I agree.
Preview NAB Challenge - Carlton v Geelong Sunday 22nd March 4.10PM @ Etihad
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well i'm trying to learn from the best, keep up the standard so to speak. if (when) a bushfire goes thru here (Riddells creek fires came close to my business last fire season, home is outside of Gisborne in bush) i'd like to think someone on here would ask how things are after seeing the well wishers rally around the kinglake marsupial a few years back. that showed that thru all the silliness on here people can still be really great towards others.Ah Vinnie you're funny one
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disagreeI agree.
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Some things I took out of the game:
Menzel - Below par yet still snagged 3 sausage rolls... I would take 3 goals every time from a Menz "bad game".
Cripps - I tipped him to win the NRS a few weeks ago, in the Top 3 thread. Great to see others finally getting on the bandwagon Scary to think how good he will be in a few years time.
Bell - Much better from Bell... less hair-tearing moments and seemed to make better decisions. Avoided holding onto the ball too long which inevitably gets him into trouble. Should play more at HF with only rare stints in the midfield - that way his field kicking/decision-making becomes less of a liability whilst taking advantage of his prowess in front of the big sticks. Reckon he could kick at least 30-40 goals if he plays predominantly forward.
Jaksch - I won't repeat what's already been said but geez LOVE him already!
Judd - Gonna be a BIG year from The Champ!
Simpson and Yarran - Their absence made a massive difference to our run, ball use and link-up play... we looked slow and disjointed in transitioning from defence to attack. Their importance to our structure cannot be overstated.
Byrne - WOW! He looked a bit of a spud in NAB 1 against the Eagles but he has gotten better and better with each game. He is obviously a quick learner. I can see why Harks is such a big fan. Looks very promising and wouldn't surprise if he turns out to be the best of our Irish lads.
Menzel - Below par yet still snagged 3 sausage rolls... I would take 3 goals every time from a Menz "bad game".
Cripps - I tipped him to win the NRS a few weeks ago, in the Top 3 thread. Great to see others finally getting on the bandwagon
Scary to think how good he will be in a few years time.Bell - Much better from Bell... less hair-tearing moments and seemed to make better decisions. Avoided holding onto the ball too long which inevitably gets him into trouble. Should play more at HF with only rare stints in the midfield - that way his field kicking/decision-making becomes less of a liability whilst taking advantage of his prowess in front of the big sticks. Reckon he could kick at least 30-40 goals if he plays predominantly forward.
Jaksch - I won't repeat what's already been said but geez LOVE him already!
Judd - Gonna be a BIG year from The Champ!
Simpson and Yarran - Their absence made a massive difference to our run, ball use and link-up play... we looked slow and disjointed in transitioning from defence to attack. Their importance to our structure cannot be overstated.
Byrne - WOW! He looked a bit of a spud in NAB 1 against the Eagles but he has gotten better and better with each game. He is obviously a quick learner. I can see why Harks is such a big fan. Looks very promising and wouldn't surprise if he turns out to be the best of our Irish lads.
Fair call on Menz. If he plays 22 below par games as a half forward and kicks 66 goals, I suppose we'd take it.
Same with Liam Jones. We would take 2 goals from him every day of the week (ie. 44 goals for the year). I think he is going to be a real project of MM this year in getting him into the games. He looks really dangerous, but the goal needs to be how can we make him dangerous for longer.
I have been really impressed with Carrazzo during the pre season and I was expecting him to probably be winding down this year. Looks like hes got other ideas.
There has been enough from our veterans as well as our young'uns to suggest we are heading in the right direction and are going to see contribution from all levels this year.
I have been really impressed with Carrazzo during the pre season and I was expecting him to probably be winding down this year. Looks like hes got other ideas.
There has been enough from our veterans as well as our young'uns to suggest we are heading in the right direction and are going to see contribution from all levels this year.
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Loving these assessments from far and wide. 
Just dont mention cracking.
Be interesting to see if Mick goes with Carrots AND Curnow.
Mick didn’t use taggers at all at Coll when they were at their prime.
Whether he goes with two taggers now will likely reflect how he views this side, that is whether they have enough quality and discipline to play more attacking footy, or whether the list is still not quite ready and has to be conservative.
Mick didn’t use taggers at all at Coll when they were at their prime.
Whether he goes with two taggers now will likely reflect how he views this side, that is whether they have enough quality and discipline to play more attacking footy, or whether the list is still not quite ready and has to be conservative.
Byrne's agility is exceptional. Very good mover.
And seems to have a very quick 'sports' brain. By that I mean he made many blunders in the other NAB Cup game but as others have said has improved rapidly. This tells me he is a natural sports person generally, and can learn and adapt quickly.
He's only 21 which is a bonus. In a couple years he could be a beauty.
And seems to have a very quick 'sports' brain. By that I mean he made many blunders in the other NAB Cup game but as others have said has improved rapidly. This tells me he is a natural sports person generally, and can learn and adapt quickly.
He's only 21 which is a bonus. In a couple years he could be a beauty.
I still think Bell is under appreciated.
His ability to run to contests and then once he gets it his ability to run with the ball makes him a unique player on our list.
