferred to do 2 x Saturday games and even back up for a Sunday game as it was all tax free money for them. 3 games for the weekend plus travel, you are looking at quite a nice little loot.

Under those circumstances why go out and recruit new umpires as they are only going to do you out of money!

The WFL have to take over, they have no choice. The current batch will simply die on the football field before they give up their WFUA booty.


Gavin Simmons.....you said Smith had to take over and he did.
 

Slenko

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Sep 9, 2008
256
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Victoria
AFL Club
Essendon
Gavin Simmons.....you said Smith had to take over and he did.

That was actually me that posted that and it actually said the WFL had to take over and I have consistently maintained that.

The WFUA had become a power unto itself. The WFL umpires will continue to grow and given it was their first year my opinion is they were not that bad, except for 1 or at most 2.
 

Fancy

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Apr 13, 2011
184
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Fancy Pants Lives
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GWS
Deccan18


Your delusions of grandeur are only exceeded by your obvious shallow and inept understanding of the law.

You appear to sing to the chorus that players should not be exempted from criminal charges just because it happens on a footy field but at same time state that such players should not have any legal rights as it is a game of footy not a court of law.

Here is some legal terms for you to read up on. "Due Process", "Separation of Power", "Natural Justice". Once you have read them and understand them come back and have your say.

You will understand that once a case is polluted and natural justice cannot be served the case cannot proceed.

The law affords more protection to the accused than the offended that is the fact. Do not blame me for that I live by those same rules as do you. The accused is afforded those rights as one is innocent until proven guilty. Where there is doubt the ruling must be in the accused favor.

If the tribunal decreed that due process had not been followed then simply the only finding is that natural justice cannot be served or seen to be served. Your anger or discontent should be directed at WFL as they are the ones who failed to follow due process (by my reading of WMT todays issue)

Again for your sake, just as a player is not exempted from the law on a footy field he is not denied his legal rights either just because it occurred on a footy field. Be smart enough to realise where fault lies and don't let your emotion rule your brain or whatever else you are currently thinking with!


When will Jordy be free to play?
 
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