I actually think he is a bit of a stand out on our list who hopefully will continue to improve and limit the errors.
His ability to run to contests and then once he gets it his ability to run with the ball makes him a unique player on our list.
I actually think he is a bit of a stand out on our list who hopefully will continue to improve and limit the errors.
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Probably worth also considering that he has played AFL football for only 1 year. He started last year in the VFL development squad, but was quickly escalated to the senior VFL team, and at various stages of the season was really fighting with Sheehan for a senior AFL position. Unfortunately it seemed as the long season wore on, his fitness base couldnt keep his agility at the levels we are seeing right now, and Gus got the call up instead.
All the Irish guys could form our defensive Mosquito fleet.
Bell and Curnow, for what they may lack in polish with disposal, they can run all day. Not only that, they can do it with muscle. Their job is to know their limitations and use their attribues to their advantage. Get to the contests. Stop opposition player getting it. Block when we have it. Handball off if you get it. Get to the next contest. Thats it.
Very rare is a player who ticks all the boxes ie. does all things well. Judd cant mark above his head, nor can he kick 50. Doesnt stop him being a champ. He knows what his attributes are and he does them at an elite level.
Very rare is a player who ticks all the boxes ie. does all things well. Judd cant mark above his head, nor can he kick 50. Doesnt stop him being a champ. He knows what his attributes are and he does them at an elite level.
I think you're barking up the wrong tree. Carrazzo and Curnow are first and foremost midfielders. They've been allocated tagging roles in the past but their ball-winning ability far exceeds specialist negators Aaron Joseph & Marcus Davies.
We have few players that can regularly accumulate 25-30 possessions. That they're among the strongest tacklers in the club should see them picked every week.
Sorry I cannot agree with this.
Curnow, as much as I appreciate and rate highly his tagging, tackling, not to mention the effort on the track (and likely off it) that sets an exemplary example to his team mates, ultimately he is a below par user of the football and I am strongly of the view he is only in the side because of his defensive traits. Yes he can get it more than Davies and AJ (to be frank I wouldn't even dare mention their names alongside his), but his usage is well below par.
Carrazzo's usage is also (still) below par, we saw this again last weekend, but Carrotts racks em up more than Curnow. Carrots arguably could be picked purely for his ball winning ability. Curnow I just cannot see being picked if he didn't bring his tagging/defensive game.
Curnow also lacks quick speed off the mark. He can run all day but he is not quick and Carrazzo is much quicker over a short, immediate distance. I don't have recorded times in front of me , this is just a personal observation.
Will Curnow develop into as good a player as Carrazzo in time? It is possible. But right now Carrazzo has more strings to his bow and more runs on the board albeit not in the last couple years due to injury.
But as signposted earlier I do acknowledge the intangible value Curnow brings. When he played on despite having a broken leg, that was inspiring to say the least.
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No way is Carrazzo quicker than Curnow!
Curnow was the only one who got near Cockatoo when he took a run down the middle. His pace is pretty underrated.
Curnow was the only one who got near Cockatoo when he took a run down the middle. His pace is pretty underrated.
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As often as it occurs the only people that are going to make him stop it is the players that are tackling him. His neck will get arthritis at an early age if not heavy concussions should result in us making him earn every single * he attempts. If it starting hurting he'd havevto stop doing it.
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Bell is under rated atm.
I thought he was (next to Judd) BOG for us against Geelong -by a long way second and third efforts are a regular feature of his game now - has a massive tank. Clanger ratio has significantly decreased and he regularly puts himself in a position to kick an assisted goal or kick to the goal square from outside fifty.
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Several beautiful kicks into the forward line. Couple of miskicks... grubbers. But he's starting to look up and take the best option.
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Who is Peter Hudson?
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http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/history/team-of-the-century
PETER HUDSON
No. 26
Position: Full forward
Career: 1967-74, 1977
Games: 129. Goals: 727
Premierships: 1971. Night premierships: 1967, 68, 77. Finals appearances: 5.
Awards: Eight-time interstate representative; 1969 All Australian; six-time leading goalkicker; 1968, 70 Club Champion.
Arguably the greatest ever full-forward with an incredible average of 5.59 goals per game. The average exceeds any other player in VFL/AFL history. He kicked over 100 goals in a season on four consecutive occasions and in 1971 equalled Bob Pratt’s record of 150 goals in a season. A serious knee injury in the opening round of 1972 threatened to end his career prematurely, but although it took him five years he returned to football in 1977.
Hudson’s strength was his freakish ability to read the play. His biggest tally in the VFL was 16 goals, but he is perhaps remembered more for his heroic efforts against Collingwood in 1973. Despite being rushed back from injury, and arriving at the ground in a helicopter, he kicked an impressive eight goals for the match. The awe in which supporters held him was shown by the sign outside a church that read: ‘What would you do if Jesus Christ came to Hawthorn? Move Peter Hudson to centre-half-forward!’
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could play a bit
I know who Huddo is - he is the father of that young commentator guy on Fox Footy?
Actually I was taking the P155 out of Thy!!
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looks a bit colemanesque.
A knee injury killed their career, whereas now it would be a few weeks off to a year.
I think I recall reading that colemans injury could have been treated in 6 weeks.
